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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:30 AM
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sibel edmonds on tice, and dissent.
this from sibel

ALL THAT’S GIVEN UP IN THE NAME OF SECURITY

By Sibel Edmonds and William Weaver

Two days ago we made available to the public news that one of our members, Russell Tice, a former NSA Senior Analyst, had been served with a subpoena asking him to appear before a federal grand jury regarding the criminal investigation of recent disclosures which involved NSA warrantless eavesdropping. Our announcement was followed up in both the main and alternative media, and started heated discussions among online activists. We have received e-mails and letters from people who expressed their support and solidarity with Mr. Tice and other patriotic public servants who have chosen to place our nation, its Constitution, its liberty, thus its public’s right to know, above their future security, careers and livelihood.

We have also received e-mails from individuals who argued against the public’s right to know when it comes to issues such as NSA warrantless eavesdropping or mass collection of citizens’ financial and other personal data by various intelligence and defense related agencies. They unite in their argument that any measure to protect us from the terrorists is welcomed and justified. One individual wrote: “so what if they are listening to our conversations. I have nothing to hide, so I don’t mind the government eavesdropping on my phone conversations. Only those engaged in evil deeds would worry about the government placing them under surveillance.” But how far can one let the government go based on this rationale? This issue is well articulated in Federalist, No. 51, “You must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.” How do we oblige our government to control itself?

You may ask how NSA eavesdropping affects you when you have nothing to hide. Let us try to explain why you should worry. Even if, as the government claims, this program is only looking for “terrorist activity,” still all your conversations have to be processed; have to be linked to other calls and sources of “possible” terrorist activity. All it takes is an innocent phone call to a friend, who has placed a call to a friend or relative, who has legitimate business or personal contacts in a foreign country where there may be “suspected terrorists.” You have just become a potential target of government investigation – you may be a terrorist supporter, or even a terrorist. Remember “Six Degrees of Separation” (the theory that anyone on earth can be connected to any other person on the planet through a chain of acquaintances with no more than five intermediaries)? The NSA program can easily mistakenly connect you to a terrorist. Furthermore, since the program is being conducted without judicial oversight and under no recognized process there is nothing to restrict how the information obtained under the program is being used.

But let us take things from the widely shared point of view of the individual quoted above; the view that there is nothing for honest people to fear from warrantless, presidentially-ordered surveillance. What other invasions of rights would such acquiescence to government authority inevitably lead to?

Our government will argue its right to break into your house and search it without warrant based on some tip, intelligence, or information that is considered classified, which you have no right or clearance to know about. It will argue that the search and the secrecy are necessary for reasons of “national security” and within the “inherent powers” of the executive branch, therefore not requiring congressional authorization or judicial oversight.

What is next in the name of national security? Will our government call out to all citizens in particular communities to turn in their weapons to law enforcement agencies? Perhaps it will cite the following reason for such call: “We already know that several Al Qaeda cells reside in the affected communities. Our intelligence agencies have received credible information concerning these cells’ intention to break into Americans’ homes to obtain firearms, since they do not want to risk detection by purchasing firearms from the market.” Would our compliant citizen quoted above be more than happy to give up his right under the Second Amendment for possible security promised to him by his government? When the agents show up at his door asking for his legally registered Colt, what will he do?

There are those well-meaning “conservative” Americans who have been lead to believe that our nation’s security is somehow damaged when an employee of one of our “security” agencies comes forward to shed light on activities by our government that may be illegal, may be un-constitutional, and may be a danger to the nation’s security. These Americans have accepted too easily the government’s propaganda sold to them shrewdly packaged in a wrapping of fear of terror – that if you expose any government action, however misguided or un-constitutional, then you are jeopardizing our security; you are aiding the terrorists. This quote from Benjamin Franklin sums it up well: “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

What price our imagined security? If we now would allow the NSA to listen in to our most private conversations without objection, then when next the knock comes on our door, or our door is knocked down, in the interest of “national security” what will we say? Will we say “come on in and search me, my house and my family; after all, it is in the interest of ‘national security’ and we have nothing to hide”? Generations of Americans have fought and died so that we can today enjoy the precious fruits of their struggles – the right to our privacy, the right to our freedom from government intrusion, the right to our freedom of speech, the right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” the right to simply be left alone. Are we to become the generation that loses those freedoms, not only for ourselves, but for the generations that follow? And will it be us who lets it happen because of some misplaced belief that government “oppression” equals “national security”?

