I have an innocent question about Marijuana

Well, as innocent as a question about Marijuana could be.

I'm in my 40s. I've been reading "news about the killer weed Marijuana" since I was about six. Never smoked any, just read lots of stuff about it.

Every article written, sponsored or otherwise fomented by the government in all that time claims that today's Marijuana is 20 times stronger than the Marijuana of the past.

Now help me out with my understanding of Marijuana: from everything I've been told, the psychoactive ingredients in Marijuana are mostly found in black-colored resins. The more resins, the more powerful the Marijuana is.

If this is true, and no doubt it is because the government would never lie to you, and the quality of the Marijuana you can buy from your friendly neighborhood sidewalk pharmacy increases twentyfold every year, at some point in time Marijuana should look like roofing cement and you'll need a trowel to roll a joint. I am correct in assuming this, right?

Now here's the actual question. If pot from 2006 is over ten thousand times more potent than pot from 1969 was, how come every time they show the spoils of a Marijuana Bust on the news, the pot still looks like oregano?

but the buds are stickier with resin.

THC concentrations are higher because of plant breeding.

one hundred generations removed from the most
powerful sensimilla hybrids in the early nineties.

Pot here is 100% hydroponic. In some operations the
nutrients are delivered by timers. The plants are
also gassed with extra CO2 to force budding. The
plants are culled to remove female plants. Bud only
no seed is the rule. Seed is bought or raised in a
separate grow op.

I have seen buds that are coated with white pure
THC resin crystals. This is sometimes brushed off
and kept by sellers as a form of crystal hash before
the bud is sold.

Canadian bud is not for novices or week-enders which
is why I stopped smoking.

Shouldn't that be the THC-free males?

Being that producing THC is the whole point of this exercise and all.

No males = no seed.

Its hard to tell a male plant until part way in to flowering,
so if you're just using seeds from pot you've gotten somewhere, the
males are culled in to flowering, and are fine for baking and chocolate,
just grind them up in to a fine powder, and the active ingredient works
with any "fatty" food as THC is not absorbed in water.

Seed == less potency. That is why people prefer sensamilla (without seed).
Growers tend to find a few females with good smoke, and keep cloning them
generation to generation when they get a good one, that growing from seed,
and the "unknown" of a male is for amateur growers, really, as the industry
uses clones with known genetic results to avoid the time-delay of waiting
for seeds to sprout.

All the green matter from the plant, leaves will get you stoned off your can,
but people don't trade in leaves as the thread suggests, people are seeking
a more potent form, but in eating it, even a male plant with a low potency
is fine in food.

hpo is really potent and the growers
have it down to acience up here

BTW are you sure you aren't being a little dishonest, you sure know a lot about pot, :shrug: come on fess up.

The weed wasn't as good but the hash was OK. I had some weed recently that was excellent - smooth and a creamy high. Gold.

hallucinogenic

That'll give ya a buzz.

:wow:

Very dreamy!

It made me giggle a lot. Then it made me hungry. That was it.

was far better than anything available today, even that northern california weed.

One hit pot was really one hit pot. LOL

And for the record, the high mainly comes from crystalline THC. Overall Schwag bud is as crappy as it ever was, including the sixties (though I wasn't born yet, I've been told such). But now we have some killer Kind bud with crystals poppin right out at ya. But the funny thing is though you don't need as much to get high, it is a far cleaner and enjoyable high with less headaches afterwards.

All pot being stronger means is you get more for your money. At the end of the day it is still a COMPLTELY HARMLESS drug that should be legalized ASAP.

If you collect a bunch of it together it turns into a dark mass of gooey stuff (hash).

There have always been potent varieties, but in the 60's (for example) they were harder to find than the common mexican stuff. Those potent strains were selectively bred to produce the high quality pot we see today.

There is probably a point where the THC levels are as high as they can get. We may be there already.

or good ol' homegrown.. (right there, under the bird feeder, honest officer, I had no idea.. must've been in the birdseed)

The AVERAGE potency has gone up, meaning there is more 'dank' or potent bud around than before. This is due to refined growing processes, better equipment, internet guides, etc. Furthermore, more potent marijuana is considered healthier since a user needs to smoke less to achieve the desired high.

