It's over...(IF) no filibuster : Edited on accurate info

Russ Fiengold said he is not going to filibuster. If anyone was going to it was his call.


ON FURTHER EDIT: Fiengold DID NOT INDICATE EITHER WAY. (Left orginal post intact)

So now WATCH as the wiretapping investigation moves ahead in the Senate.

Russ made a big mistake with this one. Recent SCOTUS ruling on RIght To Life spending corporate money during elections has set lulled Fiengold into thinking Alito will be able to be fair. He is wrong.

Game over. The filibuster was the last straw. Yes it owuld of casue problems for Dems and yes some might lose elections in 06 because of it. But it had to be done. And now it looks likely it won't.

Fork is stuck in this nation with Alito on the bench.

Noting will come of an investigation and even if it did Bush will not be convicted in the senate if impeachment gets out of the house.

The only thing is the Dems will be re-elected and the GOP will continue it's march to one party rule.

Watch and understand how fucked this is.

That is it.

GAME OVER MAN!

Bweeeweewweeweee----ooop.

He is part of that gang-of-whatever that set the terms for filibustering some months ago. If he throws the switch, it could get interesting.

Not holding my breath, tho.

Has he said anything yet? I don't think I have heard even one little thing hinting one way or the other on how he will vote or whether he will filibuster or not.

That would happen in the full Senate, and I'd think that'd make it Reid's call.

Feingold isn't that big a surprise. He rarely votes against Bush's nominees (even the bad ones), so for him, it's a major statement just that he won't vote for Alito.

This is a blow to the calls for a filibuster, but I don't think it's in any way Feingold's call.

Feingold may not want to filibuster, but I'm sure he's not going to vote for cloture if the party decides to filibuster. That would be traitorous.

Feingold is just saying that he's not going to do the talking.

who claimed to be Democrats will exodus the party. How devastating.

I agree with others that while Fiengold is dissappointing in this instance, he may not be the end all adn be all of this discussion.

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Whatever shall we do.

you detected my sarcasm.

Doesn't mean that the rest won't. Yes, it is a blow, he is an influential Senator. But it isn't over until we know for sure. Besides, you never know, this could all be an act on Feingold's and others part. Catch the 'Pugs off guard, etc. etc.

However I do agree with you that if there is no filibuster, we can kiss what is left of this once great democratic nation goodbye. Bushco will have enough cronies packed into the court that they'll let him take whatever power he wants, and destroy the rest.

the interview before believing what someone who doesn't know what they are talking about irresponsibly posts.

Did he say HE was not going to filibuster?

Besides, I wasn't the one who stated this, the original poster stated this, so go chew their ass not mine. Besides, it would help if you would provide a link to the Feingold interview. Some of us didn't hear the original due to things like work, etc. Sheesh!

n/t

i'll go grab you a link.

Feingold replied to the radio host who said, "So there is not going to be a filibuster," and Fiengold said, "apparently not, enough Dems have said they won't support it." But who are these Dems who won't support it?

Frankly I don't think we'll know whether there's going to be a filibuster or not until the Dems lay down their hand. They really need to though, otherwise this country is going to be in a world of hurt.

But we're just going to have to wait and see. Cheers.

filibuster, this is exactly what they should be doing.

Here a link to the radio show. It's in the 8AM hour segment

http://wpr.org/ideas/programnotes.cfm

It could be someone else's call. He did lead the fight with the "Patriot Act" so they could have someone else in mind to lead this fight. It would be fitting if Byrd did it wouldn't it?

wouldn't post rumors, unless you label it a rumor. It's a major dis-service.

Shame on you!

Any way...if you look at the facts....Fiengold used filibuster as a negotiating tool.

The GOP knows that there has to be somekind of investigation to keep the control of the center.

Dems thing they need the center so want an investigation. But the GOP knows haw to get what they want now and they want Alito on the bench. they are willing to see this play out in a long stonewalled investigation and the result will be.......:::::chirp chirp::::::

nothing. NADA. zilch.

Even if articles of impeachment are drawn up the conviction will never occur. At bare minimum a formal censure.

Convince me this will play some other way. Tell me how.....

I'd like to hear it because I'm really bumming myself out now.

have to throw away Roe? What kind of political calculus do you have to do to decide that the health of a nation is less important than your political career.

Or, to appoint a known bigot to the Supreme Court?

It's just unfuckingfathomable.

They both said stuff like, apparently not, or it's doubtful. Neither said they would vote for cloture and neither said the filibuster is dead.

