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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:48 PM
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Newt Gingrich wants World War III for political reasons
Let's face it, it's WWIII, Gingrich says

By David Postman
Seattle Times chief political reporter

Former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich says America is in World War III and President Bush should say so.

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"We need to have the militancy that says 'We're not going to lose a city, " Gingrich said.

Gingrich said in the coming days he plans to speak out publicly and to the administration from his seat on the Defense Policy Board about the need to recognize that America is in World War III.

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There is a political element to his talk of World War III. Gingrich said that public opinion can change "the minute you use the language" of World War III. The message then, he said, is, "OK, if we're in the third world war, which side do you think should win?"

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http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=postman16m&date=20060716
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:50 PM
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1. What a giant bag of ass this man is
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DFLer4edu Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:52 PM
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2. No comment
I'm beyond right now
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:52 PM
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3. "OK, if we're in the third world war, which side do you think should win?"
Not the side that went out of its' way to start it. The NeoConvicts can not win WWIII. I do not want to live in their world.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:52 PM
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4. Newt's family ain't going anywhere near any fighting and he...
don't care how many working class people's kids die, if it means the GOP can stay in control of the country.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:19 PM
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14. Not to mention how much this "war" Bankrupts the nation, Ask Newtie
if maybe it is time to raise taxes on the rich to "fight" this war.
Newt? Newt? Bueller? Bueller?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:25 PM
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17. Newt thinks another tax cut would fix everything!
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 03:26 PM by Hubert Flottz
Like the last 4 that he wanted fixed things!

People like Newt should be deported!

Edit...Deported to a combat zone!
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:53 PM
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5. Wrong again, Salamander....
...this is WW IV. I don't have time to explain it to you, moron.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:54 PM
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6. This neo-con pseudo-intellectual wants to be president.
What a war-mongering ass.
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CAG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:56 PM
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7. More from this jesusless repub...

"Gingrich said he is "very worried" about Republicans facing fall elections and says the party must have the "nerve" to nationalize the elections and make the 2006 campaigns about a liberal Democratic agenda rather than about President Bush's record.

Republicans are now "sailing into the wind" in congressional campaigns. He said, in part, that's because of the Iraq war, adding, "Iraq is hard and painful, and we do not explain it very well." But some of it is due to Republicans' congressional agenda. He said House and Senate Republicans "forgot the core principle" of the party and embraced congressional pork. "Some of the guys," he said, have come down with a case of "incumbentitis.""

Yeah, Newt, they need to go back to their core principles of sending several more hundreds of thousands of our nations poor and lower-middle class young men and women to kill more of them there brownies over there. Thats the way to win elections, daggummitt.

And which political group did Coultergeist call "Godless"?? I'm so confused. Maybe we could call all of these chickenhawks "Gutless", since they never fight their own battles.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:56 PM
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8. The idea that Newt Gingrich has any political capital is laughable
I don't need to go over all the personal and political reasons that he is a complete failure as a human being, but what really infuriates me is when a guy like Joe Biden, who like it or not is a leading figure in our party, goes on a show like Meet The Press only to be treated as a subequal character to Newt. What the hell does that accomplish?

How's that "Contract For America" and the Balanced Budget Amendment working out?

Newt Gingrich deserves his special place in infamy, and the fact that the corporate media machine and Joe Biden give him any recognition whatsoever is a joke.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:58 PM
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9. War is their key to power
Dictatorships start wars because they need external enemies to exert internal control over their own people. Richard Perle (another member of the Defense Advisory Board)
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:00 PM
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10. Well, I Guess We Have Our 'October Surprise'
Shades of the fall of 2002.

Former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich says America is in World War III and President Bush should say so. In an interview in Bellevue this morning Gingrich said Bush should call a joint session of Congress the first week of September and talk about global military conflicts in much starker terms than have been heard from the president.

"We need to have the militancy that says 'We're not going to lose a city,' " Gingrich said. He talks about the need to recognize World War III as important for military strategy and political strategy.

Gingrich said he is "very worried" about Republican's facing fall elections and says the party must have the "nerve" to nationalize the elections and make the 2006 campaigns about a liberal Democratic agenda rather than about President Bush's record.


Good to see the Reich-wing has the best interests of the nation at heart.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:02 PM
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11. "OK, if we're in the third world war, which side do you think should win?"
that's a mighty big IF there, you smarmy partisan hack
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:02 PM
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12. FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY!
Until the ignoble and unhappy regime
Which holds all of us through,
Child-abuse, yeah, child-abuse yeah,
Sub-human bondage has been toppled,
Utterly destroyed,
Everywhere is war.





Until the philosophy,
Which holds one race superior
And another inferior,
Is finally and permanently
Discredited and abandoned,
Everywhere is war.