You should be aware that the feds have closed all the best sites in the past year. Amazing, but true.

All the hardware and the techniques are great, but the high quality stuff we see now comes from selective breeding, namely crossing dense, resinous, Afghani Kush (Indica) with extremely high potency Thai and Pakistani Sativas. These crosses (Halfie-Affie) were done by guerilla botanists in California during the seventies and eighties and continued selective breeding has made them stronger and stronger. The genetics of the plant is by far the most important factor determining the potency of the finished product.

The law weighs all the cannabis, and does not weigh the active ingredient,
so expedience suggests to keep the bulk smaller, and hence the drive for potency.

But the crosses. The sattiva plant, is a tropical plant, and can't handle cold outdoor
climates, as well it is a very tall plant, one that is not easy to grow indoors without
pruning. As well, the sattiva plant can take 3-4 months to flower.

The indica versions grow at higher altitude and have adapted to a shorter fall and
flowering season, producing its buds in 7-10 weeks depending on the variety.

Given that both plants are "cannabis" and are similarly strong, just different in high,
commercial growers stick to the fastest budding species so they can turn over the costs
of the lighting electricity. Outdoor grows are cheap and dangerous, so professional
growers use large indoor grows powered by diesel generators, so that the electric bill
is not apparent. Such growers prefer, like any business, to use efficient varieties,
and the short flowering time.

Indica is known for its "couch lock" properties, where the stone can put you to sleep
or really make you kinda drowsy.

Sattiva's by contrast are known for their "bright" highs, very different due to other
active chemicals in the mix besides THC.

So, whilst i agree that "the genetics of the plant by far the most important factor determining the potency of the finished product.", i don't accept that the genetic
crossing has been done for potency purposes, but rather for flowering times and
plant manageablity. (as well as taste by the elite growers who grow it like wine)

But the wine growers are "in the closet" still, and knowledge is fluffy.

The original post suggested that the resins were black. The trichromes are white when the
plant is first flowering, and they change to an amber colour. Different species can have
a subtly different looking flower, but the trichromes are similar:
http://www.cannabis-seeds.co.uk/seed-banks/24/dutch-passion-feminised.html

Well....indeed it has been done for potency purposes! I've done plenty of it myself.

It just depends on what you want to breed for. That's why its called selective breeding. You can selectively breed for early finishing bud, Sativa high and Indica low, medicinal effects for a particular ailment, THC content, or whatever other traits you might find desirable.

My point, not to discount yours, is that as long as supply is commercial,
the economic behavour of increasing yield and reducing budding times is
part of maximizing the output of a farm for profit. And as many as private
closet growers have the luxury of crossing a shiraz grape with a gamay grape for taste,
the commerical grower is pushing yield to improve his/her bottom line.

The law is complicit in this by the 99 plant rule (over which penalities are much more severe),
and the simple posession laws that do not consider the potency of the grass,
only its weight (and volume) for smuggling/concealing purposes.

Our drugs laws have pushed the potency, as an unintended side effect, and
as much as individual growers might selectively breed to their hearts content,
the corporate growers, however unincorporated, are a principal driver behind
general improvements in potency.

The overall result is people just smoke less. That's healthy.

As an example you can't buy Thai stick any more (Thai Sativa dipped in hash oil) which from what I've heard would knock you on your ass. That was during the Vietnam era. THC was just more concentrated back in the day, and people smoked more. The effects are the same regardless of how many resin glands are on a single plant.

and ask that question about pot like Flakey Foont would....LOL

No slam but R.Crumb would smile too.

First, the seeds from the more satisfying dope was carried over. More dope was grown indoors, for obvious reasons, and pollination was done by hand. That accounted for a very slight increase. Second, the cultivation method changed, and dope scheduled for consumption and not seed productionwas harvested just as soon as it budded, before it set seed. That maximixed the resin content. That also caused a slight increase.

