Need Assistance: Abramoff donations

I'm getting the usual RW spin about Abramoff giving to BOTH Democrats and republicans. Does anybody here have a link to a chart that shows those donations that Abramoff directed, not just those of Abramoff and his clients together??

Not a penny.

FWIW, I wrote something on this here.

Prove it. Who did Abramoff give money to? Got a scan of a cancelled check? Because otherwise, I don't have time to do your research for you. Which Democrat, by name, and when did Jack Abramoff give money directly to? Remember that his clients aren't him; Abramoff had to make the donation personally and directly, like he did with the convict Cunningham, the indicted DeLay, the corrupt Ney, and on and on. Who?

he has charts from what APPEARS to be a non-partisan group, but they blend donations from Abramoff "and his clients." And a lot of his clients did give money to Dems as well. I pointed out that this was mixing Apples and Oranges, but wanted some proof that he was directing money only to R's.

Many of the indian tribes who have donated to Dems in their State or surrounding States for years, also became clients of Abranoff.

Just because they became clients of Abramoff doesn't make their donations to local Dems illigitimate!

That's similar to saying "I spend money on illegal gambeling AND I spend money on lottery tickets THEREFORE my money spent on lottery tickets is illegal."

But that's the only way that repukes can tie-in democrats to the Abramoff Scandal.

Consider Representative Patrick Kennedy. For years he has been working in congress to help improve conditions overall for Native Americans. Not just with Casinos, but education and well-being. Some of these tribes have horrible living conditions and poor educational structures - Kennedy is fighting to improve their overall condition. So naturally, Kennedy has received donations back from these tribes because they know of the good that Kennedy is doing.

HOWEVER, it also happens to be that some of these tribes were also tribes that put trust into Jack Abramoff in hopes that they would bring some form of profits into their tribes but instead Abramoff was stealing blind from these tribes and some of that money ended up being funnelled into republican causes.

The tribes are not the scandal. They are basically the organization that made poor financial decisions with someone they thought they could trust. That poor judgement does not meant their campaign donations are tainted, but Republicans are hoping that voters can't see that!

doesn't the scandal involve how Abramhoff directed some of the tribal donatiosn to his repub buddies??? I note din my post on the other board that the tribal donations to Democrats DROPPED after they hired Abramoff...

http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Jack_Abramoff.php

Print this out and you'll see that no democrat has received money from Abramoff.


What these nut jobs are trying to do is link the money that democrats may have received from Tribes involved with the Abramoff Scandal as 'Abramoff Money'. It's not and in fact many candidates received those donations not because of the Abramoff issue but because of the hard work they do working on Native American rights - like Rep Patrick Kennedy, one of their biggest advocates and a democrat who happened to receive about $20k money from tribes who were part of the Abramoff Scandal.

GREAT chart, thanks! Now about the Indian donations. ....

that is a fallacy created by republican spin-meisters

Here is a great explaination from Wikipedia about the scandal:



The worst that you could accuse the Tribes is poor judgement. Native American Casinos have been a gold-mine for those tribes who were able to get one built on their reservations. You have to realize that for centuries our country has abused the living bejesus out of the Native-Americans until we forced them into reservations where the living conditions for many are horrible. Once our government allowed these tribes to build Casinos on their reservations, tribes who were fortunate enough to build them were able to bring in the funds so desparately needed to improve conditions. So you can see why several tribes were so sure that Abramoff would give them the help they need in order to get their own casinos.

But in the mean time there are other people in DC working to improve conditions for Native-Americans who have nothing to do with the scandal, like Rep Patrick Kennedy. It would be natural for him to have native american donations include a few from tribes associated with Abramoff. But in no means would Kenendy every associate himself with the likes of Abramoff, Reed, et al.

I know they're not, relax, take a deep breath :hug: I found what I was looking for.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=10924



As always Lynnsin :yourock: thank you.