You do know what this aggression is all about, don't you?

A way to get at Iran. To blow those nuclear power facilities to smithereens via Israel.

Or to possibly goad them into an action that harms Americans in some way and boom, reason for airstrikes.

PNAC has to find a way to get Iran involved, without starting a war directly. This is why the M$M howler monkeys keep saying this is the start of WWIII. Fucking insane times...

orchestrated and have been predicting this for months.
What is sad is so many people get sucked into playing out their roles, on both sides.

hope.

Us for instance, I do not want to sound rude, but if this is not affecting us personally there are alot of people who just do not feel it affects them. I couldn't live in denial while this idiot man is doing so much damage, he is totally deranged. He is no different from a terrorist or any dictator.

PNAC thinks this is the endgame. Their bloodless coup in 2000 took control over the US -- its Mil, corporations, assets, lines of (now almost exhausted) credit, etc. They think this ME conflaguration will, of course, result in their very own dominance of the world.

But they'll fuck it up. Just like Iraq. And that's the GOOD news.

I am hoping. where's the ICC.

http://www.iccnow.org/

I heard they were going to.

Their work is finished here.
They have accomplished much more than even they expected when they started. They needed their "Pearl Harbor" and they got it.

If so, we need to copy that info to have it on hand for reference.

If it's already posted somewhere else, please share it with us.

I'd have a million $$$$!

So many of us have known for so long now the PNAC/Neo-con plan for the Middle East. We have all been talking about it for over a year and theorizing how they were going to start their war with Iran.

The scary thing for me, is that 99% of the time DUers are right on the money and I know that many of us have believed this is going to end up in Nuclear War and terrorist attacks on Americans here and abroad.

I feel sick right now....this is a time where I wish and hope that DUers are 99% wrong...

:puke:

he was in office, but he didn't.

Israeli imposition of regime change on Lebanon and Palestine.
REGIME CHANGE - plain and simple! The rest is just bullshit!
They saw us change regimes in Afganistan and Iraq, and said if US can do it then why can't they!

there are other reasons, but that is 1 big USAcentristic reason.

I wonder why Iran hasn't done anything stupid yet? Maybe they see through this ruse? Syria is scared shitless because the street wants to attack but the leadership knows they'd be fucked if they did. There's no good way out of this for anyone...

They're not even trying to hide the fact, either.

I just wish someone would just call bush a dictator. and bring it out in the open.

about anything outside of their own dam politics & power.

they would do this as a referendum to see what the popular opinion of its citizens are.

Unless I misunderstand you or am missing something.

warfare over how far you go to defend Israel...same as all the other slicing and dicing..to garner a few percentage more votes.

"Oh they wouldn't"....

YES THEY WOULD!

to the Repukes. He targets and flips leaders and a few Dem sheep follow. How he did Texas.

this applies to all groups, which is a really tricky thing. i can't tell you how many times i slipped and painted all of a particular religious or political group with the same broad brush in a fit of anger. i'm sure there's a religious fundamentalist or arch-conservative that isn't in complete lockstep and would make an excellent beer bud for me. i haven't met them yet, and i'd probably prefer a like-minded person's company better, but i keep trying to remind myself: groups are made of individuals.

though yes, i do share your frustration. i wish everyone could go to time out, say sorry, then go share cookies, and take a nap.

jewish people would be forced to choose ... of course not. But a small percentage of Israeli hawks.. and hawks includes people other than those of the faith or cultural background... would be forced to choose. 3%. Or 5% of those constantly voting dem. Not that any one group constantly votes dems. I wasn't saying that either.

Remember.. Rove only wanted 2% to 3% to 6 % of very religious african americans in the northeast.

Facts are that people can be broken down to smaller groups. Every group can. Americans too. And Rove & * WH make policy in order to flip a few % here and a few % there over to the dark side.. with wedge issues.

This small percentage of Dems... who would leave the dem party based on their Israeli hawkishness (I don't think it will work or is working) were identified and targeted by politicians, polls, etc. Same as lots of real people have been.

I'm not saying it will work.

I just think that this is what the War in Iraq is about. One of the many reasons that were not mentioned. After all we know that pretty much all the actions the BUsh WH takes are based on politics and future 30 year empire.. and nothing else.