Other than that, it's your father's dope. It's not ten thousand times as strong, it won't destroy ambition or make you senile before your time, it won't make you sterile and unable to reproduce, it is not addictive, and if you're nuts enough to try to smoke it like tobacco, you'll likely go to sleep after the first three joints.

It's the closest thing we have to a benign drug. It's a gift to us from our planet. It needs to be legal. Period.

The sinsemilla bud (no seeds) is not harvested before the seed is set. It is unpollinated by male plants, so it does not make any seed. The plants are allowed to mature and the swollen seedless buds are the desired result.

See my post above concerning selective breeding.

because it sets off my asthma. I do remember my friends talking about harvesting before seeds were set, though.

Still, the increases in potency were all slight ones. The "Killer Weed" propaganda from the DEA is just another pack of stupid lies to make suburban parents feel good about the war on drugs.

Legalize it.

of marijuana is because most long-term homeless people are on or have been on some type of illegal drug. (For those of you who disagree with this statement, go down to your local homeless shelter.)

Honestly, if alcohol were discovered today, it would be classified as a Schedule II drug.

Got milk?

medical condition at the local homeless shelter.

Damn homeless people
I guess they didn't get your message.

Hey, OP why don't you give it a try and then you can make your own informed opinion. Yeah, I know it would be hard to compare to the pot of yesteryear, but the experience would be worth your time.

alcohol, cocaine, methamphetimine, opiates, etc?

You are right about alcohol, I've lost at least one friend to it (died in his 30s from stomach bleeding). Another terrible drug: nicotine (especially cigarettes). They kill too (my dad died of lung cancer), and are as addictive as any drug going (measured by fraction of first-time users that go on to become daily users).

They can at least hold minimal wage jobs. In fact, one of my most reliable employees lives on bud. I keep her and all the stoners away from power tools, but for general mindless labor they are fine.

one of every four people in the entire U.S. would likely then be homeless.

I find your implication to be completely inaccurate and not supported by any real basis of reality.

If you were homeless, might you not spark a hooter to make thye time pass a little easier.

Have you ever heard the expression: Cause and effect?
Do you know what it means?

Most of the shit I like is illegal. Big fucking deal! Thats because the assholes that are running the show are.....well........assholes!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Sure, okay. Maybe.

If by "Pot" you mean "Ronald Reagan".

He was EVIL.

Maybe because he smoked himself.

That has to hurt.

Great, now I've got that Dead Kennedys song about Cambodia going through my head.

i've been homeless myself and in about 6 weeks i will be again...and yeah a lot of them do smoke pot, i smoke a lot of pot...WHEN I CAN AFFORD IT. the only place where homeless people can smoke regular amounts of pot is on the west coast, mostly san francisco, and also northern california humboldt/mendocino counties - cause people there are very generous with their dope.

but that's not what made them homeless, and that's sure as hell not what's keepin em homeless.

Brainwashed?

I believe other poster have pointed out the silliness of your post. I'm just going to enjoy the humor of it.

:hippie: :smoke: :hippie: :smoke: :hippie: :smoke: :hippie: :smoke:

1. The Religious Right is against it.
The Religious Right is probably the most dangerous political movement I've ever seen. These people will stop at nothing to turn this country into a theocracy.

If a rational politician, and yes there are some, were to seriously recommend legalizing Marijuana, the Religious Right would do everything in their power to get that politician defeated. And the rational politicians know it. Ain't much work for a politician the RR ran out of office because he thought Getting Our Children Addicted To Dangerous Drugs was a good idea.

The RR is against Marijuana legalization because (gasp!) Marijuana isn't in the Bible. I don't think that matters much--the Bible is full of instances of Jesus either drinking wine or enabling others to do so, and the RR will gladly tell you that Jesus hates the thought of people drinking wine. (Which is why Jesus converted 120 gallons of water into high quality wine at the Feast of Cana, right? Don't believe the fundies when they tell you Jesus was into fruit juice. It was wine and Jesus made enough of it to float a battleship.)

2. There's not currently a scientific test that measures intoxication
This one's actually legitimate. Highway safety is very important, and driving while stoned doesn't safeguard the public.