Since when did true conservatives agree to surrender their individual rights under the Constitution for the sake of some imagined temporary security? Since when have we become so afraid of some foreign terrorists that we shiver and hide under a blanket of imagined security offered up by those in power who feed on our fears? Since when have we forgotten the messages of the Founding Fathers, who understood so clearly that the greatest danger to our liberties is an oppressive government, not outside foreign forces? We should never fear those who are brave enough to speak out, but we should fear greatly those who would silence them.

We like to believe our nation is one that prizes individual liberty and freedom from authoritarian restraint, the dictates of hierarchy, or governmental limits. Throughout its history our nation’s soul has been based on anti-authoritarianism and fear of a large, tyrannical government. Our notion of liberty has been built upon a philosophy of limited government with the highest value placed on preservation of individual rights. Our nation’s political thought found its roots in the writings of John Locke, who stressed an insistence on imposing limits on authority, on governmental authority, in order to further individual rights and liberty. No wonder both liberal and republican traditions, although each in its own way and style, pride themselves in their eternal quest for ‘limited government’.

Our entire system of government and its institutions is grounded in an insistence that tyranny be combated and that individual liberty be protected from a potentially tyrannical government. The result is a suspicion of authority and an emphasis on limited government. Samuel Huntington, a well-known conservative Republican, states in American Politics: The Promise of Disharmony: “The distinctive aspect of the American Creed is its antigovernment character. Opposition to power, and suspicion of government as the most dangerous embodiment of power, are the central themes of American political thought.”

After 9/11 our president came out and warned us: “the terrorists are resolved to change the way of our lives. They hate our freedom and our way of life here.” Well Mr. President, we have come a long way since that awful day. Our way of privacy in communicating on the phone and through our computers, our way of detaining and prosecuting people, our way of trusting our records with our librarians, our way of reading and discussing dissent, our way of treating our ally nations, our way of making it from the airport gates to the airplanes…simply, our way of life, has surely changed drastically in five years. But, Mr. President, we don’t have the terrorists to blame for this. We only have you and our three branches of government to blame.


in other news, Tice's court case has been delayed.

and see here for my post yesterday about sibel and 911 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1773633
and for the full story here http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/07/sibel-911.html

and recent sibel, turkey and hastert here
http://www.counterpunch.org/mejia07252006.html and
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1750008

x-posted http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-have-nothing-to-hide.html
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:26 AM
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1. It's Unfortunate That In A 'War On Terror'
A lot of Americans are willing to buy into this bogus argument that they must give up 'privacy' in order to attain 'security'. What happened to all those Conservatives who mistrusted the Federal Government when Bill Clinton was in charge? Did they all just forget about those federal 'jack booted thugs'?
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:29 AM
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2. Accountability
Now is the time to come forward, not to reveal legitimately classified information, but to make yourselves available as witnesses and to serve the true supervisor of us all: the Constitution. Ordinarily one would expect the congress to be the guardian of our freedom by living up to its storied role as a check and balance to the President and the Executive Branch. But for four years, members of our Congress in supposed oversight committees were aware of illegal spying on American citizens. Co-opted by an unscrupulous commitment to secrecy and the state, intelligence oversight committees in Congress must step out of the way for a People’s hearing on the matter of presidentially ordered illegal surveillance. Congress must engage in a broad, public hearing of these matters.
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:04 AM
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4. To Give You An Example of The Mentality We Are Fighting
...here is some insight as to how the right-wing mindset works on the NSA/CIA Prison 'leak' cases:

Badeye: "You have to avoid answering why we shouldn't prosecute somebody that intentionally leaked highly classified material.
If you believe the Plame Investigation was warranted, then you have to support this one.

Sherlock: "Material that is classified in order to protect criminal acts by the government is classified illegally.
In the case of Plame, Wilson's wife was monitoring the sales of nuclear material in the Middle East. There has been no evidence presented so far that the Brewster, Jennings network was involved in illegal behaviour. In the case of torture prisons, the CIA was breaking U.S. law. Therefore, the 'leaker' was doing a public service in the prisons case, but not in the Plame case."

Badeye: "While I expected hypocrisy, I didn't expect you to be so bold about it.

We're done."





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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:49 AM
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3. K and R n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:19 AM
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5. A
kick for Sibel.:kick:
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Murtagh Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:32 AM
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6. Not every terrorist is in the middle east...beware Big Brother terror
Remember "It's a Wonderful life?" George Bailey didn't go to World War II because somebody had to make sure the country wasn't stolen by villains, because "Not every heel is in Germany!" Bailey knew the United States faces both foreign and domestic enemies.

Well, not every terrorist is in the middle east. We have to be careful of the terrorist Big Brother in our own government, and at Halliburton, at our Universities, and at hundreds of Kafkaesque institutions. Administration cronies have used the war as an excuse to steal everything that isn't nailed down.