.....to marshall in the "rapture" and "the end times". Those Born Again Christians want to see the "return of Jesus".

and we'll have a new Krystalnacht right here in America.

Bush will call for "tolerance" while Fox "News" talking heads say, "Well you know, this is all because of Israel..." and then the Synagogues will be burned and stores will be looted and the Christian fundies will be oh, so appalled.

This is how the Repukes plan to usher in the next Holocaust while blaming the victims... it's what Repukes do.

of the Muslims." That's what they always say, isn't it? I can't imagine them blaming Israel for ANYthing.

He said it was going to shit because Bush was seen as too close to Israel to be an honest peace broker.

At first glance, it sounds like blaming Bush... but it's really blaming Israel by extension.

That kind of sounds like he might have been talking about how he was seen by Arab countries, maybe? But I didn't see it, so I can't say for sure.

far as I know anyhow.

America wants iran to do something.

These greedy pigs in our government see $$$$$$. Everyone has a role in this slaughter but, we are right there trying to gain a bigger foothold in the ME. For our government there is only one justified side and its not arab. THIS IS ALL ABOUT LAND AND RESOURCES THAT BELONG TO ARABS imho. Some how we will be fighting in this war because thats what the warmonger neocons want. The whole thing makes me sick.

and the Muslim Fundies are willing to fight to the last Palestinian.

Some believe they are fighting for oil and wealth, others believe they are fighting to usher in The Apocalypse.

All that's going to happen is a lot of people will die for nothing.

But you know, there might be a good side...

If we blow-up the whole Middle East, we will finally have to become Energy Independent!





Baby bomber picture sparks new war of words
By Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem
(Filed: 29/06/2002)

A furious row has erupted between the Israelis and Palestinians over the release by the Israeli army of a startling photograph showing a Palestinian five-month-old child dressed up as a suicide bomber.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/06/29/wmid29.xml

Energy Independent years ago if it weren't for oil.

Those pictures are horrible, what kind of sick mind would think that shit up? Man, we live in quite the world huh?

But then Ronald Ray-Gun... who removed Carter's solar panels from The White House...

Well, we know the rest.

We should be reminding the Repugs about that every chance we get.

just saying.

oh wait! "Israel has to defend herself"!!!!! :puke:

Israel capable of air strike on Iran

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060717-105737-9603r.htm

rescuing Americans. A couple of dead Americans would justify their mission to get at Iran that much better.

a way to get Syria and/or Iran into a fight

A little apprehensive getting on the old(retired?) cruise ship arriving to evacuate at least 750 Americans per trip. I mean, if they are capable of reaching an Isreali warship, why not a cruise ship? Or maybe they don't have to, and didn't. Just a thought. Thanks.
quickesst

or have they gotten together to hatch this plan you speak of?

From their own words, written before bush* was ever installed as POTUS by the SC.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060222&articleId=2032

"Second 9/11": Cheney's "Contingency Plan"

While the "threat" of Iran's alleged WMD is slated for debate at the UN Security Council, Vice President Dick Cheney is reported to have instructed USSTRATCOM to draw up a contingency plan "to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States". This "contingency plan" to attack Iran uses the pretext of a "Second 9/11" which has not yet happened, to prepare for a major military operation against Iran.

The contingency plan, which is characterized by a military build up in anticipation of possible aerial strikes against Iran, is in a "state of readiness".

What is diabolical is that the justification to wage war on Iran rests on Iran's involvement in a terrorist attack on America, which has not yet occurred:

The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing—that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack—but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections. (Philip Giraldi, Attack on Iran: Pre-emptive Nuclear War , The American Conservative, 2 August 2005)

Are we to understand that US military planners are waiting in limbo for a Second 9/11, to launch a military operation directed against Iran, which is currently in a "state of readiness"?