Marijuana's active ingredients are fat-soluble, not water-soluble. This makes producing a chemical test kinda difficult. Alcohol is easy. You test for the presence of alcohol, and if you find it at a level we've accepted as performance-degrading, you can be assured the person is impaired by the substance. Pot's a different story. If you smoke a joint on Saturday night, you won't be stoned on Sunday. If on Wednesday you are driving, swerve to miss a cat, wrap your car around a telephone pole and are tested for THC, you'll show up positive. You haven't been stoned since Saturday, but you'll be cited for Driving While Impaired.

There are tests that can prove intoxication, but brainwave monitors are expensive and so are their operators, hence the test is expensive. There has GOT to be a test that's easy enough to give that a police officer who hasn't been to nursing school can administer it, and inexpensive enough that every police department in America can have it. Without this, you've just turned pot from an illegal police department revenue enhancer (PDRE) to a legal PDRE as the crimes change from possession, distribution and production to driving stoned.

Without this test, I don't support legal pot--because the potential for abuse by the cops is far too great. "We need $50,000 by Thursday to buy a new police car? I know! Let's pull over random drivers and piss test them!"

3. Shortsightedness on the part of the Legal Drugs industry.
The Legal Drugs industry in this country consists of two branches: the Tobacco Branch and the Alcohol Branch.

The theory goes that if marijuana is legal, tobacco and alcohol consumption will go down.

I call bullshit. People who smoke tobacco cigarettes will continue to smoke tobacco cigarettes because marijuana cigarettes are not a drop-in replacement for tobacco cigarettes. It's okay to smoke a cigarette as you drive. Smoking a joint while you drive is a different proposition entirely. Marijuana is also nicotine-free; someone who's addicted to nicotine and wishes to remain addicted to it is not going to accept a nicotine-free product. People will continue to drink. Lots of people will smoke pot once then go back to their old drugs.

The other problem with this theory is it excludes the possibility that a legal drugs manufacturer will decide to enter the pot business. Philip Morris is a good example of a diversified Legal Drugs producer--they make both cigarettes and beer. Of course they could add marijuana to their product portfolio.

Oh yeah...if Our Government suddenly admits that pot isn't all that bad for you, then the masses will start to suspect that a few other things Our Government tells us aren't quite right either--you know, like that Iraq had chemical warfare agents, planes flying into the World Trade Center can cause it to collapse in a manner that looks EXACTLY like a controlled demolition, NutraSweet is benign and the ten worst criminals in the last 100 years haven't all been affiliated with the Bush family.

Pots illegality goes back to the middle ages when a certain pope set the cathotholic
church on a ban of the intoxication of witches. This inheritance has been passed down
through the white christian founders of the US from their european ancestors.

But really why? It seems to make poeple very content, even for a moment, and when
someone is content, they are not easily enslaved. And really the issue is that
feeling of contentment, and many persons shift from drugs addiction to religion
to get a similar high, not conventional religion per-se but that which can deal
with the real issues of spiritual contentment and happiness.

But really, the drugs preference for alcohol is indeed cultural to the christians,
and it makes bunk their claim to support freedom of religion... and it is their way
of removing a religion and any of its practitioners from their legal society so that
they can't vote or change the laws.

All of the neo-englishmans systems work by disenfranchising voters through trap-systems
to disempower and destroy persons who could oppose their corporate imperium of worker
bees in the white supremecist hive of the united states king of the world.

1. It was brought into America by Mexican immigrants in the early 20th century who were, guess what?, "taking our jerrrrs". So state legislators in the SW railed against the crazy mexican who gets hopped up on weed and commits crimes. A good way to deter immigration.

2. Harry Anslinger was the government official responsible for overseeing Prohibition. When Prohibition ended, he didn't want to lose his job, so he railed before Congress about the dangers of weed and how they needed him and his bloated bureaucracy to stamp it out. Congress, being too busy with the New Deal, just passed his prohibition with little debate.