Why do people want to have an annoucement now? Is that the way you believe we win?

We tell the Repos we are definatly going to filibuster so they can organize and spin it?

Heck, all I know is one Dem senator, Nelson, of Nebraska has said he's going to vote for Alito.

No other Dem Senator has said they will oppose a filibuster, have they?

Kennedy's office said Dino Dianne was blocking a filibuster, and then she was quoted -- over the weekend? -- as opposing that measure. There is no doubt about Dianne. She has made her position public even though when queried, her staff says she hasn't decided -- as they should.

Feingold, I don't know. I've seen it in at least two thread this morning.

On edit: here is the other thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x183671

not going to filibuster.

http://wpr.org/ideas/programnotes.cfm in the 8am hour segment.

DiFi said a filibuster was "doubtful."

Hey, so is that we will live another day, but it ain't over til it's over.

In fact, this is what I would be saying if I were planning to filibuster.

What would you be saying?

If my Dino senator does wind up acting like a Democrat, I will be very surprised.

I'm not giving up. Three nieces here. :)

was Mayor of SF and later when she won her senate seat. I voted for her.

Yeah, she's definitely sketchy.

Yet she still hasn't said how she will vote on the nomination or whether she would support a filibuster.

The Kennedy staff tip was probably a good thing, because maybe with some heat she will do the right thing.

This ain't over in my mind unless H. Reid announces that the Dems will not filibuster. All this speculative speech is nerve wracking for us, but it must be worse for the Repos.

At this point they have no target to mobilize around. Which is a good thing from our perspective.

Can you point me to one successful filibuster of a judical nominee over the last 5 years where they waited until the floor vote to announce it? If I remember correctly (and I may not be) in every case they were talking up the need for a filibuster in the days leading up to the floor debate and vote.

So they got two. We'll get two more.

a filibuster.

Why don't dems remember that?

Give me a break.

office and the man said that Fiengold has not stated that he will not filibuster. The man said that his statements were misconstrued on some blog. He has not released how or what he is going to do at this point.

Common sense and fact-checking save the day. Now if only anyone will notice.

You might want to repost this in caps in a new GD thread.

I edited the subject.

one thing is thoguh had I not heard this rumer I would'nt of entered into the train of thoguht that led me to the the backroom negotiating of Alito for Investigation and impeachment...

The bulk of your post is factually inaccurate.

Mean while, people should be continue on making phone calls to senates, their friends and also fax. Don't stop this until it's over... It's not over until fat lady sing!

for repeating what I saw on a post here. But I wish Russ would speak plainly on this. He is very forthright about so many issues, and I find it truly impossible to believe that he hasn't made his mind up yet.

filibuster. Why? Because we want to win, and if the Dems came out and said they were going to filibuster the Repos would start in on obstructionist for obstruction sake liberals who are doing this because they hate bush blah blah blah. the churches would gear up, Rush would be telling callers to flood Dem offices with fax annd phone calls and the Dems couldn't build a case to support a filibuster.

Your desire to know the future is understandable, but really secondary to winning. So sit tight, keep calling and getting others to call and help make it happen.

the only link I've seen today was to an interview with an NPR station in Wisconsin where Feingold said there was "apparently not" going to be a filibuster due to insufficent votes. Not that there definitely wouldn't be one. Not that he himself wouldn't support one.

The OP needs to edit.

now let's get on to probing day traders in the House Majority Leader's office, illegal wiretaps, Jack Abramoff, disastrous wars in Iraq, run-away deficits - all things where the GOP is totally screwed in a fair debate and doesn't have a leg to stand on. If Sam Alito isn't confirmed, some other right wing wacko will be. This is not a good debate for us. Anything that can be rail-roaded into "family values" does not seem to be our strong suit. Anything that can be rail-roaded into repukes making decisions for our country based on how it can make money for Jack Abramoff and Pfizer and Exxon is a debate we want to have.

If enough of the moderates abstained, couldn't the vote still go against Alito WITHOUT a filibuster?

if it was up-or-down and abortion were the only issue, we'd be sunk. But this unitary executive crap makes it a whole different ballgame, IMO.

Is it at all possible that some moderates could have talked with some democrats? I mean, I know hell would freeze over, but maybe some of the moderates know what's at stake.

I just can't believe that they'll let this go through without a fight unless they know something we don't.

their own power by giving so much to *. Yes, I'm sure some of them want to be President someday themselves, but not all of them I'd think, and eroding their status weakens the springboard they'd be using to campaign on in the future (their Senatorial position).

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