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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 08:16 AM
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MP casts doubt on David Kelly suicide
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LONDON (AFP) - An opposition member of parliament has alleged that a government scientist who cast doubt on intelligence about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction may not have taken his own life.

A judicial inquiry into the death of David Kelly in July 2003 concluded that the one-time UN weapons inspector and expert on Saddam Hussein's weapons programmes committed suicide.

He did so after he was named as the source of a BBC news report suggesting that Tony Blair's government had "sexed up" intelligence in the run-up to the US and British invasion of Iraq four months earlier.

"Today, I challenge that conclusion," wrote Norman Baker, from the Liberal Democrats, in the Mail on Sunday newspaper.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060723/wl_afp/iraqweaponsbritain;_ylt=AkCyGjdprgFuP8_fKwrBlH10bBAF
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 08:17 AM
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1. kick..........
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 08:18 AM
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2. All rational people know that David Kelly
was 'suicided'.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 08:41 AM
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4. Well, I do.
When they tried to tell me that he killed himself right before his daughter's wedding? Suuuurrrrre.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 08:25 AM
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3. my gut feeling from the start was it wasn't a suicide,
I don't trust the official stand on anything anymore especially if it has anything to do with the two b's
bush* and blair.
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 09:01 AM
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5. New song by Thom Yorke of Radiohead...
...about the David Kelly "suicide":

"Harrowdown Hill" from the CD, The Eraser

Don't walk the plank like I did
You will be dispensed with
When you've become inconvenient
In the harrowdown hill
Where you went to school
That's where I am
That's where I'm lying down

Did I fall or was I pushed?
Did I fall or was I pushed?
And where's the blood?
And where's the blood?

I'm coming home
I'm coming home
To make it all right
So dry your eyes

We think the same things at the same time
We just cant do anything about it

So don't ask me
Ask the ministry
Don't ask me
Ask the ministry

We think the same things at the same time
There are so many of us
So you can't count

We think the same things at the same time
There are too many of us
So you can't count

Can you see me when I'm running?
Can you see me when I'm running?
Away from them

I can't take their pressure
No one cares if you live or die
They just want me gone
They want me gone

I'm coming home
I'm coming home
To make it all right
So dry your eyes

We think the same things at the same time
We just cant do anything about it

We think the same things at the same time
There are too many of us
So you can't count

It was a slippery slippery slippery slope
It was a slippery slippery slippery slope
I feel me slipping in and out of consciousness
I feel me slipping in and out of consciousness
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 09:23 AM
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6. he had heart monitor tabs on his chest.. were they torturing him..??
the Ulna Artery was cut with a dull knife
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 10:01 AM
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7. Wasn't Judith Miller the last person he spoke to?
What a tangled web we weave.

Don
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 10:06 AM
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8. yeah, that's a little bizarre, eh?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 10:19 AM
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9. Odd how 2 top WMD experts, in regimes consumed with finding WMDs,
were neutralized in the same week:

July 14, 2003: CIA WMD counter-proliferation team head, Valerie Plame, outed (career ruined, projects entirely disabled, life put in danger), by the Bush junta (operating thru columnist Robt Novak).

July 18, 2003: Brits top WMD expert, David Kelly, who had been whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC about prewar WMD lies, found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances; he office and computers are searched.

(and here's the real kicker)

July 22, 2003: Novak ADDITIONALLY outs the entire CIA counter-proliferation team, Brewster-Jennings, putting all of its covert agents/contacts around the world at risk of getting killed and disabling all projects.

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Odd behavior for governments so concerned about finding and protecting the world from WMDs!

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4 days between these events, all in the summer of the big WMD hunt. If you figure that the Bush junta was trying to plant WMDs in Iraq, after the invasion--a reasonable presumption, given the actors--and add in a few other items, for instance, NYT reporter Judith Miller was enthusiastically embedded with the U.S. troops who were "hunting" for the WMDs in Iraq (that everybody knew weren't there), that Miller was a colleague of David Kelly's (she used him as a major quoted source in her book "Germs"), that David Kelly's last email, on the day he died, July 17, was to Judith Miller (the one in which he was concerned about the "many dark actors playing games"), and that Miller failed to disclose her close connections to Kelly in the NYT obit article she wrote on Kelly shortly after his death--the story becomes yet more intriguing. (During the period of the Brit gov't harassment and interrogation of Kelly (late June-July 7, 2003), Miller was meeting with Cheney aide Scooter Libby in the conspiracy to out, disable and threaten Valerie Plame and the entire CIA counter-proliferation network).