3. There were some famous murder trials in the 30s where enterprising defense lawyers tried the "marijuana defense." They had their clients get on the stand and say they couldn't control themselves, and that they slaughtered all those people after smoking some marijuana and it made them crazy. They were exploiting people's ignorance of marijunana. This testimony was taken down in the media.

the liquor industry, the tobacco industry, the textile industry, the paper industry (that's how it became illegal originally), etc...

It's God's gift to us and it's just too damned useful.

Let's pretend, just for the sake of pretending, that we elected a truly enlightened government.

This government's first act is a three-step deed:

Step 1: invent some way to determine actual marijuana intoxication--maybe something in the eyes, maybe a metabolite that is only present when the pot user is high, or maybe even a little brainwave reader with two lights on it--stoned or not stoned.

Step 2: establish the Office of Hemp and Marijuana Exploitation to help companies who make things that would be displaced by hemp and/or marijuana develop ways to make their products from hemp and/or marijuana. You mentioned the paper industry--what is stopping the paper industry from making hemp paper? What's stopping the linen producers from making their cloth from hemp instead of flax? Only knowledge, and that can be acquired.

Step 3: legalize the sale, possession and use of cannabis.

So now we have legal pot. I believe three groups of smokers will emerge.

The first group never buys marijuana. They grow their own. They have hydroponic systems and grow in the spare bedroom, or fields in the country and grow outside. This group isn't very large because there's no instant gratification from growing pot, whether you start from seed or you go to The Home Depot and buy bedding plants.

The second group grows pot, but they also buy it. Maybe their crop fails on occasion. Maybe they're throwing a party this weekend but they've only got two ounces of marijuana and their plants won't be ready to harvest for another month (or their friends just don't like the skunkweed they grow). Or...just maybe...they like to try other varietals. Anyway, these guys buy pot.

The third group never grows it. They don't have the room, they don't have the patience, all they can grow is rocks, they like to grab a couple of joints on Friday after work and smoke them on the weekends, their house keeps getting broken into every time they set bedding plants and they've finally said "screw it." Whatever. These folks only buy packaged marijuana.

This is exactly the situation we're up against today, except that you go to jail if you're caught growing pot now and you wouldn't if it were legal.

Anyone CAN grow pot. Not everyone would.

I would like you to consider something else: It has been legal since the end of Prohibition to produce, for personal use, 200 gallons of beer and 200 gallons of wine per year. (They certainly calculated party consumption into this because if you drink 400 gallons of alcoholic beverages in one year you cannot be anything but a useless drunk. That's over a gallon per day.) How many people do you know who brew or make wine? I bet it's nowhere near the number of people who drink it.

Homebrewing was made officially 'legal' in 1979, signed into law by Jimmy Carter-another reason I hold him in high regard.

There has GOT to be a test that's easy enough to give that a police officer who hasn't been to nursing school can administer it, and inexpensive enough that every police department in America can have it.

Here's a test: have the suspect give every other letter of the alphabet, beginning with 'Q'.

:)

Post. Ever.

They would probably do something about it, starting off with the thousands of veterans who are homeless.

One reason that homeless people might drink alcohol or use drugs is that they are mentally ill and are self-medicating.

WAR ON DRUGS are good enought for those invested in it to keep the status quo. Get real.

Like politicians give a shit about the homeless. (except having to see them, then its a WAR ON HOMELESSNESS which consists of shipping them off to the next community)

Remember it started off with the standard Gummint Reefer Scare warning about weed getting twentyfold stronger every year.

So let's extrapolate...if the pot in 1969 was 20x stronger than the pot in 68, and the 1970 model was 20x stronger than the 1969, and so on and so forth...shit, at some point pot use will end because smoke won't come out of the joints. They'd be like Don Tomas cigars, where you've gotta drill a hole through them if you want to smoke them. (Which is only slightly mitigated by the fact that Don Tomas cigars are so bad no one WANTS to smoke them.)

And more to the point, what pot dealer would stock marijuana like that? Fuckin' half-toke reefer, no one would make money on such weed. A guy buys a dime bag of that shit, you don't see him again for five months. Remember what Gallagher said: "Don't smoke dope when you're already stoned. You don't get any higher, just lower on dope." You'd need a microscope to roll joints out of that.

