I have HAD IT with support for BABY KILLERS.

HIZBOLLAH baby killers,

ISRAELI baby killers,

AND US BABY KILLERS.

Either we support the end of WAR CRIMES AND ACTS OF ATTROCITY AGAINST INNOCENT CIVILIANS no matter who does it, or we should just close up shop, quit posting here, and go work for EXXON MOBIL.

There is no third way here.

I'm sick of the "anti-Semite" bullshit just because I am the PACIFIST that I am now, and have always been.

KILLING CIVILIANS as an excuse to "get" your target/convince your "target" to "give up"/as "collateral damage" you make no excuse to ameliorate/through indescriminate terrorism IS WRONG NOW, HAS ALWAYS BEEN WRONG, AND WILL ALWAYS BE WRONG.

I'm going to leave work early, go home and comfort my wife who just got fired in the latest cost-cutting at the NURSING home where she worked like a dog.

FUCK ALL the warmongering idiots who would justify any organization or state's slaughter FOR ANY REASON. You are proof positive that the national IQ is headed toward the basement.

it sickens me how many DUers get caught up in this warmongering garbage

Hugs to your wife Tyler - may I ask what position she was? If it was nursing I thought they were in short supply.

Me too.

Spent the rest of the day wrestling with the new puppy and stroking the wife's badly abused ego.

She's an BSN/RN, specialized in treatment, Psych, meds, and government paperwork, which makes administrators unsure of their positions nervous, although she could give two shits for their jobs.

Facilities want LPNs and aids. Why? So they can "glass ceiling" them and pay them less.

The whole world has gone insane. It seems that leaders in all countries are in a contest to see who can kill the most people, and maim and injure the innocent. It doesn't have to be this way, but some people refuse to take off their blinders, or let go of their hatred.

I'm sorry that your wife lost her job. People who work in nursing homes usually are greatly overworked, and criminally underpaid. I hope she will find something much better soon.

It's just all too crazy to keep up with anymore. We have the potential to have such a safer, cleaner, kinder world, and refuse to use that potential. As a species, apparently we will spend everything we have on destroying others, and begrudge every penny squeezed out for good. I hope things get better for you.
For what it's worth...:hug:

:hug:

from lack of government aid for food and health care?

Fuck them all. They better PRAY their god doesn't exist, because if he does, they are ALL going to be smoking a turd like a stogie in Hell.

Just as it is "anti-Bush" not "anti-Christian." Crimeny, even many Jews -- including my step-father and most of his family -- are loudly condemning Israel for its latest round of atrocities.

There's another thread getting big time press right now that hangs its hat on "Jews love life, Hizbollah loves Death," and that lovely bigotted comment by the late Golda Meir on the lines of that there will never be peace until the Arabs love there children as much as the Jews do.

What she actually said was that "there will never be peace until Palestinian mothers love their children more than they hate Israel." That is such a hateful, bullshit statement that I want to throw something against the wall every time I hear/see it.

Does that also go for Israelis who bomb the shit out of residential areas and food factories, killing civilians, babies and children included, and Israelis who cheer them on, just like the families of some suicide bombers cheer them on as well?

?

i'd be more likely to say the greyhound bus station's sole remaining working toilet. swirling away into the sewer.

not wanting a "fake peace" so there will be no urging toward a ceasefire. How about a "fake peace" so the parties can assemble and try talking instead of killing?

I am not alone. I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the situation. Just remember that, generally, using the 'anti-semitic' weapon is reserved for times when there is no reasonable counter-argument. The last refuge, as it were.

You are damn right.

:thumbsup: PEACE!

and many of them children (according to an interviewee this morning). We seem to have completely forgotten that there's fighting going on right now in Gaza and the Palestinian territories and most media ignore it.

What's the justification? I haven't heard a peep about this.

Hezbollah used the opportunity to open a 2nd front.

Some terrorist nitwits spent about 3 months digging a tunnel from Gaza into Israel where they killed several soldiers and kidnapped one. They are still holding him. Or his remains.

Heh. Still, if 260 people have been killed there, you'd think it's make some more noise on the news. But Gaza never really has, I guess.

Edit: I mean, in terms of humanitarian issues.

Well, maybe you don't have a list, but let's make one, and please add my name.

I won't be an apologist for anyone's butchery. And I don't want anything at all to do with anyone twisted enough to try to justify all of this murder.

Thank you for your post.

No matter what the reason for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven anymore!"----John Prine

Don't know why, but your post evoked the lyrics of this old song.

I opened the thread thinking it was another Andrea Yates thread.

And that goes every bit as much for our present, unconscionably boot-licking pack of so-called party leadership as well. K&R

my Jewish in-laws are also anti-semitic. It's a bunch of bullshit. Don't let it get you down.

otherwise why be an apologist for this massacre?

The original poster is mad as FUCK. Me too.

I still believe that those who want Peace are the Majority.

We have to stop this talk of WW3....this is where the Ultra Rich wants to go. They play both sides of the War selling arms to both and then cleaning up both. It's all about the money. These are people with no souls.

We outnumber them.

why don't we believe this????

and more obsessive in their postings and just won't shut the hell up!

However-Make No Mistake-most dems/liberals/progressives DO NOT support this slaughter!!! :grr:

Justifying the righteousness of violence on any side is pointless in the face of death and destruction. A plea for peace is neither anti-Semitic nor anti-Arab, it's pro-humanity.