WAR

Until there is no longer first class
Or second class citizens of any nation.
Until the color of a man's skin,
Is of no more significance than
The color of his eyes,
I've got to say "war".

WAR

That until the basic human rights,
Are equally guaranteed to all,
Without regard to race,
I'll say "war"

Until that day the dream of lasting peace,
World-citizenship and the rule of
International morality will remain
Just a fleeting illusion to be pursued,
But never obtained.
And everywhere is war.

Until the ignoble and unhappy regime
Which holds all of us through,
Child-abuse, yeah, child-abuse yeah,
Sub-human bondage has been toppled,
Utterly destroyed,
Everywhere is war.

War in the east,
War in the west,
War up north,
War down south,
There is war,
And the rumors of war.

Until that day,
the african continent will know no peace
There is no continent,
Which will know peace.

Children, children.

Fight!

We find it necessary.
We know we will win.
We have confidence in the victory
Of good over evil
Of good over evil

Fight the real enemy!
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:03 PM
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13. This Explains Why The Reich Propaganda Outets Were Spewing The WWIII Meme
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 03:03 PM by loindelrio
even before the dust from the first attacks settled.

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:22 PM
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15. And he was on with Russert saying the same thing today
It's the Republican echo machine at work.

MR. RUSSERT: ...Mr. Speaker, what are we witnessing in the Middle East?

MR. NEWT GINGRICH: Well, let me, let me offer three observations. First, this is not the fifth day of the war. This is the 58th year of the effort by those who want to destroy Israel. As Ahmadinejad, the head of Iran, says, he wants to defeat the Americans and eliminate Israel from the face of the earth. So we should not see this event in isolation. There is an Iran/Iraq/Syria—I mean, an Iran/Syria—was an Iraq before Saddam was replaced—Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas alliance trying to destroy Israel.

Second, the Israelis withdrew from Gaza to create the circumstance of peace. The Israelis withdrew from south Lebanon to create the circumstance of peace. They now have a thousand missiles fired from Gaza, they’ve had hundreds of missiles fired from south Lebanon. You clearly have Iranian involvement, there are at least 400 Iranian guards in south Lebanon. Apparently it was an Iranian missile fired by Iranians which hit an Israeli warship yesterday. The United States should be saying to Syria and Iran, “South Lebanon is going to be cleared out. We are for Israel and the Lebanese government breaking the back of Hezbollah, getting rid of all 10,000 to 13,000 missiles, and we will decisively stop any effort by Syria and Iran to intervene.”

I mean, this is absolutely a question of the survival of Israel, but it’s also a question of what is really a world war. Look what you’ve been covering: North Korea firing missiles. We say there’ll be consequences, there are none. The North Koreans fire seven missiles on our Fourth of July; bombs going off in Mumbai, India; a war in Afghanistan with sanctuaries in Pakistan. As I said a minute ago, the, the Iran/Syria/Hamas/Hezbollah alliance. A war in Iraq funded largely from Saudi Arabia and supplied largely from Syria and Iran. The British home secretary saying that there are 20 terrorist groups with 1200 terrorists in Britain. Seven people in Miami videotaped pledging allegiance to al-Qaeda, and 18 people in Canada being picked up with twice the explosives that were used in Oklahoma City, with an explicit threat to bomb the Canadian parliament, and saying they’d like to behead the Canadian prime minister. And finally, in New York City, reports that in three different countries people were plotting to destroy the tunnels of New York.

I mean, we, we are in the early stages of what I would describe as the third world war, and frankly, our bureaucracies aren’t responding fast enough, we don’t have the right attitude about this, and this is the 58th year of the war to destroy Israel. And frankly, the Israelis have every right to insist that every single missile leave south Lebanon and that the United States ought to be helping the Lebanese government have the strength to eliminate Hezbollah as a military force, not as a political force in the parliament, but as a military force in south Lebanon.

MR. RUSSERT: This is World War III?

MR. GINGRICH: I, I believe if you take all the countries I just listed, that you’ve been covering, put them on a map, look at all the different connectivity, you’d have to say to yourself this is, in fact, World War III.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13839698/

Notice, too, how much Russert let Gingrich get in in the first answer -- and notice what Gingrich's argument entails. When we start hearing these exact same comments, and defining this in terms of WWIII, then we know that the Republican echo machine that Gingrich is very much still a part of is behind this drum beat.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:24 PM
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16. "We're not going to lose a city"?!??!?!?! Too late!
New Orleans, Newt! You stupid asshole! Did you ever think about that?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:37 PM
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18. WW III = "Our War"
Propaganda. In defining this as 'WW III', this ties in to Bill Kristol's "Our War" editorial from yesterday. Reference to Kristol's "Our War" was mentioned on at least two of the Sunday talk shows today (Meet the Press and The Week).
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:05 PM
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19. Of course! The entire GOP wants war during the electoral seasons...
for political purposes.
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