Yeah...we can really believe the government on this shit.

breathing in the fumes. Why do you think, that they wouldn't leave home without 'em?

Studies now show that, Porta Potties are about 453678980 times stronger, when they sit out in the sun for a week full to the lid, at places, or events, like a Katharine Harris rally in Florida, where the sun REALLY gets hot during campaign season. It seems like the closer to the Equator the potties are placed the more potent the "high" is.

Since Global Warming has started to really increase, at an ever rapid and ever alarming rate, the increased warmth, acting as the catalyst in this case, just makes the overall chemical reaction in the Porta-Potties much more potent than it was, say in 450 BC or even as late as 1969 AD.

Coupled with the proven fact, that the Freeper brain has grown progressively weaker, with each passing generation of inbreeding, I'm afraid we will see the brain dead moran problem increase proportionately with the increase of Porta Potty potency.

BTW, if you think the Porta Potty fumes are harmless, just look at the irresponsible way the Freepers vote, after a lifetime of Potty abuse!

Cotton Mouth = Potty Mouth...and I don't even wanna' talk about the munchies...

I hope this helps...

hydro/home grown pot is stronger because of the way it`s raised. acapulco gold,panama red,maui, and all south east asian pot is a beter smoke and high than any hydro/homegrown i`ve smoked. actually i prefer black nepalese hashish.....

Whats up?

The key to potent pot is the genetics. If you grow crappy, low THC pot in the most technologically advanced hydroponic system with CO2 injection and whatever......you will still wind up with crappy pot.

I had a friend who would ask for my seeds after I went through a bag of Mexican. I wondered why he had any interest in my schwaggy seeds as he grew on a pretty large scale and he grew really good stuff. He explained to me that any seed has the potential to be great bud so long as the growing conditions are right. He took about 40 or so of the seeds and put them in a bunch of wet paper towels, then he selected the four seeds which sprouted first and strongest. In 3.5 months, those four plants were some of the stickiest, dankest sinsemilla I've ever had. He just uses a lot of quality light, mylar, CO2 generators, TLC etc. He's never bought seeds online, but he produces bud on par with the best I've gotten from California and Amsterdam. Granted, I'm sure genetics effects growth to an extent, but seeing as the seeds he grew with were from brick, I'm sure they were originally grown outside and optimized for outdoor growing. He had absolutely no problems growing indoors with them.

He got the seeds to produce a nicer product than the original stuff, no doubt, but it is just not true that any seed has the potential to produce great bud. You can maximize its potential with good cultivation techniques, but genetics is everything.

Last I checked, Acapulco was in Mexico.

they're just euphemisms.


dp

Quit bogartin'

That's back when you could buy a lid (ounce) of pot for $15. Damn, those were the days!

Thirty four years later......... it cost me $25 for an eighth.

There is a difference in potency, but not even close to the 20 times stronger that you read about from our govmint. It's two-hit pot as opposed to the you have to smoke a whole joint to get the same high as in the olden days.

Here in Oregon, you can get a Medical Marijuana card, if you qualify. I've smoked both "regular" pot and "Medical Marijuana" and I can't tell the difference.

It can be dangerous smoking weed. You might eat more sweets and gain some weight and chances are your neighbors might wonder what kind of crazy music you're listening to... be very afraid!

:sarcasm:

:D

We cannot tolerate a snack food gap!

Tostitos... any junk food that ends in 'O'. :D

also ends in "o." And it has been scientifically proven that marijuana addicts tend to play the pianO very loudly, while their fiends dance with wild abdomen. Salt stains on pianO keys is one of the symptoms that all parents need to be aware of.

I play the 'surdo' which is a very large Brazilian bass drum used for samba. "Surdo' in Portuguese = 'deaf person.' :D

My 'zabumba,' a smaller bass drum from the northeast of Brazil used for forró, has corroded/rusted rims from exposure to salt. Oba!

My salty fingers ruin guitar strings in a matter of hours, so I go through a pack of strings every 3 days, at least.

