Did I hear correct on Chris Matthews?

24,000 of the 25,000 in Lebanon hold dual citizenship? Transcript in not online until tomorrow

is supporting this action? What do the Evangelical Right think about this? Or are they too busy being hand-job maidens for Ralph Reed's latest business deal?

Both of the Lebanese people I've worked with were raised as Catholics.

they are classified as christians also.


The Encylopedia of the Orient states that 120000 Apostolic Armenians and 20000 Catholic Armenians live in Lebanon. That number together makes up 140000. ...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians

are Antiochian Orthodox. I grew up assuming Lebanese were Christian. Why don't the RWs or the media know this?

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If it brings on the rapture ...who cares?

tolerate Catholics is the anti-choice agenda; if it weren't for that and the efforts to ban all birth control but for natural family planning, the Catholics would be just another group of heathens, as far as the fundies are concerned.

They are too asorbed with the freakin' "Chosen People" to realize that many Lebanese are Christian. I am Lebanese Amercian, from beirut and sick about this situation.

and I feel so bad this is happening in Beirut, the Lebanese and Armenian people are like cousins. :pals:

than liberals.

Why are they pandering to the right? Ever since this private school issue became a Republican issue, my sister-in-law's Catholic parish has gone very right-wing.

not think of the consequences if Catholic hating idiots are in control of the government. They would have several issues that they would be interested: abortion and private schools to name a few. As to what priests know - I haven't the faintest idea.

They think they are idol worshippers and condemned to hell. They won't have a problem with Israel bombing them.

There are 24,000 of 25,000 Americans that are being evaculated that hold dual citizenship?? With Lebanon? Have I lost my mind, how is this possible?

You are telling me that 24,000 have dual citizenship with Israel and are LIVING in Lebanon? Please don't tell me that they have dual citizenship with Lebanon.

Can we try again..ARE YOU SAYING that there is dual ( NOT DOUBLE) citizenship between USA & Lebanon?????

with Israel? It is true that everyone born of a Jewish mother or a CONVERT TO Judaism is entitled to Israeli citizenship,it is not something that is conferred upon someone upon birth. If an American Jew, or any Jew born outside Israel, wants Israeli citizenship then he/she must take steps to immigrate to Israel and claim that citizenship. Simply being born Jewish in America or anywhere does not make one an Israeli.

give her dual citizenship.

i do remember back in '72? during the yom kippur war, i worked with a man who had dual citizenship. he constantly had his radio on and was waiting to see if he would be called to come and fight.

american jews and israel jews have no similarities except sharing a religion. i have known both. back in the late 60s i dated a few israeli men and they were soooooo different.

Go ahead and start a thread and ask. I'm sure someone will provide you with links, which is something I don't have with me.

Here's a list of those who helped the Likud party develop the white paper "A Clean Break."

Richard Perle
James Colbert
Charles Fairbanks, Jr.
Douglas Feith
Robert Loewenberg
David Wurmser
Meyrav Wurmser

Paul Wolfowitz is well known for his support of the Likud party. Preventative war came to the US from the Likud party through Perle, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Wurmser, Feith, and other dual loyalty Republicans. You can put Tom DeLay in the category of dual loyalty category.

Sure, Israel deserves our support, but if you work in our government you best put America's interests first and Israel's second.

and have worked with the Torie party (I think that's what the conservative party in England is called) on their elections, doesn't mean they are Mexican citizens or citizens of the UK. They are taking the poison that is American Republican politics to the larger world.

in Iraq. I guess you could call it a proof of concept.

like this really should provide some proof. And just for the record, although there are many Jewish neocons, Israel doesn't factor big in the neocon philosophy.

philosophy. Where did it come from? What are its chief tenets?

And oh yeah, please provide the evidence that many neocons have dual citizenship.

a search for the PNAC, Project for a New American Century.

They were originally a small think tank that also operated within the Democratic party, but the Democrats seemed to know how to put their ambitions in check, balance. They won far more power when the Republican party took over, my guess is because their ambitions to put down the Muslim "threat" in the Middle East went hand-in-hand with a White House that saw that control of the oil industry meant control of the Middle East.

As for evidence that many neocons have dual citizenship? Well, do a search on the net and you'll come up with references like this one. Scroll down to the second article:

http://cgi.stanford.edu/group/wais/cgi-bin/index.php?cat=

and control. If Israel got in the way of their goals, these people would not have any problem doing to Israel what has been done to other countries who did not bow down before the interests of the US...think Iraq, Iran (they were fine with the US as long as the shah was in power), Panama (again Noriega was fine as long as he could be controlled by the US). Israel is naive if they think the same could not be done to them.

attained US citizenship, and then returned to Lebanon after the war. I haven't seen any stats on how many of those with dual citizenship fit into this category.

Eastern Rite Roman Catholics.

Many Lebanese are Antiochian Orthodox, too.

is block access so Hizbollah cannot get any more weapons from iran. i am having a hard time justifying it though. too many innocent lives being lost on both sides.

i asked my husband "can't the UN go in and get rid of all terrorist groups"? he said "the UN is useless".

i'm feeling very very sad.

Lebanon. In essence, they are part of Lebanon and hold seats in the Government. If you want to understand what a terrorist is to Dear Leader, just swap the word for COMMUNIST and consider the 1950s and 1960s. Did the British KILL all the IRA? No, they NEGOTIATED / TALKED WITH them. Now they have mostly disarmed.

Terrorists, as Dear Leaders describe them are NOT ALL EVIL. A few are but the masses are destitute and without hope. The more you bomb their infrastructure, the more terrorists you will give to the violent players ranks.

Yes, we must negotiate with ALL waring parties, both in Lebanon and in Israel.

the peace and many of them were killed doing so.

I find the whole thing unfortunate, we have no credibility, we have a useless president, who does nothing.

more than 50%

since then the percentage of Christians has dropped, due to emigration because of political troubles

There's still a large # of Christians there--maybe 20-30%

Muslims...and there was constitution created between them. But ever since the war stopped both religions have reconciled their differences and were living side by side...as in any place in the arab world were arabs are both Christians and Muslims.

basis for the 1943 Mithaq al-Watani (National Pact) that stipulated:
President=Maronite Christian
PM=Sunni Muslim
Spkr of House=Shi'ite Muslim
6:5 ratio Christian:Muslim in Legisl.

Over the years, the demographics clearly showed a Muslim majority (many were Shi'ite in South Lebanon) and yet the lion's share of political and economic power remained in the hands of the minority Maronites...

The Druze--a minority, but quite vocal and dynamic played a key role in calling for reforming the system...

It all came to a head in the 1970s as is known...

Of course-- as the French carved Lebanon out of Greater Syria when they were given the Syrian Mandate after WWI....

Hmmm. A state w/ borders created by outside powers...where have we seen that before...wait for it...


Iraq lasted from the 1920s to 1958
Lebanon lasted from 1943 to 1975 and began to regroup only in the 1990s.

Unfortunately--it took a week to bomb the shit out of its infrastructure.

Leila Fawaz' House of Many Mansions is a good work to ready BTW