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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:27 PM
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Poll question: reaction to Pelosi ethics proposal
For those who missed it, here is the gist of her press release:


“Democrats are leading the effort to turn the most closed, corrupt Congress in history into the most open and honest Congress in history.

“That is why, with our Democratic Declaration of Honest Leadership and Open Government, we are pledging to enact and enforce legislation that will:

* Ban all gifts and travel from lobbyists. Period.
* Kill the K Street Project, the Republican plan that trades favors for lobbying jobs, and toughen public disclosure of lobbyist activity.
* Remove the revolving door by doubling the amount of time Members and staff are prohibited from going from legislating to lobbying. Stop legislators from negotiating legislation, while also negotiating employment contracts for themselves with those who benefit from that legislation. Keep former Members who are lobbyists off the floor of Congress.
* Next we would end the ‘dead of night’ special interest provisions that turn bills into special-interest giveaways. Lawmakers must have the opportunity to read every bill before they vote on it. It’s common sense.

“When it comes to contracting and cronyism, we intend to:

* Eliminate the practice of irresponsible no-bid contracts, bring criminal penalties against war profiteers, and ensure that the government contracting process is honest, open, competitive, and fair. No more Halliburtons.
* Prohibit cronyism in key appointments by making sure any individual appointed to a position has proven credentials. Brownie certainly wasn’t doing a ‘heck of a job’ for the survivors of Hurricane Katrina.

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/press/releases/Jan06/honest.html

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:31 PM
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1. Get rid of pet pork projects!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:36 PM
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4. LINK: My favorite pork project
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:35 PM
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2. I like it all but especially the "dead of night" clause
I know they all do it, but IMHO it's illegal.
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khashka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:35 PM
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3. It's a start
Pelosi's not a stupid woman. She's very smart and knows the ropes. I suspect this will sink like a lead balloon. But it's the first volley in a declaration of war.

Khash.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:36 PM
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5. Can you give money to a policeman? (I mean legally) or
to a judge? How about a politician -- Oh that's different!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:41 PM
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6. That would be a good commercial for clean money! You should send it
to them:

http://www.caclean.org/

Except you can give money to judges in states where they run for office.


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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:47 PM
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7. needs specifics on war profiteering & Gen. Smedley Butler Bill
Marine Corps general, two time Medal of Honor winner, scourge of war profiteers:

The World War, rather our brief participation in it, has cost the United States some $52,000,000,000. Figure it out. That means $400 to every American man, woman, and child. And we haven't paid the debt yet. We are paying it, our children will pay it, and our children's children probably still will be paying the cost of that war.

The normal profits of a business concern in the United States are six, eight, ten, and sometimes twelve percent. But war-time profits – ah! that is another matter – twenty, sixty, one hundred, three hundred, and even eighteen hundred per cent – the sky is the limit. All that traffic will bear. Uncle Sam has the money. Let's get it.

Of course, it isn't put that crudely in war time. It is dressed into speeches about patriotism, love of country, and "we must all put our shoulders to the wheel," but the profits jump and leap and skyrocket – and are safely pocketed. Let's just take a few examples:

Take our friends the du Ponts, the powder people – didn't one of them testify before a Senate committee recently that their powder won the war? Or saved the world for democracy? Or something? How did they do in the war? They were a patriotic corporation. Well, the average earnings of the du Ponts for the period 1910 to 1914 were $6,000,000 a year. It wasn't much, but the du Ponts managed to get along on it. Now let's look at their average yearly profit during the war years, 1914 to 1918. Fifty-eight million dollars a year profit we find! Nearly ten times that of normal times, and the profits of normal times were pretty good. An increase in profits of more than 950 per cent.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:53 PM
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8. Gen. Butler's solution for war profiteers: Pay CEOs soldiers salaries
during war:


The only way to smash this racket is to conscript capital and industry and labor before the nations manhood can be conscripted. One month before the Government can conscript the young men of the nation – it must conscript capital and industry and labor. Let the officers and the directors and the high-powered executives of our armament factories and our munitions makers and our shipbuilders and our airplane builders and the manufacturers of all the other things that provide profit in war time as well as the bankers and the speculators, be conscripted – to get $30 a month, the same wage as the lads in the trenches get.

Let the workers in these plants get the same wages – all the workers, all presidents, all executives, all directors, all managers, all bankers –

yes, and all generals and all admirals and all officers and all politicians and all government office holders – everyone in the nation be restricted to a total monthly income not to exceed that paid to the soldier in the trenches!

Let all these kings and tycoons and masters of business and all those workers in industry and all our senators and governors and majors pay half of their monthly $30 wage to their families and pay war risk insurance and buy Liberty Bonds.

Why shouldn't they?

They aren't running any risk of being killed or of having their bodies mangled or their minds shattered. They aren't sleeping in muddy trenches. They aren't hungry. The soldiers are!


http://www.hackvan.com/pub/stig/anti-govt/war-is-a-racket.htm
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 09:37 PM
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9. positive but few responses--a bad sign for the Pelosicrat
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