:rofl:

It's crazy, man.

When jazz was starting to move into the mainstream conscious, the uptight white racists claimed that it was a strange new drug called "reefers" that slowed down time enough to let the black jazzmen play those eighth notes.

Yup, that was the Scourge of the Day. Eighth notes.

...and communism crept closer. :eyes:

You do know that All-American icon and down home Yankee Doodle Louis Armstrong smoked "gage" most everyday of his life, don't you? "Muggles" has always been a part of jazz and never destroyed folks like alcohol and heroin. Just ask Bix or Bird.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnie_The_Moocher

"Minnie the Moocher" is a jazz song recorded by
Cab Calloway and His Orchestra.

The song is based both musically and lyrically on
Willie the Weeper <1> <2> The lyrics are heavily
laden with drug references, being a product of the
Harlem jazz culture. "Smokey" is described as a user
of cocaine; the business about "kicking the gong around"
refers to smoking opium, and other verses describe
Minnie's opium dream, involving living with the king of
Sweden and having a "million dollars worth of nickels and dimes."

Calloway also wrote an extended version, adding verses
which describe Minnie and Smokey going to jail; Minnie
pays Smokey's bail, but he abandons her there. Another
verse describes her tempting "Deacon Lowdown" when she "
wiggled her jelly roll" at him. Finally, they took Minnie
to "where they put the crazies", where she dies. This
explains why both the short version and the long version e
nd with the words "Poor Minnie, poor Min." <3>

Calloway first recorded the song in 1930, around that time
also recording a very similar song entitled "Kickin' the Gong Around"
<4>. In 1932, Calloway recorded the song for a Fleischer Studios Talkartoon
short cartoon, also called Minnie the Moocher, starring
Betty Boop and Bimbo. Calloway and his band provides most of
the short's score, and appear in the short themselves in a
live-action introduction. The thirty-second live-action segment
is the earliest-known film footage of Calloway. In the animated s
ection of the film, Calloway appears as an animated character,
a ghost walrus (whose dance movements were rotoscoped from
footage of Calloway dancing).

and you would most likely fall asleep before that could ever happen.

So even if pot is 20x more powerful today, all it means is you don't have to smoke as much to get high. Which is better for your lungs.

Cha-Cha-Chia!

:evilgrin:

created by a government that knows there are tens of millions of functioning adults out there who smoked pot at one point or another in their lives. This government desperately needs to justify a $40 Billion dollar a year DEA gravy train (not including costs of incarceration of ever-increasing numbers of non-violent offenders) aimed, again, primarily at pot smokers.

To get past the cognitive dissonance of what just about everyone who ever smoked a joint at a party (meaning, just about everyone under 80 in this country at this point) instinctively knows, namely, that the shit isn't that big of a deal, it makes people silly, or stupid, or hungry, but it's certainly not some deadly substance that requires $40 Billion dollars worth of "drug war"--- the government needs to go to increasingly absurd lengths to convince people that "today's" pot is different.

Spoooooooooky!

Hey, back when I was smoking it, there was certainly extremely good pot- you just had to find it. Now, I think, with advances in hydroponics (future space colonists will have potheads to thank for that technology) and selective breeding, it's probably easier to find good pot than it used to be. And for the folks who still smoke it -I don't, anymore- more power to 'em. It means they need to smoke less to get high, which I'd have to imagine is better for your body in the long run.

Last week I went to a party where they had some super-righteous-strong-assed-shiyaaat! It was as though bombs were going off at the party! One girl took 2 bong-hits and then freaked out and jumped out of a second story window after ripping her clothes off. Another guy got so high that he laughed until he vomited and drowned in it.

:rofl:


a bowl a day keeps the doctor away :smoke:

and terrorists to blow up buses full of schoolkids.

Totally ripping buds, that's what they can do!

pot is pot some is good some is not so good ...

it's been that way forever if you ask me .

besides if it's better quality you smoke
less of it . right?

don't get higher but your stash gets lower...