Miller (major NYT propagandist for the Bush's war) may have been only a pawn in this game of "the dark actors." But the connective tissue is interesting, and the major players likely had much to conceal, starting with the Niger forgeries likely concocted at the Rome meeting in 2001, by Bushite NeoCons, Italian gov't fascists and Manucher Ghorbanifar (notorious Iranian arms dealer of Iran-Contra infamy). The "crude" Niger forgeries (which were easily detectable by CIA and UN experts, once they got to see them) alleged to show Iraq/Saddam purchase of yellowcake uranium from Niger. The NeoCons forced this Niger/nuke allegation against Iraq into Bush speeches, over CIA objections. Why the NeoCons were so bent on Bush speaking this particular lie takes us down a "cloak and dagger" byway of Bush junta crime--that it may have been intended to embarrass and discredit the honest professionals in the CIA; if they took a known position of no-nukes-in-Iraq, then the planted nukes were "found," they would be discredited and could then be more easily purged; and it's possible Joe Wilson fell into their trap--was enticed to publish his no-nukes article in the NYT (July 6, 2003--the supposed trigger of the Plame outing--but was it?).

In any case, the logical question that arises in any reasonable person's mind, given the highly suspicious circumstances of Kelly's death--and especially looking at the startling coincidence of dates with the Plame outing (and the similarity of theme: silencing WMD experts)--is: What did Kelly know that could have gotten him killed?

He was already whistleblowing and therefore a clear threat to Bush/Blair. What did they find out when they interrogated him at a "safe" house (the week of July 1-7)? The Hutton report (in one of its few useful pieces of info) reveals that Blair was told something about it on July 7. He was informed by the intel service that David Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things." Not had said. COULD say. This fits with the time-line of the outing of Plame. Her husband's article was published July 6. She was outed July 14. Kelly was found dead four days later. Then BJ was outed.

It all points to WMDs. He knew something MORE about WMDs--something more damning. By that point (and even way back in Feb., pre-invasion) just about everybody in the world knew Bush/Blair were lying about WMDs. Even the smarter American people knew (56% opposed to the Iraq invasion, in Feb. '03, despite 24/7 propaganda and Colin Powell's pack of lies to the UN). So Kelly's disclosures to the BBC about "sexed up" prewar intel were not surprising news. What else did he know? A nefarious scheme to PLANT nukes in Iraq and fool the whole world answers nicely. Kelly was in a good position to gain knowledge of such a scheme. He was an old hand at Iraq WMDs and had friends in Iraq. Possibly he is even the one who foiled the plot, say, by passing info along to the CIA or other counter-proliferation agents. His discovery of such a plot might help account for his whistleblowing. He was in favor of ousting Saddam before the war, but he was also a "straightshooter" sort of guy and top scientist, who believed in his counter-proliferation work, and likely would have been appalled at such at such an egregiously deceptive scheme (planting the weapons). His turnaround on the war occurred around April-May 2003, after the invasion, during the "hunt" for WMDs; and there were, indeed, several stories in the Islamic press about failed U.S. attempts to plant the weapons in Iraq, during that period; also a story in a Congressman's book about Ghorbanifar trying to lead the CIA astray about Iraq nukes stolen by the Iranians and taken to Iran (a story that fell apart upon CIA investigation).

I think that, in both cases--Kelly's whistleblowing about "sexed up" WMD intel, and Wilson's publication of his no-nukes-in-Iraq article--the effort by the Bushites/Blairites to counter public criticism is given too much importance as a motive, and not enough attention is paid to the likelihood that they were not just lying and propagandizing and trying to silence criticism, but were actively trying to cover up a more serious and damning crime--illicitly moving WMDs into Iraq (maybe with tracks to Iran?), an enormous deception, that would have put the war into an even worse light than it already was in, in 2003. Certainly it would have brought down the Blair gov't, and in the U.S. might have given Kerry the edge he needed to overcome the Diebold/ES&S voting machine advantage to Bush in the 2004 election.

I'm about 99% that Kelly did not commit suicide. The facts of his death--and the blatant effort to coverup many of those facts (the Hutton inquiry)--point to murder. But there is that 1% possibility that he killed himself, or agreed to be suicided, perhaps to protect his family, and/or at real despair over his ruined career or other threats. No sign of despair (in fact, he was quite forward-looking and upbeat, for all his concern about "the many dark actors). But still, despair can be hidden; and it can be worked upon. No one knows where he was between the time he left his house July 17 and his body was discovered the next day. More interrogation? More threats? But my point is that the above scenario--that he knew something more and that it may have been illicit weapons movement by Bush/Blair forces, and intention to deceive--could be true, whether he committed suicide or not. There are ways of driving people to suicide. Even if an honest forensic investigation could determine that he DID commit suicide, the question remains: why?

Kelly was a very famous person in England, by the time the Blairites released him from custody. They sent him home without protection, and apparently without surveillance. This is incredible, and I simply don't believe that he was not under close watch. Where were his watchers while he bled to death all night under a tree near his home? Whether he committed suicide or was murdered, why didn't they rescue him?

This, to me, is the most damning evidence of all that the Blair/Bush warmongers murdered him. Where were his gov't watchers?

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