:thumbsup:

Now we need to tell this to our party leaders who are busy lining up with the war drummers.

How are you feeling?

I was sick all day yesterday. Thanks for asking.

:hug: Take care.

no matter who is committing them. :thumbsup:

It's an overload...thinking of the children in the MidEast. Iraq. Lebanon. Israel.

It's just too much.

Why is it wrong to want PEACE for everyone, for the children?

I can't take this madness anymore.

:cry:

this is just sickening, we need to dismantle these wackos now.

There would be no justice is punishing her. None.

Work to stop bad beliefs, and then nutty people will manage or recognize their own nuttiness more often.

the ones I was talking about kill with bombs from planes, suicide belts, and machine guns.

The nut in TX is just plain NUTS.

Sorry about your wife's job loss - take care.

IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE. KICKED AND RECOMMENDED.

Humans are dying and we just pour more blood, gore and violence onto them.
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so you don't have to talk to them.

I am crawling into a deep, dark cave. Wake me up on January 9, 2008, please.

in the USA we have 2 pro war parties... :(

who cares in the end who is to blame? When so many are dead, the idea is stop the death, not point the finger...


Well said indeed

It appears there are many of us here but we are being overwhelmed by more prodigious posters.

So, sorry about your wife losing her job.

I hope you're both okay.

:hug:

Terrorism and war crimes from all sides MUST stop.

"you say eye for eye and tooth for tooth ....but I say unto you, turn the other cheek, do good unto those that hate you and by doing so you will heep coals of fire on them"

:eyes:

;)

It's sooooo easy to forget the rest of the story.

Lisby
O8)

version of what you just said.

Raping and killing children and infants is WRONG. And we must speak out against it. Whether it is popular or not.

Tyler keep saying this loud and clear. Don't let anyone stop you.

I will never ever stop advocating for the women and children of Iraq and now the rest of the mideast. And if they want to ban, delete, flame us, so be it.

If we can save the life of one child, prevent one murder or rape then it is all worth it.

'Cause I'm not going to back down.

Everyone must stop the endless cycles of violence. No one is justified anymore. It's gone on too long. Both sides--hell, ALL sides--are wrong. Nothing justifies the killing. NOTHING.

:thumbsdown:

Lisby

speaking out for the women and children of Iraq.

kick.

You're absolutely right, and I wish the Dems would speak with your clarity.

When they finally figure out that everyone is ignoring their Rants and Pro-war posts, maybe THEY will quit and just go away.

I began ignoring them about a week ago and I feel much better. :pals:

I just about pitched a company laptop through a plate glass window. I've never hit that point before.

I think it was a comment about my "anti-Semitism" and the morality of wasting civilians to strike at terrorists.

I thought THAT was the WORKING DEFINITION of terrorism..?

<snip>

"Only the bloodstains on their white shrouds spoke of the tragedy that had unfolded. Two Palestinian girls, one just eight months old, were dead. They were killed when an Israeli tank shell struck a house near Jabalya in the besieged Gaza Strip.

Yesterday marked the end of Cpl Gilad Shalit's first month in captivity and Israel stepped up operations inside the Strip in an operation codenamed Sampson's Pillar.

The ferocity of the response to that kidnapping, and the determination of operations to stop Palestinian militants' rockets, saw a barrage of air strikes and raids yesterday that killed at least 19 Palestinians, including three children and a handicapped man.

Israeli shells struck at a rate of one a minute throughout the afternoon, with the buildings of Beit Hanoun shaking under the sustained fire. The army has killed 140 Palestinians since it began its assault. About half are civilians."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1199342.ece

These are my symbols that keep me on the side of peace. These are
the symbols that keep me convinced WAR is not an option:

For the baby who cries tonight, somewhere, without milk.
For the toddler who cries tonight, hungry before bed.
For the 10 year old who screams cause he just lost both of his parents.
For the 15 year old who passes out from pain from bombs.
For the 18 year old who wants to revenge his family's death.

For the children who are screaming in pain, right now.


edit: typo

I've been saying this to anyone listening and writing it in all my emails. I'm saying it now, just as I did after 911.

THERE'S NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR KILLING INNOCENT CHILDREN AND PEOPLE PERIOD.

I could not excuse the Muslim fundamentalists, I cannot excuse the U.S., and I cannot excuse Israel.

Thanks, Tyler.

P.S. Don't leave; there's a lot of us who feel the exact same way here.

But it was the first time it ever got to be too much to handle.

Warning sign...

:wtf:

are you insinuating that all babies are created equal?

"I believe in peace, bitch."


Lisby
Who completely agrees with you.
:hippie:

:thumbsup:

I am so sick to my stomach about these senseless killings. :thumbsup:

Peace . . . .

None whatsoever. All alleged support of Hezbollah is based on the straw man fallacy - the same one that works to claim that if you criticize Bush, you support Al Qaeda.

In fact, no one knows Hezabollah's side in this. From no part of the media have I heard one word from Hezbollah itself, nor seen one single defender of Hezbollah.

That if I didn't support the attrocity, excuse me, "just defense of Israel" in Lebanon, that not only was I anti-Semetic, but I was a supporter of Hezbollah.

That wasn't the capper, but it was close.

Page right out of the Bush neocrazy handbook of neocrazy viral nationalism.

Not only are they killing children, they're burning them with white phosphorous.

UNICEF has set up a special webpage to donate directly to a fund to help Lebanese children.

Tell me about it!