THC is the active stuff. Selective breeding has caused about a 300% improvement in the best weed, but bagweed (common crap found on the streets at relatively low price) is about the same now as its ever been

So the improvement has been 3X. However weed of that potency is not only uncommon (ask any weedhead when the last time they got any GOOD weed was and they'll all tell you its been a long time) but also very expensive - typically costing about 4X the price of bagweed. To put that into perspective (and give you some inflation information too) it works about like this.

In 1970 you could have bought all the bagweed you wanted for $20 an ounce. Today that same ounce would cost you about $100. Superweed was almost unheard of back then but today when you find it the stuff will cost your about $400 per ounce.

About the location of the good stuff. Its the buds. Buds, buds, buds. If you plop down a hundred bucks for bagweed you get everything the plant grew except the large fan leaves (the picture of pot leaves you always see shows "fan leaves" which are utterly worthless) and with significant trimming of stem and stalk. By contrast when you pay $400 you get nothing but well trimmed bud with essentially no leaf and as little stem as can be had.

So there's your pot lesson for the day. We could go a lot farther and consider variety's and such - for instance the most potent pot in the world is probably a variety called "White Widow" with "AK" (Afghani Kush) running a very close second and probably a variety called "Northern Lights Number 5" (NL5) being pretty much a national favorite that everyone loves (great taste, wonderful buzz, decent ash).

Its pretty much common knowledge, now, the evolutions in plant biology in soilless growing
and using pure liquid fertilizers to optimize output. Well, if you check the price of these
fertilizers compared to plants in the vegetable patch, and the special arrangements of lights
and timers for 12/12 budding, where every technology that grows large fruits and vegetables
in our world is applied to maximizing potency, indeed, i've paid as much as 1200 an oz
for that, never purchasing an ounce ever, quarters mainly.

I think the cost of that extra potency is the cost of all the chemicals and the gear
to juice the plant up, simply passed on downstream. Plus the labour of harvesting and
dressing the gear, as well as the proper curing work, sweating the bud just right.

In the end its farming, and "organic" vegetables cost more, it makes sense that premium
bud is more than outdoor from mexico, and given the labour care and risk, worth the
premium over 'mersh' (commercial weed == i believe what you're calling: 'bagweed')

It has a clear sharp high and ummm also an effect in the groin region

go figure

O8)

Yeah if you're comparing Mexican dirt weed from the 60's to some decent Hawaiian sensimillia from today. Good weed like Thai sticks back in the Vietnam era is and always has been on a par with the best hydroponic buds grown today. I've smoked them all and good weed from 30 years ago was as good as anything grown today.

:hi:

Growing marijuana is the same as any other crop....you use the best of the bunch to reproduce every time and eventually you will have stronger pot. I would guess there are better strains available than there used to be but *twenty* times stronger? No way.

You can't discount the effect of the 99 plants rule in federal law
http://www.marijuana.org/SRPressDem6-19-04.htm
where 99 plants is below the life sentence... or some terminal crime level,
and all growers seek to get their product in to 99 plants.

This has evolved the Scrog techniques for growers along with the even simpler
pursuit of political justice for people who are free....... free.

What the fuck were we talking about anyway? Oh yeah, reefer, well I was going to wait a while to spark up a bowl, but this is as good a time as any.
The reefer I toke up suits me just fine, as far as it being more potent, hey that's okay with me. The way I smoke these days, take a couple of hits roach it out maybe an hour later take a couple more hits roach it out, the stuff lasts me forever.

The best weed you could get in Viet Nam between 1967 and 1970 (the years I was there) didn't even come close to the best bud being grown today.

Here's a link to the facts on confiscated bud in Great Britain:

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/bulletin/bulletin_1982-01-01_3_page009.html#bf001

A three finger lid of "shake" was $10.00, and was not all that good... Then I learned more about it and the "killer bud"...

Leaves have little THC... the bud has a LOT more, so I would say that education and smoking a variety of weed would tell me that it depends on what you buy... :hippie:

The reefer I smoke now is no greater than that that I smoked in the 70's. More expensive now. Can't afford the Hawaiian sticky Christmas tree weed any more.

Stuff now works, but is not any more potent that I can tell.