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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:40 AM
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Dkos: FirstFruits - NSA Spying just might be worse than we ever expected
Also first reported on Truthout, sourced from a former NSA employee.


NSA spied on its own employees, other U.S. intelligence personnel, and their journalist and congressional contacts. WMR has learned that the National Security Agency (NSA), on the orders of the Bush administration, eavesdropped on the private conversations and e-mail of its own employees, employees of other U.S. intelligence agencies -- including the CIA and DIA -- and their contacts in the media, Congress, and oversight agencies and offices.

The journalist surveillance program, code named "Firstfruits," was part of a Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) program that was maintained at least until October 2004 and was authorized by then-DCI Porter Goss. Firstfruits was authorized as part of a DCI "Countering Denial and Deception" program responsible to an entity known as the Foreign Denial and Deception Committee (FDDC). Since the intelligence community's reorganization, the DCI has been replaced by the Director of National Intelligence headed by John Negroponte and his deputy, former NSA director Gen. Michael Hayden.

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In addition, beginning in 2001 but before the 9-11 attacks, NSA began to target anyone in the U.S. intelligence community who was deemed a "disgruntled employee." According to NSA sources, this surveillance was a violation of United States Signals Intelligence Directive (USSID) 18 and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. The surveillance of U.S. intelligence personnel by other intelligence personnel in the United States and abroad was conducted without any warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. The targeted U.S. intelligence agency personnel included those who made contact with members of the media, including the journalists targeted by Firstfruits, as well as members of Congress, Inspectors General, and other oversight agencies. Those discovered to have spoken to journalists and oversight personnel were subjected to sudden clearance revocation and termination as "security risks."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/19/14619/9977


This story dovetails nicely with the ACLU FOIA documents and lawsuit against the NSA and FBI for spying on Activist Groups such as Greenpeace, in addition to the NYTimes story that almost none of the NSA leads provided to FBI have had anything to do with terrorists. All together this suggests that FISA was bypassed for NSA by design to identify political, not terrorist, targets with the ultimate goal being the creation of thousands of detailed FBI files of the Bush Administration's opposition - ripe for data mining.

Vyan
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:43 AM
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1. they have overthrown our legitimate government.
it has been a coup.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:18 PM
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13. It certainly looks that way, doesn't it
...
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:45 AM
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2. If true, IMPEACHMENT IS ONLY SOLUTION!!!
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:18 PM
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33. Bring on those articles of chimpeachment!
These articles to be referred to the House Judiciary Committee.

<snip>

Resolved, that George Walker Bush, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and the following articles be exhibited to the Senate:

Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against George Walker Bush, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.

Article 1.

In his conduct while President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duties as Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, willfully, knowingly and without lawful cause or excuse made false, misleading and deceitful statements to the Congress regarding evidence justifying military action against Iraq.

In doing this, George Walker Bush has brought disrepute upon the Presidency, has undermined the integrity of his office, has betrayed his trust as President and has acted in a manner subversive of constitutional government and the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, by such conduct, George Walker Bush warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

Article 2.

In his conduct while President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duties as Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, actively conspired with the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and certain other officials of the Government of the United Kingdom to mislead and deceive Congress and the Parliament of the United Kingdom regarding evidence justifying military action against Iraq with the purpose of evading the Kellogg-Briand Pact, the Charter of the United Nations and other treaties signed and ratified by the United States regarding the conduct of war.

In doing this, George Walker Bush has brought disrepute upon the Presidency and the United States, has undermined the integrity of his office, has betrayed his trust as President and has acted in a manner subversive of constitutional government and the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, by such conduct, George Walker Bush warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

Article 3.

In his conduct while President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duties as Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, knew or had reason to know of a decision by the Secretary of Defense to divert funds appropriated for action in Afghanistan to develop plans for action in Iraq, and failed to prevent this action even though said action was contrary to appropriations as enacted by the Congress.

In doing this, George Walker Bush has brought disrepute upon the Presidency, has undermined the integrity of his office, has betrayed his trust as President and has acted in a manner grossly derelict of his constitutional duties, to the manifest injury of the people of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, by such conduct, George Walker Bush warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

Article 4.

In his conduct while President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duties as Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, directed the falsification and fabrication of evidence and intelligence supporting the case for military action against Iraq with the purpose of evading the Kellogg-Briand Pact, the United Nations Charter and other treaties signed and ratified by the United States regarding the conduct of war.

