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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:37 AM
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The U.S. is now a legitimate military target
The U.S. is now a legitimate military target
by elishastephens
Sat Jul 22, 2006 at 06:14:53 AM PDT

A few days ago I likened the U.S. role in blocking international efforts to achieve a cease-fire in Lebanon to the role of a cyclist in the Tour de France, blocking the pack from chasing while their teammate was up the road on a breakaway. But now we've had the U.S. rushing $210 million worth of aviation fuel to Israel, and today we learn of this obscenity:


The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel, which requested the expedited shipment last week after beginning its air campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, American officials said Friday.

The decision to quickly ship the weapons to Israel was made with relatively little debate within the Bush administration, the officials said. Its disclosure threatens to anger Arab governments and others because of the appearance that the United States is actively aiding the Israeli bombing campaign in a way that could be compared to Iran's efforts to arm and resupply Hezbollah.http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/world/middleeast/22military.html?ei=5094&en=ccb5206208860925&hp=&ex=1153627200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print


So now we've got the U.S. as the team manager, riding up next to the leader in the breakway and passing food and fuel out the window. Unfortunately that's not Power Bars and Gatorade it's handing out, it's instruments of death.

more at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/22/91453/0933
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:42 AM
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1. Yes. We are screwed. How can the Lebonese Army stay out
of the conflict if civilians are being wiped out?
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:42 AM
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2. I agree,,, Bush really wants more Terrorist attacks on the US
So he will become the Great Leader Rove tells him he is :grr:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:46 AM
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3. He's been begging for them for years now. This is just Phase 2.
If these m#thers didn't stage 9/11, they might as well have, because everything they had done since has insured more Americans will be killed again on American soil.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:56 AM
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4. He wants the 90% approval rating of another 9-11 Part Two
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:57 AM
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5. So now its ok for terrorists to kill American civilians?
I'm sure terrorists will feel much better about their actions now - glad they don't have to feel guilty anymore like they did on 9-11.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:45 AM
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10. Uh, no that is not what kpete said.
He said that we are now a legitimate military target. Israel declared war, at least informally, against Lebanon. In the rules of war legitimate military targets include those nations that are not neutral in the conflict, for example by supplying military equipment to one of the beligerant parties. Killing civilians remains a war crime.
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helpman Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 12:44 PM
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18. I am sure Americans will be targeted.
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 12:55 PM by helpman
Your foreign policy leaves little to be desired.

Dictators and butchers who have been financed and supported by the United States in the last 60 years:

Hamid Karzai
Afghanistan
Mullah Omar /
Taliban
Afghanistan
Gen. Jorge Videla (Argentina)
Heydar Aliyev
Azerbaijan
Ilham Aliyev
Azerbaijan
Colonel Hugo Banzer
Bolivia
Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada
Bolivia
Gen. Humberto Branco
Brazil
Gen. Arthur da Costa e Silva Brazil
Gen. Emilio Garrastazu Medici Brazil
Gen. Ernesto Geisel Brazil
Gen. Joao Baptista de Oliveira Figueiredo Brazil
Hassanal Bolkiah (Brunei)
Lon Nol (Cambodia)
Pol Pot (Cambodia)
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (CAR)
Hissene Habre (Chad)
Augusto Pinochet (Chile)
Chiang Kai-Shek (China/Taiwan)
Gustavo Pinilla (Colombia)
Laurent Kabila (Congo DR)
Fulgencio Batista (Cuba)
Garardo Machado (Cuba)
Gen. Rafael Trujillo (Dom. Republic)
Hosni Mubarak (Egypt)
Isaias Afewerki (Eritrea)
Haile Selassie (Ethiopia)
Meles Zenawi (Ethiopia)
Gen. Sitiveni Rabuka (Fiji)
George Papadopoulos (Greece)
Jorge Ubico (Guatemala)
Marco Arevalo (Guatemala)
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala)
Gerard Latortue (Haiti)
Raoul Cedras (Haiti)
"Baby Doc" Duvalier (Haiti)
"Papa Doc" Duvalier (Haiti)
Roberto Suazo Cordova
Gen. Suharto[/b>
Shah Reza Pahlavi[/b>
Saddam Hussein[/b> (Iraq)
Ariel Sharon (Israel)
Edward Seaga (Jamaica)
King Abdullah II (Jordan)
Nursultan Nazarbayev (Kazakhstan)
Daniel arap-Moi (Kenya)
Emir Jabir Al-Sabah (Kuwait)
Askar Akayevich Akayev (Kyrgyzstan)
Camille Chamoun (Lebanon)
Gen. Samuel Doe (Liberia)
William Tolbert Jr. (Liberia)
William Tubman (Liberia)
Moammar Abu Minyar al-Qaddafi (Libya)
Maaouya Ould sid Ahmed Taya (Mauritania)
King Hassan II (Morocco)
Mohammed VI (Morocco)
King Gyanendra (Nepal)
Anastasio Somoza Jr. Gen. Sani Abacha[/b> (Nigeria)
Mohammed Zia Ul-Haq Benazir Bhutto[/b>
Pervez Musharraf[/b>
Manuel Noriega[/b>
Alfredo Stroessner[/b>
Fujimori[/b>
Montesinos (Peru)
Manuel Odria (Peru)
Ferdinand Marcos Antonio Salazar[/b>
Ian Smith[/b> Nicolae Ceausescu[/b>
Chun Doo-Hwan[/b>
Park Chung-Hee[/b>
Syngman Rhee[/b>
King Fahd bin Abd al-Aziz Al Saud[/b> (Saudi Arabia)
King Abdallah bin Abd al-Aziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabia)
Siad Barre
P.W. Botha[/b>
Josef Stalin[/b> Gen. Francisco Franco[/b>
Enomali Rahmonov[/b> (Tajikistan)
Turgut OzalIdi Amin[/b>
Yoweri Museveni[/b>
Islam Karimov[/b> (Uzbekistan)
Marcos Perez Jimenez
Bao Dai[/b> (Vietnam)
Ngo Dinh Diem
Mobutu Sese Seko[/b> (Zaire)
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Tenseiga Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:38 PM
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31. wow, some of those names listed on there are just unconscionable.
worse yet, that's put us in bed with 90% of the people who have stirred up shit over the last 40 years. This MUST be corrected in the future.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:58 AM
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6. There's nothing like proving OBL is right about everything -
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 11:00 AM by patrice
Creates a clarion call to Terrorists all over the world - AND - Lets ALL of the ARAB states OFF OF THE HOOK in re their responsibilities for the Palestinians!!

He's playing right into OBL's hands.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:43 AM
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9. Osama said the US supports Israel. So we shouldn't?
Because what Osama wants is what matters?

Not in lower Manhattan it doesn't.
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helpman Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 12:52 PM
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19. Most of Lower Manhattan...
Most of Lower Manhattan also questions the validity of 9-11 according to 2004 polls.

A 2004 Zogby poll indicated that nearly half of New York City residents believed the United States government had some level of foreknowledge of the attacks.

Deal with it.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:04 PM
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22. Should? Shouldn't?
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 02:05 PM by patrice
What matters most is what happens to people, any people. Lower Manhattan has no special claim to that principle.

What matters next to that is perception.

What "we" do about Israel one way or another shouldn't be predicated entirely on what OBL says about Israel, nor solely on what Israel wants, which appears to be the status quo.

Whatever our reasons, the perception by millions of people around the world is quite likely that OBL is right about us. That perception could be corrected if "we" could stand up for the Palestinians in whatever substantive ways that are possible.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:13 PM
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23. BTW, if it wasn't okay for what happened to NYC, why is it okay
for the same thing to happen to Lebanon?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 07:09 AM
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27. Bingo
Morals and ethics are dead. Bush said crusades and that's what he meant but he does not know his enemy this time.