Who believes that "law abiding citizens have nothing to hide, so we should tap everybody's phone?" Ridiculous! Out of context, most conversations can be distorted in a way we would not want. Do we want the government to have access to our most private medical records? Should they listen to conversations with our lovers or loved ones? Are there really people who have absolutely no skeleton in their closet?

Even mother Theresa could be set up I suspect if all her conversations were recorded. Worse, if her conversations were spliced together I'm sure her aid to wounded Muslim poor would have her sent to Guantanamo or some other Gulag.

Don't forget, the US government has spliced conversations together of even persons now regarded as heroic. Martin Luther King received spliced tapes from J. Edgar Hoover. We can't assume we have angels working in the government, as Madison said, or we would not need a government.

Even President Bush admits to college partying activity that he assuredly would not want to have been recorded by the government. He has refused to answer any question about anything he did before he was 40! Does he somehow believe that persons under 40 should be immune to the kind of scrutiny he is now suggestion should be routine?

In the Godfather, gangsters typically got whatever information they needed with a small bribe to a phone official or to a police chief. Corelone's power came from carrying judges and senators in his pocket "like so many nickles."

Make no mistake, allowing the government to tap phones indiscriminately will lead to horrible abuses. It will lead to blackmail against innocent citizens. It will allow the powerful to coerce the weak. Once this power is amassed, information will be used by criminals, possibly by those in the government who suppress dissent, and also by criminals who are always able to get information once it has been recorded.

In short, we must fight terrorists abroad, but also fight Orwellian terror here at home.

In the United States, the privacy of the humblest hovel is as protected as the Trump Tower from unreasonable searches under the Fourth Amendment. The Founding Fathers embraced William Pitt the Elder's lecture to the House of Commons in 1763: "The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter — all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement."

IF we let our government into our homes without warrant on the telephone, we are throwing away any right to privacy, any right to unreasonable search, and we are opening ourselves to the most penetrating baring of our secrets to strangers working for Big Brother. No one will have any defense against blackmail on real or imagined distortions of our conversations.

It would be the end of our democracy as we know it. Thanks Sibel for your great work!
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Murtagh Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:38 AM
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7. Guantanamomo”: Torture,Blow backk, and Innocence
I hope everyone has seen "Road to Guantanamo." This is exactly a case of terror inflicted by Big Brother while the real terrorist get away.


“They said we will make you wish to die and it will not happen “
- Ameen Saeed Al-Sheik, detainee No. 151362,

Does Innocence Matter? Does truth matter? Can American democracy spread through torture camps?
The searing docu-domentary “Road to Guantánamo” shows Americans the vivid depictions of beatings, torture, interrogation and death in the American gulag just 90 miles from our shore. This is the story of the “Tipton Three,” British citizens in the wrong place at the wrong time, captured and sent to American camps “X-ray” and “Delta” with absolutely no due process, and absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing.
Worse, the film reveals none of the roughly 600 detainees in Cuba have been found guilty of crime, and not one piece of usable intelligence was obtained. This reflects what courageous European journalists like David Rose have written in acclaimed books. Unfortunately, despite the books in evidence, the US press has been slow to alert the public to the true problem.
Ameen Saeed Al-Sheik said the prisoners at Abu ghraib and at Guantánamo were told they would wish for death, but not be allowed to die. Can there be a better description of true torture? More than sixty Guantánamo prisoners at least attempted suicide testifies to the Ameen's accuracy.
Identical torture methods have been exposed at Guantánamo and Abu ghraib. It is clear torture was systematic, planned, and sanctioned by the highest Dept. of Defense officials. Torture was not from a few “bad apple” low ranking solders. As David Rose exposed, Guantánamo was actually the prototype for American torture camps elsewhere, including Abu ghraib.
High-ranking U.S. officials decided in 2001 that torture would be used as an instrument of American policy.
Administration apologists try to redefine the meaning of torture, or to redefine the Geneva convention. But these same apologist officials lost all credibility with their claims of “Weapons of mass destruction.” Fool me once, shame on you. A series of supposed "slam-dunk" evidence proved absolutely false.
Americans can now see what happens at Guantanamo, and hear the words of the Tipton trio. Americans know torture when they see it, and no amount of artful dodging from Rumsfeld can change the stark, brutal fact of unjustified American gulags.
The victims of torture at Guantanamo and Abu ghraib suffer, but so do our own soldiers who are forced to inflict the torment.
“Blowback,” the unintended consequences of secret military operations on US society at home, was examined in the recent film, “Why we fight.” Torture incites the worst of all possible blowback, and we will all suffer the consequences. Toture not only inflames our enemies, it inflames our friends, and it inflames our own citizens to despair on our own pledge to support "justice for all."
German Chancellor Angela Merkel stated "An institution like Guantánamo in its present form cannot and must not exist in the long term."
Guantanamo proves due process is essential to any real anti-terrorist program. Instead of torturing the Tipton trio for years, these resources could have been used to find the real terrorists.
Americans have been hardened by abuses at Guantanamo and Abu ghraib to the point that some give up the hope of due process even here at home. The films “The Exonerated,” and “After Innocence” showed that absolutely innocent Amercians can and do end up on death row.
There is a kinship in the horrors of some of these films.
That leads me to the final outrage I felt as I watched Guantanamo: why is the mainstream press relatively silent? Where are the investigative journalists who can expose torture camps and abuse of civilians? Why did network news anchors not debate blowback as the tanks were rolling in to Baghdad?
My friends in the media tell me that network news is intensely competitive, and that they must emphasize entertainment values, and they must keep their corporate masters happy with the bottom line. News is a business, after all.
Now it seem the most important news comes to Americans through documentary films, and not through the networks. Is this a consequence of media consolidation, and that large conservative corporations now own our networks?
This never would have happened during the Vietnam war.
When I was growing up, I went to networks for the news, and I went to the movies for entertainment. Now, the roles appear reversed. In recent months I went to films to learn everything from global warming, to fraud in elections, to electric cars, to death in Africa.
Thank God movie makers now now make news a priority. Shame on the networks if they do not reverse course. Shame on Americans if we do not return to our core values, and do not end torture camps immediately.
Innocence does matter, both in our domestic justice system, and the justice we impose on others. I fear for my country if we do not remember the founding principles that made us who we are.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 10:25 AM
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9.  Hi Murtagh!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:52 AM
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8. Tice and ABLE DANGER - PANDORA'S BOX
Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 09:56 AM by seemslikeadream
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678