In doing this, George Walker Bush has brought disrepute upon the Presidency and the United States, has undermined the integrity of his office, has betrayed his trust as President and has acted in a manner subversive of constitutional government and the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, by such conduct, George Walker Bush warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

Article 5.

Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duties as Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, communicated to the Congress, as per the requirements of Public Law No: 107-243 (Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002) that military action against Iraq was justified because Iraq gave aid and comfort to the perpetrators of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001; even though George Walker Bush knew the evidence that supposedly supported this determination was false and fabricated.

In doing this, George Walker Bush has brought disrepute upon the Presidency, has undermined the integrity of his office, has betrayed his trust as President and has acted in a manner subversive of constitutional government and the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, by such conduct, George Walker Bush warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

Article 6.

In his conduct while President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, knew or had reason to know of the unlawful disclosure of a covert Central Intelligence agent's identity and failed to prevent said disclosure even though the agent's identity was classified as "secret" and said disclosure caused serious damage to the security of the United States.

In doing this, George Walker Bush has brought disrepute upon the Presidency, has undermined the integrity of his office, has betrayed his trust as President and has acted in a manner grossly derelict of his constitutional duties, to the manifest injury of the people of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, by such conduct, George Walker Bush warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

Article 7.

In his conduct while President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, failed to take corrective action against the members of his staff involved in the unlawful disclosure of a covert Central Intelligence agent's identity even though the agent's identity was known by George Walker Bush to be classified as "secret" and said disclosure caused serious damage to the security of the United States.

In doing this, George Walker Bush has brought disrepute upon the Presidency, has undermined the integrity of his office, has betrayed his trust as President and has acted in a manner grossly derelict of his constitutional duties, to the manifest injury of the people of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, by such conduct, George Walker Bush warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

Article 8.

Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, George Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, willfully, knowingly and without lawful authority, cause or excuse authorized the National Security Agency to conduct surveillance on American citizens without obtaining a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court as required by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 and the Wiretap Act.

George Walker Bush, in making this authorization, interposed the powers of the Presidency against the authority of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and assumed to himself judgments and functions necessary to determining whether surveillance is appropriate that is the sole prerogative of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

In doing this, George Walker Bush has brought disrepute upon the Presidency and the United States, has undermined the integrity of his office, has betrayed his trust as President and has acted in a manner subversive of constitutional government and the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, by such conduct, George Walker Bush warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:48 AM
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No wonder we were attacked on 9/11 - everyone was already busy
spying on each other.

Tell me again who this benefits?
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:48 AM
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3. Has Anybody Made a Connection Between This and Plame?
Seriously... did they use wiretapping to expose who Valerie really was? And where are these tapes?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:49 AM
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4. Yes, If they tapped Wilson, they would have KNOWN Plame was covert CIA.
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 11:49 AM by jsamuel
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:55 AM
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6. No...
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 11:56 AM by Vyan
Fitz has already indicated that they got the Plame information without a tap --- all Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby had to do was ask and their contacts at CIA and State.

Vyan
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:05 PM
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8. very true, but they still could have overheard it on a line
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:51 PM
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23. you bet!! its exactly how it came about!! and its why they are
keeping sibel edmonds from testifying!!

fly
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Trish1168 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:54 AM
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5. kicked
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 11:55 AM
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7. k&r thanks Vyan..and a hearty welcome to du!!!!..n/t
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:05 PM
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9. MMm article by Wayne Madsen..
maybe this is all smoke and mirrors...
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:11 PM
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10. Yes, I have my doubts as well...
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 12:14 PM by Vyan
that's why I posted "might be" in the title. This needs more research and more verification - problem is, the people who can answer the question would be violating National Security to do so.

My first reaction was this is too wacky to believe, but if you look at what we do know about the actions of the NSA, FBI, DIA and John Bolton (using NSA intercepts to spy on State Dept Employees) - it's starts to fit.

Even Drudge gets it right every once in a while...

Vyan
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:13 PM
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11. Were Sibel and others swept up this way? Any bets? Maybe this
can help her case get heard, finally!?

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:48 PM
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21. yes indeed it is how Sibel got swept up..but more important..its the cover
up needed to keep her silent so these neo cons could keep up their bullshit spying..!

who wants to bet this is why Fitz is holding back on Rove??

he is holding back to get it all and get them all!! he does not want to close out his investigation till he gets all the big fish...its all inter connected!!

fly
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:50 PM
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26. I hope you're right. And I agree
the web of connections to everything they do is unreal and beyond the scope of belief for most Americans.