Cheney's proposed "contingency plan" does not focus on preventing a Second 9/11. The Cheney plan is predicated on the presumption that Iran would be behind a Second 9/11 and that punitive bombings would immediately be activated, prior to the conduct of an investigation, much in the same way as the attacks on Afghanistan in October 2001, allegedly in retribution for the role of the Taliban government in support of the 9/11 terrorists. It is worth noting that the bombing and invasion of Afghanistan had been planned well in advance of 9/11. As Michael Keefer points out in an incisive review article:

"At a deeper level, it implies that “9/11-type terrorist attacks” are recognized in Cheney’s office and the Pentagon as appropriate means of legitimizing wars of aggression against any country selected for that treatment by the regime and its corporate propaganda-amplification system.... (Keefer, February 2006 )

(continued)

Months ago I pointed out that the Bush neocons had plans to attack Iran…that they’d use Israel to start the conflict….that they’d fool the public by claiming they were only going to “aid an ally” when their Iran attack eventually unfolded. (It’s the only story they have to sell since nobody’s buying in to their “Fear, Fear, Fear all the time” tactics any more.)

So far, Lebanon has born the brunt of Israel’s aggression but I can hear the propaganda machine working in the background….Hezbollah is bad…Hezbollah must be destroyed…Hezbollah is bad…Hezbollah must be destroyed… Hezbollah is supported by Syria and Iran…Syria and Iran…Syria and Iran. Soon the propaganda will morph into Syria and Iran are bad….Syria and Iran must be destroyed….Syria and Iran are bad….Syria and Iran must be destroyed With the U.S. in a trumped-up huff because Iran refuses to stop enriching uranium for their power plants, you can see how these events are converging towards the same critical point.

Here’s how I suspect Cheney’s Plan will play out:

May 2006

“US military leaders now fear that a copycat Cuban or Tonkin Gulf incident will be either faked or provoked sometime soon in the ship-clogged Persian Gulf.

(Iran will be blamed even though they‘ll deny it and there will be no evidence against them..

Once an Iranian attack on a US-flagged tanker or warship is announced, US commanders could be ordered to “counter-attack” with all available force—including nuclear weapons. Even if they suspected a ruse, no serving soldier can fail to protect his or her comrades. Any grunt or general who refused such a “go” command would risk immediate courts-martial, and charges of treason in a time of war.“

http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839133.shtml


At least ten warships at or heading to Lebanon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1659372


Hello Recipe For Disaster!

I agree with you 100%. The rationale for this is so bogus. Hamas is going to send the two (down from four) soldiers to Iran. Oh please, stop it, please...that is so absurd I'm thinking it will make no sense to the American people.

The support for Israel military action right or wrong is not there except for that faction of fundamentalists of the Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell ilk. Thats a tad less than 20$ of the country
and some of them are even wising up. But of course, this isn't Israel, I believe, but US devised
strategy which coincides with right wing Israeli factions.

This is another try at the previous invade Iran sales pitch which is now tied to Israel destroying
Lebanon for prisoners held where? I think two things are happening. The "civil war" within the
power structure is heating up as we speak. Pretty soon corporate media factions of "management" lite
will leak a "* is crazy" story with the promise of more if he doesn't back down. At the same time, the military has to be "up in arms" over this so who knows what they'll do.

The real sleeper here is the American people. I think a lot of people are just looking on saying WTF but if the train starts to leave the station there will be a real fire storm.

:)Those are my happy thoughts at this late hour:)

in summer or fall for a few months now... this is why and the carriers are in position to "assist"

on Terror. Just exactly how is this Continuing War on Terror legal. Please quote me the law. I believe this posting - this is a cooperative action (or series of actions) between the U.S./U.K. and Israel.

How is it legal? What part of my government has sanctioned this war on Iran?

advantage of the situation.

Israel finds "proof" that Iran is behind it all, they level the nuke plants, Iran threatens Israel (but not too much after all only Israeli's deserve nukes) and the US gets to back their bully to the hilt as other "high-value targets" in Iran get obliterated....

I didn't think these criminals would ACTUALLY try it, especially after the public so massively rejected all of the anti-iran propoganda force-fed to the masses by the Whore-Media earlier this year, but without assurances from Diebold about the upcoming "elections" the BFEE needed another distraction, and what better than another war against another fictious enemy and the 'Murrican people being kept safe by the gop....

It would be funny if it weren't so bloody criminal....

must take every trick. So despite their plummeting support they must continue as planned. Stay the course.

were she so inclined.

:nuke:

it's the PNAC story, chapter 2