Able Danger is a Pandora's Box that will blow up in the RW's face.
Re-open the 9/11 investigation? BRING IT ON! Here's why:

So the responsibility for stopping DIA program Able Danger, which had Identified Atta and 3 other hijackers and linked them to 56 other al-Queda terrorists overseas, has been laid at the feet of Bill Clinton--except he and Richard Clarke were never told about it at all.

That's right. Bill Clinton was never told about Able Danger and the ID of Atta because Richard Clarke was never told about AD. How do I know? He never wrote about it in his book, nor did he testify about it's existence before the 9-11 Commission!

You see Richard Clarke was known for being obsessed with Osama Bin Laden and HE was the guy the neo-con moles did not want to find out about Atta and the gang. Schoomaker and the neo-cons knew telling the FBI would inform Clarke and then Mr. Laser Beam himself, President of the United State William Jefferson Clinton, would have gotten involved--and the Pearl Harbor-type attack would never take place (the neo-cons talked about the need for a Pearl Harbor-type attack before the PNAC Plan would be accepted by the American people--so when one presented itself, they let it happen).

General Pete Schoomaker, who were later heavily rewarded by the neo-cons in the Bush Administration, blocked the upward motion of the DIA information by having Shaffer and Philpott meet with Pentagon lawyers opinions--lawyers who were rubberstamping ridiculous legal opinions to carry out the neo-con plan. These certain people were neo-cons in the Clinton Administration, covertly carrying out the PNAC plan to let a Pearl Harbor-type attack occur so Iraq and 6 other countries could be invaded.


BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER
WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982

Specter Wants Answers About 'Able Danger'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1796658&mesg_id=1796658


NYT/Reuters: Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1795221&mesg_id=1795221

NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4836496

Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage! (really!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4846388&mesg_id=4846388

VIDEO-the Senate Judicial Committee ABLE DANGER saga
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Official: (Curt Weldon) Attack on Cole foreseen (ABLE DANGER)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1915365&mesg_id=1915365

New 9/11 Timeline update, with new Able Danger page
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Weldon seeks Defense testimony on al-Qaida
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1931300

Weldon rips 9/11 commission over intelligence failures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1959226

General gave OK for Able Danger (confirms al-Qaida mission prior to 9/11)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1973724
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 10:57 AM
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10. Nice article to show those that "have nothing to hide"...

In reading this article and thinking of it's "target audience", it does well to address those on the right's concerns of being monitored for their possession of arms.

Perhaps one step further is needed, which would really perhaps turn some heads. If some security whistleblower can be found that will come forth with information on how this administration IS looking at people's ownership of firearms and translating that into something that right wing gun owners would be afraid of, then that would be a nice "Ace" to play in getting them to realize that fear of an oppressive government isn't a partisan issue any more. I have to believe this sort of activity is going on now.
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