On the other hand, this will take years to sort out and even if it all comes to light by then the neo-cons will have accomplished their mission, stored their profits in off-shore accounts, and may well live happily ever after with their well-chosen Supreme court.

That old saying: ignorance is bliss - it has it's merits sometimes. Because knowing - and being able to do nothing about it - sucks a big one!

pj

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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:17 PM
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12. Remember when all those congress people were searched?
Dingell was one--there were several who were put on risk lists for flight and they would be detained and searched (I think Gore was put through this twice)

Wonder if this could be the reason they were flagged?
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:20 PM
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14. Could be...
NSA has been sharing target information with other agencies such as FBI and DIA. I don't see why they wouldn't share with DHS and TSA, although I think the last I'd heard the TIPOFF (No-Fly) list was not being updated by the terror watch list.

Vyan
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:45 PM
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18. remember the general who was taken down a notch the day his divorce was
final..it was such a bogus charge..having an affair..while he was seperated..??

he was sanctioned and taken down a notch shortly before his retirement and his commanders were all immediately sent to Iraq...dang i can't remember his name...wanna bet there was going to be a military coup...?? many of us thought so at the time...


fly
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:54 PM
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24. General Kevin P Byrnes, 4-Star TRADOC Commander ....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/margaret-carlson/the-wrong-general_b_5595.html

Those speculating about Sibel, about what Bolton was doing (and may still be), about intercepts between Wilson and his wife (not that Cheney wouldn't have access to her NOC status, but to listen in on what she and her husband and maybe several of her CIA colleagues were discussing about the truth as opposed to what we were being told about Iraqi WMD), etc .... all reasonable speculations. The NSA penetrates everything in the electromagnetic spectrum, irrespective of medium ...


Peace.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:24 PM
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34. I remember that but cannot recall his name either! eom
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:28 PM
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15. A friend of mine got his FBI file by FOIA
They've been monitoring him for several years. He is a peace activist, and a FORMER CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE!

I'm gonna try to get mine.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:48 PM
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20. ya know, i have tried a couple of times
to get the form, etc from the fbi web site, but it will not load the pdf form. hmmmm......
but, that is only the fbi.
i am very curious myself.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:37 PM
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28. Oh wow
Did Randi ever get her FBI profile? I remember before the Christmas break she said she was going to try to get her file and look through it. Oh and remember the anthrax attacks? Do you think this is how they know who to target?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:30 PM
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16. I think they are worried about a coup
I've heard other stories that hinted at this too.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:42 PM
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17. mihop- they wanted to know if it was safe to go forward.
they wanted to know if anyone was leaking before hand.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:48 PM
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19. You've got to be fucking kidding me.
They actually called something the "Foreign Denial and Deception Committee."
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:49 PM
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22. WAYNE MADSEN ALERT
Original author is a known bullshit conduit!
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 01:20 PM
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25. Already noted...
Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 01:22 PM by Vyan
This has to be looked at with some skepticism, but even though the source is somewhat questionable - he still might be on to something.

What's needed is some independent corroboration, from other sources.

Vyan
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:33 PM
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27. Beat me to it. nt
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:59 PM
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29. Echelon spies on everyone.
The program is an electronic communications vacuum cleaner - snarfing up who talked to whom when and what keywords were contained in their conversations. The results go into a gigunda database that then can be data-mined by anyone with access for any purpose that they want. The key questions here are when was echelon turned on for domestic communications AND more importantly, who had access to the data, and what use did they make with that access.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:02 PM
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30. Prepare for the freeper spin - here it is...
We had to spy on disgruntled employees to make sure they weren't passing sensitive information to our enemies. You're not questioning the president's integrity, are you? How un-American.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:12 PM
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31. Well,
there is some truth to that arguement, it's just that they shouldn't be using NSA resources to do it without a warrant.

In many ways this has been going on for some time. During the 80's I used to work for Northrop-Grumman on the B2 project, and back then there was a B2 employee who had run up a ton of debts and decided to sell some sensitive documents to the Russians. His brilliant plan included calling the Russian embassy in San Francisco - which was being bugged by the FBI.

The Russians new about the bugging and hung up on him, but the FBI called him back and setup of a sting operation. They caught him with two classified documents in his possession, and gave him a life sentence for each.

His name was Thomas Cavanaugh.

Vyan
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:48 PM
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32. NSA sucks; n/t
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