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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 02:43 PM
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Watch for mass voter fraud in the up coming election...
nationwide from sea to sea. Delaying tactics in poor neighborhood, crooked touch-screen machines... you watch. The election has already been decided. I'm not going to bother stating any facts proving my point but I will say "Told you so." in advance.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 02:44 PM
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1. I'll be watching.
Literally. I volunteered to be a poll watcher tomorrow.
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flobee1 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 02:45 PM
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2. Absentee ballots
n/t
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:49 PM
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33. the number of people who could be convinced to use absentee . . .
ballots is miniscule . . .
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:35 PM
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37. Coulter ballots--Pubbies vote where they like
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 02:47 PM
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3. I'll be amazed if any legit votes get counted at all! n/t
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 02:47 PM
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4. If Ah-Nold gets re-elected in CA, then the fix is definately in.
As long as computerized voting machines are being used there will be rampant voter fraud in this country.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 02:53 PM
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5. are you in california?
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 02:53 PM by Howardx
angelides is running what seems to be a non existant campaign, if he keeps it up arnold wont need diebold to win
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:02 PM
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11. Yes I am and I'm dissapointed in Angelides.
But then again Ah-Nold isnt exactly running massive ads either. That worries me more.
I get the feeling that Ah-Nold knows that the fix is in and he's just sitting back expecting the re-election.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:17 PM
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28. the state dems
should have tried to avoid such a nasty primary, the arnold ads with westly's quotes were inevitable.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:12 PM
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22. Where are you getting your information, maveric?
Latest Field poll shows Governator leading Angeledes by 8 points, as of 7/25/2006.

http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/RLS2203.pdf
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:17 PM
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27. Most people I talk to here in San Diego, a repug haven...
tell me that Ah-Nold is an idiot who will never get re-elected. I guess this is from my own personal polling.
8 points you say? Does Angelides really want to win? Maybe he's in on the fix?
Nothing surprises me anymore.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:21 PM
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29. The Field polling organization said 8 points
I only passed along their results, which I believe are the best information I have available.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:08 PM
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36. I dont doubt your numbers.
Is Angelides pulling a Kerry and sitting on his ass (or windsurfing),when he should be busting his hump?
He's got to do better! Do something!
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 02:54 PM
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6. Will We Take To The Streets Like The Mexicans?
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 02:55 PM
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7. Hell no, we're democrats...
We'll roll over and take it. Again.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 02:57 PM
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8. Yeah as a matter of fact, why even vote?
They are just going to steal your vote anyway. It's like putting a dollar in a vending machine you know is going to eat it anyway - why waste your time and your dollar?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:05 PM
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17. Don't even think about insinuating that I'm telling people not to vote.
Capice? Don't even try.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:13 PM
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23. I didn't
However it strikes me as a logical inference from the initial information.

A bit like writing a striking article arguing that seatbelts don't work and then getting upset that people see that as an argument not to wear seatbelts.

Bryant
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 02:59 PM
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9. If that happens there is one source of blame - the Dem party that refuses
to deal with and expose the GOP control of the media and the voting machines.

And the Dems should be holding joint press conferences WITH the Greens and the Constitutionalists and the Libertarians to expose the problem of one party controlling 80% of the electronic vote.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:00 PM
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10. It's easy to tell when the fix is going to happen...
The fix starts in the media ahead of time. They don't want to put the fix in on an election and be obvious about it, so what they do is paint a picture in the media of a very close race, even when it is not close. They want people to believe that the race "could have gone either way." When they start producing dubious polls, or misrepresenting polls to make the R look like he is neck and neck, you know something is going to be tried in that election.


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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:47 PM
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32. There will be no more landslide elections.
In fact, there will be fewer & fewer elections where there is a clear winner by several percentage points.

