People are going to be shocked when they hear who was spied upon?

Al Gore might suspect he was spied upon? Perhaps he was? But there are more. Will we ever know? Yes, I think we will. The truth can only be concealed for a time. Eventually, it will awaken and escape the chains of delusion that have wrapped it in the darkness. It is coming, I am sure.

Hurry it up, please.

The suspense is killing me!!

then propaganda and media feeding the people spied against terrorist and questions were no longer opposed to spying against americans, but opposed to spying against terrorists. i think people were conditioned to seeing this bush protect us. i think they fell for it all. when they hear some of the people and groups being spied on that will jolt them.... again. into anger and bush lying ....... again

what the MSM is showing non-literate Americans. Much, but not all, of what we already know about the crimes of BushCo will be repackaged and retransmitted in the next few months.

Their news cycle is a delayed tape loop of images edited together to reinforce timed psychological themes of monsterous threats and of heroic salvation. Expect Iran -- and a scapegoat within the Bush Administration -- to play a big part as the villains in this piece, and John McCain to enter as the heroic champion on a big white horse.

I wonder...

These scandals are all being laid out like a smooth carpet to speed his easy ascendancy as hero of the Republican Party.

If the only point were justice, the whole Executive and half the GOP leadership would be in custody. We'll see selective prosecutions -- but not decapitation. They're being very careful not to radically upset the status quo. It's an orderly transition.

to be a sticking point for me.

the day New Orleans drowned. The mud hasn't splattered nearly thick enough on McCain so he's damaged goods as far as a leadership of the "reform" wing of the GOP is concerned. He's being groomed by the best handlers they got, and has Teddy Roosevelt stamped on him already.

with something other than Al Queda connections/purposes, say just old fashioned political dirty tricks, impeachment would be much, much easier...

with such power in their hands. I would bet a dollar to a donut political enemies and members of the press have been spied upon...many of them.

That's been widely reported since last summer. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8017664/site/newsweek/

He's just the one they've told us about; it's safe to say, that's been a pretty widespread practice in this Administration.

"The senators agreed Bolton's initial NSA requests for U.S. names were legit".

This story doesn't refer to, discuss or imply anything about warrantless searches (wiretapping), but rather to the use of uncensored transcripts from presumably legal intel sources.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001174.php

Bill Richardson thinks he was monitored. I am not sure, but Bolton would have had an interest in what Richardson was doing with the North Koreans. It is not clear to me why it would be inappropriate to monitor North Korean interactions with anyone, including Richardson -- whose name would have been redacted from the intercepts. What does bother me was Bolton's interest in a policy area as well as the names of specific people in an arena he had been fenced off from. Bolton was working overtime to undermine Colin Powell and staff on its Korea Peninsula diplomacy.

Of the ten intercepts that Bolton requested to know the identities of 18 American individuals whose identities had been redacted, we know that two of the intercepts were based on international communications.

One of these transcripts was leaked to Douglas Jehl of the New York Times and had to do with American corporate activity in China. Another of these intercepts -- or at least the contents of such -- came the way of TWN and dealt with American policy towards Libya. The name of the individual requested by Bolton was then Assistant Secretary for Near East Affairs William Burns. Although TWN has not had any other direct contact with the actual content of other Bolton-related NSA intercepts, we have had contact with some who are knowledgeable about such intercepts and have had discussions with those who have made sophisticated calculations about what the transcripts were about.

TWN also suspects -- but has not confirmed -- that the U.S. government official who was congratulated by Bolton after Bolton read something in an intercept was former Assistant Secretary of State for Non-Proliferation John Wolf. But this is speculation -- not confirmed information. In all of my discussions with people about these intercepts, none -- other than the Richardson/North Korea matter which might have been monitored domestically -- ever had a "domestic spying" dimension to it.

The names that most suspected of being on the roster of names requested by Bolton might have been John Wolf, Richard Armitage, William Burns, and others. Or, they might have been names we simply do not know and which would not be easily recognized except by those familiar with working staff inside the national security and diplomatic bureaucracy. In my view, Bolton was spying on his colleagues. He was engaged in a turf war with others in his Department and was attempting to systematically undermine his overseers, Colin Powell and Richard Armitage. Someone quite familiar with Bolton's activities -- and not Lawrence Wilkerson (just to make that clear) -- told me that his intercept activity demonstrated no high crimes but rather "poor judgment and personal vanity."

Okay, so Bolton appears to have perhaps broken the law with only one of his colleagues -- Bill Richardson, the one former Democrat on the list -- but, was involved in a pattern and practice of survellance of those Republicans who weren't enthusiatically playing ball with the neocons in Iraq. This, if nothing else, highlights the partisan aspect of the scandal.

SNIP

Why else would they act the way they do?

could they of spied on them? they would of been tempted for sure...

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Hello ass wipe! Ever hear of the constitution? It is time to tell what you know and who you have illegally spied on.

Chill.

This is an "open source" site. No one can have any expectation of privacy in his or her communications here. No need for a warrant -- we're not being illegally spied on.

By the way, we should be civil with everyone at DU. Even our minders. B-)

BTW, Mike - do tell, who HAVE you been illegally spying on, anyway?

If I'm not mistaken the mods here at DU used to be able to see our personal info. That was changed once some longtime trolls were exposed.

I know this site is open, it is what they do once they find out who is participating in discussions here.
My post was not totally serious but the violation of personal rights is very important to me and I would like to know the complete truth of this illegal spying. Are you agent Mike?

that the NSA or DoD knows the real identities of most of the people who post virulently anti-Chimp comments on this forum. I would be shocked if they did not. I assume that ANYONE who is publicly left is being monitored.

We live in the KGB state.

"Unfreindly" reporters. Michael Moore. Cindy Sheehan. Everyone at AAR.

Do you really think otherwise?

It's not just them, its all of us as well that have had our rights violated, and to what extent, its difficult to know.

in order to be able to "detect" when Osama calls anyone.

Which means that pretty much everyone is being spied upon.

spied upon, they don't realize the danger taht is King George

It's when we discover they have been spying on high profile people with no possible explanation for why except a political hit list. That's what I'm curious about. The big names I'll recognize.

I think they probably have been monitoring some members of Congress (maybe even some in their own party like McCain). Kucinich and Boxer. Conyers. I bet they have been monitoring Michael Moore too. Cindy Sheehan, for sure. All the peace groups. The Wilsons. Sibel Edmunds. People like Aaron McGruder or Al Franken. Molly Ivins. Maybe even Pat Robertson. Who knows? The eavesdroppers in DC have lots of enemies.

When the names come out it will be obvious that domestic spying isn't really all about uncovering al-Q cells.