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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:31 PM
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Who are the most dangerous nations on the planet?
US and Israel for my take.
They've taken the religion of the missiles to prove it.
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:35 PM
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1. USA and Israel
The two most dangerous countries in the world are also the two nations that most engage in terrorist activities against civilian populations.

The United States is the ONLY country ever to have bombed civilians with a nuclear bomb. TWICE!
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:35 PM
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2. Right now I view the US as the most dangerous...
I don't include Israel mainly because their capabilities don't equal ours. What they're doing is a horrible and many countries in that area can destabilize the region as well as they can, I just don't put it on the same level as ours.
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:36 PM
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3. Sadly, with Bush and the Repigs, We are...
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:36 PM
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4. Us, maybe. Israel not so much.
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 07:37 PM by dave123williams
We're the only country that I can see of late that's starting wars for the fuck of it, in some bizzaro attempt at re-molding countries that have been screwed for 500 years.

Israel actually has a reason to be in Lebanon. Actually, they have quite a few good reasons to be there.

Why are we in Iraq again? What's this week's rationale for the invasion?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:41 PM
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7. There are no good reasons for murder.
There are no good reasons for war.

There are no good reasons for retribution.

There are no good reasons for harboring ancient grudges.

Today is today and the only way we can have a tomorrow is to focus on that tomorrow and leave yesterday behind.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:24 PM
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18. wrong, right, wrong and you're a naif.

1. There are a number of good reasons to start up the war machine. Defending yourself from aggression leaps to mind.

2. Retribution is a loosing game, for sure.

3. Ancient grudges tend to be legitimate ones. You don't have to harbor them so much as be aware that they exist, because somebody who *does* harbor them might blow your head off. See #1.

4. Tomorrow's going to come wheather we're here or not. It's the hubris of man that what we do counts for shit in this universe.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 08:56 AM
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27. At the risk of repeating myself
There is never, ever a good reason for war. You can defend yourself without war. War is an antiquated and brutal means at attempting to get what you want. It's stupid. There is never a good reason to toss bombs over your fence into your neighbor's backyard.

One can never go forward when one is constantly looking backward. It's ok to remember who stabbed you in the back, but this constant fighting of old wars is about as ignorant as it gets. You can't go back and untangle the web and set things right, you can only start with today and go forward.

Everything man does has an effect on the universe.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 12:53 AM
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31. Tossing bombs...

So, what are you supposed to do if your neighbor has decided that tossing bombs is OK? What then?

You're an idealist; I get it.

P.s. the size of our impact on the univers is less than negligable:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Size_of_the_universe

We're a zit on the nose of a flea's flea. Do you get it?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:39 PM
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5. USA and Israel
In that order.

The only reason Israel doesn't have the same capabilities as the US is because the US needs to be on top... You can't supply your good ally with the same munitions you have because you never know when today's good ally is going to be tomorrow's bad guy... just ask Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, among others...
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Literate Tar Heel Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:40 PM
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6. I guess my top 5
would look something like (considering both capability to cause worldwide havoc and the potential that they will):

1. USA
2. North Korea
3. China
4. Russia
5. Israel
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:42 PM
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8. Your list is good, but I think you have to consider allies
That changes things...
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:00 AM
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29. Great list - I agree 100%. (n/t)
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:44 PM
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9. Yep.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:44 PM
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10. Dangerous for who or what? n/t
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:29 PM
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20. Killing innocent civilians: USA and Israel. Damn. nt
nt
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:47 PM
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22. By that standard, Sudan would be much more dangerous.
Wouldn't it?
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:45 PM
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11. history!
Britain belongs on that list. It is a triumverate after all, and in every stinking
foreigin policy mess the US has been up to the past half century, britain is right
in there as well, and inseparable as a political agency.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:48 PM
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12. I think Britain just can't give up the idea of empire and even
if they don't actively pursue it themselves anymore, they don't mind hanging on the coattails of those who do. IMHO.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:54 PM
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17. The original neoliberals
The british did neoliberalism centuries ago, and know all about how it works and how to
observe and cooperate with an ex-colony to achieve neoliberal objectives.

There are no political oppositions to neoliberalism, labour, the torys, and in the US,
the dems and pukes, all signed on to the neoliberal race to the bottom.

It is an ideological threat, the extremists neoliberals terrorists nutjobs, that they
don't even realize its ideological their erosion of civil society and democracy, is
further evidence to how dangerous it is, even the drivers don't know what they're doing.
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:58 PM
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26. Dante's conga line: israel, US and Britain. nt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:48 PM
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13. USA and Israel n/t
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:51 PM
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14. I agree. nt
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cool user name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:52 PM
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15. The Europeans did a poll a few years back ..
Something about "Who's the biggest threat to World Peace?"

Number 1: USA

Number 2: Israel

Nothing more need be said. We might think we are the greatest thing since sliced bread but if the world perception of us is piss poor, then we have major problems.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:54 PM
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16. Canada and Finland
Canada has abundant supplies of uranium ore, and the Finns are traditionally into whaling.

The Canadian Nuclear Threat(TM) is real.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 03:14 AM
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32. Um, Finland is definitely in the anti-whaling camp
Perhaps you are confusing it with Norway or Denmark
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:42 AM
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33. Oh, you're right, I was thinking of Iceland
Thanks.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:26 PM
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19. Well, mighty Grenada isn't any more.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:38 PM
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21. I remember the good old days, when Nicaragua was the great threat.
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:48 PM
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23. I agree with your post. n/t
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:51 PM
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24. East Timor. They are the only real threat. ( n/t )
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:58 PM
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25. In many ways the question is invalid
or rather it can be answered with; it all depends. Paradoxically, the U.S., for example, is both a danger and a stabilizing force. Nothing is as simple as x is the most dangerous country on earth.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 08:58 AM
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28. Can you name one thing that has been stabilized by the US
in recent history? Seems to me every time the US gets involved with anything, it pisses the rest of the world off and makes things far worse.

Stabilizing force? We are about as unstable as it gets.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:01 AM
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30. Just the USA
I can't imagine any other country just randomly invading anywhere and killing a hundred thousand people.
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