I will unequivocally support dems the next two elections. Assuming we take back the house or senate this fall, and here's hoping, the White House in '08, it will be interesting to see if they tackle electronic voting. If they don't, we'll know where they stand in our one-party system.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:02 PM
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12. Millions will be watching.
They better have their best sleight-of-hand people on the job.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:03 PM
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13. We don't need millions...
Just send some international election observers in blue helmets over to Hartford tomorrow.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:06 PM
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I wouldn't have a problem with that.
They shouldn't either, if they have nothing to hide. That's what they live by, right?
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:03 PM
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14. Does anyone remember Bushboi on...
...Meet the Press in 2004, a few months before the election? He was his usual unfocused, schizoid, disjointed-mumbling self until he was asked about the coming election. Suddenly he gained tremendous composure and spoke with what I perceived to be geniune deep confidence. He said, with a smile, "I will win in November". I turned to my wife and said the fix was in. And, as it turned out, it was.

Winning back our democracy will be no easy matter.

Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor. It must be demanded by the oppressed.
-- Martin Luther King

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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:04 PM
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15. "Winning back our democracy will be no easy matter."
More and more, I'm of the opinion that we will have to TAKE our democracy back. When in the course of human events...
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:13 PM
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24. That will not happen...
...until the comfy middle-class find themselves living in flop-houses in their senior years, with just a pittance of social security benefit, without medical care, and a burden to their children and grandchildren who, themselves, will be working a 12 hour day, those lucky enough to have jobs. I often lament that it will take economic dystopia before we see the emergence of mass political action here.

But then, again, the generation ahead of me did oust a Republithug President and stop the war in Vietnam.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:15 PM
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26. Ummm...hate to tell you this, but
You've pretty well described the economic dystopia we live in RIGHT NOW!
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:30 PM
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30. We have a few more years to go
The theft is not yet complete. Like father, like son -- GHWB's base benefited from the savings and loan scandal; GWB still has work to do, there's still those trillions locked up in "safe" special treasury bonds aka the social security trust fund. Once that's pried lose from the middle class, and when that class sees that their 401k's and IRA's fund only a few years of the lifestyle Mastercard and Visa made possible for them, then the proverbial substance hits the fan.

To the sated and somnolent middle, the plight of their neighbhor whose job is offshored, who loses their home and has to spend down retirement funds on daily survival, who lose their insurance and access to first world medical care -- to the somnolent middle, these disasters are invisible, pushed out of mind by consumption of a couple of hours of American Gladiator (be it the hoakey series or the latest CNN-spectacle of Bush War). This same pampered class cannot possibly fathom what it is to be lower-working class in America. They have no idea.

cuz take away our playstations
and we are a third world nation
under the thumb of some blue blood royal son
who stole the oval office and that phony election
i mean
it don't take a weatherman
to look around and see the weather
-- Ani DiFranco
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:50 PM
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34. Wasn't there a similar incident in '00?
The dimson was on a plane & very confidently telling the media that he would win. Or maybe he said he'd win FL, which is even more incrimnating! At any rate, it was a very confident statement. It sounded very much like someone in the know.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:05 PM
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16. That's not VOTER fraud - that's ELECTION fraud
Yes I know I'm being picky, but I think it is VERY important to keep the responsibility squarely where it belongs. Not the individual voter. I say this because of the move in so many states to make voting nearly impossible for segments of the population all in the name of "voter fraud".
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:14 PM
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25. Fair enough.
:-)
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:06 PM
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18. There will be almost NO voter fraud this election cycle.
However, ELECTION FRAUD, TALLYING FRAUD, VOTE FRAUD, will be rampant. I genuinely believe the voters, though, will go to the polls sincere in their desire to affect change.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:08 PM
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20. My prediction...
40-45% turnout.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:07 PM
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19. So, what do we DO when this does happen?
When do we occupy DC? When do we storm Congress? When do we rip down the gates?

Remember, Remember the 5th of November!!
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:08 PM
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21. Can I get a witness from the congregation!!!
Finally, a sensible solution to the mess we're in!!!
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:31 PM
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31. I wish someone would inform the public
I wish some universally-respected organization would send a mailer to each household telling them what sort of shady things they should watch for when they vote, and what they should do if it happens to them.

It's so obvious to us here, but I'll bet most people "out there" don't even know election fraud is an issue.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:52 PM
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35. check these guys out
http://www.electionprotection2004.org/

I worked with them in Ohio in 2004. Outstanding group.
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