The drums of war sound for Iran

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG21Ak02.html

WASHINGTON - The week-old Israeli-Hezbollah conflict is likely to boost the chances of US military action against Iran, according to a number of regional experts who see a broad consensus among the US political elite that the ongoing hostilities are part of a broader offensive being waged by Tehran against Washington across the region.

While Israel-centered neo-conservatives have been the most aggressive in arguing that Hezbollah's July 12 cross-border attack could only have been carried out with Iran's approval, if not encouragement, that view has been largely accepted and echoed by the US mainstream media, as well as other key political factions, including liberal internationalists identified with the Democratic Party.

"In my reading, this is the beginning of what was a very similar process in the period, between and the Iraq war," said Gregory Gause, who teaches Middle East politics at the University of Vermont.

"While neo-cons took the lead in opinion formation then, eventually there was something approaching consensus in the American political class that war with Iraq was a necessary part of remaking the Middle East to prevent future 9/11s," he said.

"That strong majority opinion was bipartisan crossed ideological lines - neo-cons supported the war, but so did lots of prominent liberal intellectuals," he said. "I think it is very possible that a similar consensus could develop over the next few years, if not the next few months, about the necessity to confront Iran."

War against Iran = downfall of America.

That one snaps the already overstretched and brittle rubber band.

Somebody needs to snatch the fiddle out of Nero Bush's hand immediately.

Today's Army cannot run on Category 4 recruits. They need quality people, they don't have any money. Lets see, low cost. high quality people, how did they do this last time? Anyone here remember? "Greetings from the President of the United States of America, You are hereby directed to report..."

far away.... but getting closer....louder...LOUDER..

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Gay the files of scarlet follow
Woman bore me. I will die.

It was very enlightening.
She likes George Bush because she thinks he is a Christian. However, I have been working on her for years.
Her son is now 16. She told me that she feared for his future. Asked me what I would recomment.:think:
My recommendation was to get him a passport and be ready to go on a moment's notice.
She asked me if I thought Canada was a good place.
Slowly and surely...progress is being made with this one.
She now watches Keith on MSNBC and I haven't seen Fox on her television in months.

You may be sure Canada will return Americans who have fled there to avoid the draft.
Such an agreement between the US and our neighbor to the north is already a done deal.

there is no way the current US military in iraq can fend off a massive iranian invasion from the rear while the "insurgents" stage a massive rebellion (or whatever you want to call it) in the west and center.

facing the worst disaster in US presidential and military history, the worst president ever will nuke Iran and/or its invading military.

then again, maybe not

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So easy to use. Go that route and they will not use airplane on tower no more. Up the stake and one better be wary of them also up the stake. Perpetual fear no a very nice war to live.

Favourite passtime of MAD leaders.

Sadly history also shows it dont acheive nothing.

Look at all the empires where are they.

Oh yeah the winners :rofl:

Win what a moment of glory

People ordinary people suffer in war. Gains are all reverted back in the end

Maybe created lots of hate which will be hard to unravel depending on who win.

Look at World War 2. So the Germans lose. What is the gain. If they have won how will the world be like.

I am sure they cannot hold on to the empire. They might be brutal but they will not be able to hold on to their gain and ultimately countries revert back to the same status.

Regardless of what is the outcome in Iraq and Afghan. As sure as the sun rise it will one day revert back to as it is. For a country is make up of people and finally the people will decide.

It just too expansive in resources and human lifes to continue an occupation which is not supported by the local people. I am also sure if in world war 2 the winners try an occupation and force unaccepted goverments on the people we will see Germany Japan and Italy in choas today.

So US can spend as much as it wants and as many citizen as it wants to war. But it would not change the final result. All it will acheive is a moment of glory. That comes the pain the slow cancerous pain of a dying empire. A cancer which will be inflicted on its citizen to maintain the temprary glorious achevement until finally facing total ruin and disastisfaction of its own citizen FINALLY CUT AND RUN. STUPID damn stupid.

So the army march. For what does the guns and bomb toll for. A VICTORY? Gee what after that. Whose victory. So we beat the shit out of each other. Are we going to keep beating the shits out of each other forever? Damn tiring. Cause after the so call VICTORY. You still need to beat the shit out of people in the occupied countries and one damn sure they try to beat the shit out of you.

In this modern times beating the shit out of each other is scary. We are not in the times of swords and arrows we have created WMD and as surely as the strong can use them so can the losers. When one create to many people with hate and people who will willing kill you one expose themself to danger of one day an ugly revenge. It is never impossible for so call terrorist to use nuke. It is all a matter of does they hate enough to do it. It is also do they hate enough to use biological warfare weapon. At the rate thing are going cuckoo someone going to say fuck it and just do it. After all logic is not a consideration in the thought process at moment/

IMHO.

Yes, Hezbollah attacked a patrol, killed some soldiers, fired some rockets. A significant response was called for.

That said, the scope of the current operation is baffling to me. Knocking out bridges, the major airport, extensive bombing of infrastructure. It is now apparent that the goal of this operation is to severely degrade or eliminate Hezbollah as a fighting force.

But why undertake an operation of this scope so suddenly? Would not a more limited response, followed by a demand that Hezbollah be disarmed, been a more politically expedient course prior to an operation of this scale?

Every report I have read regarding military action against Iran notes Hezbollah actions against Israel as one of the major retaliatory threats.

In my opinion, this operation has been planned for a while as a necessary precursor to an attack on Iran. The attack on the Israeli soldiers enraged Olmert and he simply moved up the schedule.

Consider the Reich propaganda outlets rapid rolling out of the 'WWIII' and 'Iran/Syria at fault' memes even before the smoke from the first rockets cleared.

Consider the Chimp administrations non-response to Israel severely damaging their big win from last year, the 'Cedar Revolution'.