That there are Americans supporting this anhilation of a country is frightening.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 02:31 PM
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30. There are issues that profoundly divide America.
Essentially, we are not united and, in some ways, never will be. So the question is "Can we work together?".
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:09 AM
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7. If Iran supplies Hezbollah and we supply Israel. How are we different?
We're NOT! Tell the US "terrorist" goverment to shut up about Iran and Syria.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:47 AM
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11. Been pondering that thought myself. n/t
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 12:12 PM
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15. me too
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 12:13 PM by jarnocan
seems so hypocritical - 'we' assasinate other leaders, aide election FRAUD in other countries, and attack without justifiable provocation, draw of PLANS to USE WMDs, USE WMDs ETC. so why wouldn't we be? Another country just won't declare outright war with US because we would bomb them to bits, so I guess terrorism will be the're only and likely recourse, which will likely work in the neocons favor.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 12:06 PM
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14. One's a U.N. recognized terrorist organization and the other
is a U.N. recognized nation? :shrug:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 06:56 AM
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26. Not to mention the US supplying Iran
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:13 AM
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8. K&R
This deserves a K&R.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:48 AM
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12. This, Sir, Effects Nothing Of Importance
Those who hate the United States for its support of Israel will simply add it to a long list of grievances. It does not make any action by them aimed at killing U.S. civilians absent a military objective legitimate.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 12:01 PM
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13. Which is not, I think, the point.
If Lebanon had the military capability it would be entirely legitimate, although obviously foolish, to attack our munitions transports moving supplies to Israel. I believe that is all that the OP is saying, and you are right in the sense that as Lebanon has no such capability and as it would be rather foolish for it use it if it did, nothing of importance will happen regarding our non-neutral status in this war. Nothing of importance other than giving yet another boost to the Islamic nationalist's claim that the United States and Israel are at war with the Islamic world.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 12:16 PM
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17. Its important to me, Sir. Very much so actually
The reason being is that the USA and its friend Israel have now shown clearly that dropping ordnance on civilians has become a standard legitimate military objective.

That doesn't set well with me because that type of thinking puts a bullseye onto the backs of my own family members. And my family hasn't been issued flak jackets and up-armored Humvees as the soldiers who are doing these deeds have been.

Don
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 01:22 PM
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20. The Practice Hardly Originated There, Sir
Even were it granted your characterization of the events is the correct one, it is hardly an exclusive franchise.

Nor will it alter the view of the jihadis, who already think you and your family walk about with bull's-eyes on your backs, and whose actions are limited at present solely by considerations of capablity and choice of theater, rather than by any scruple over killing citizens here that this might overbear.
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 12:15 PM
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16. and of course shame on those traitors at the NYTs for
telling the truth again, because the truth causes SMART people to hate the Bush adminstration, and unfortunately many people to hate US!
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 01:33 PM
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21. Like, helloooo (valley girl)
I'm so sure Cheney wouldn't have been digging his little hidey hole, if they didn't have plans to make us a target!!! Now when did he start digging? hmmm.....:eyes:
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 02:36 PM
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24. Cheney's bunker
For those who don't know about it....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2559617.stm

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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 01:08 AM
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25. We became "fair game" on January 6th, 2001
That's the day the US Constitution was put into breach and the (former) American People were "taken out of the loop."

That was the seminal event -- from which all the subsequent horrors flowed.

US public opinion could no longer be looked to as the only consistent powerful force for good on the planet.

It was no longer functional as the last, best hope for justice.

That's what made us "fair game" for 9/11 and all that follows.

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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 11:05 AM
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28. Excuse the minor threadjack but what happened on Jan. 6 2001?
It wasn't the signing of the PATRIOT Act, it was before 9/11, Bush hadn't been inaugurated yet, so what was it?
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 01:10 PM
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29. That was the day congress violated its oath...
...to protect and defend the constitution by failing to object to the unlawful Florida electors (as instructed by Justice Breyer in his dissent to the BushvGore edict from the Felonious Five).

You might recall that Michael Moore included the event in Fahrenheit 911. And while leafletting the premier weekend shows the most common comment we heard from viewers was not about the Saudis or the war carnage but rather "why didn't I know about the objection?" and "I hate my Senator."

What happened was that the known "consent of the governed" (of FL and thus the nation) was set aside and we have since lived under an appointed ruler, not an elected leader. A technical state of fascism was imposed, more specifically Stalinism**.

They repeated this dereliction on Jan. 6th 2005 (re: Ohio). The only difference was that this time we were able to convince Sen. Boxer to join in an objection and at least get it on the historical record. As importantly, she also expressed regret for her earlier dereliction of duty in 2001.

It was this descent into "non-democracy" that eliminated our moral ascendency in the world. The subsequent war crimes and terrorist acts of the never-elected, never-legitimate regime just demonstrates what happens when you override the Will of The People.

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**"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decided everything." -- Josef Stalin (echoed by Pol Pot, Bushes, Scalia, Rehnquist, Baker, Harris, Blackwell, etc...)

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www.january6th.org
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