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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:05 AM
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It's All About Who You Sleep With - A Message from Michael Moore
Friends,

Let the resounding defeat of Senator Joe Lieberman send a cold shiver down the spine of every Democrat who supported the invasion of Iraq and who continues to support, in any way, this senseless, immoral, unwinnable war. Make no mistake about it: We, the majority of Americans, want this war ended -- and we will actively work to defeat each and every one of you who does not support an immediate end to this war.

Nearly every Democrat set to run for president in 2008 is responsible for this war. They voted for it or they supported it. That single, stupid decision has cost us 2,592 American lives and tens of thousands of Iraqi lives. Lieberman and Company made a colossal mistake -- and we are going to make sure they pay for that mistake. Payback time started last night.

I realize that there are those like Kerry and Edwards who have now changed their position and are strongly anti-war. Perhaps that switch will be enough for some to support them. For others, like me -- while I'm glad they've seen the light -- their massive error in judgment is, sadly, proof that they are not fit for the job. They sided with Bush, and for that, they may never enter the promised land.

To Hillary, our first best hope for a woman to become president, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you continue to support Bush and his war. I'm sure someone has advised you that a woman can't be elected unless she proves she can kick ass just as crazy as any man. I'm here to tell you that you will never make it through the Democratic primaries unless you start now by strongly opposing the war. It is your only hope. You and Joe have been Bush's biggest Democratic supporters of the war. Last night's voter revolt took place just a few miles from your home in Chappaqua. Did you hear the noise? Can you read the writing on the wall?

To every Democratic Senator and Congressman who continues to back Bush's War, allow me to inform you that your days in elective office are now numbered. Myself and tens of millions of citizens are going to work hard to actively remove you from any position of power.

If you don't believe us, give Joe a call.

Yours,
Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.com

P.S. Republicans -- sorry to leave you out of this letter. It's just that our side has a little housecleaning to do. We'll take care of you this November.


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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:09 AM
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1. YA!
I like that message.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:09 AM
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2. "housecleaning"
let's roll.

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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:21 AM
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8. It's time to sweep out the Bush Democrats.
Moderate Democrats can still vote for one of their own in Ned Lamont but the Bush lovers need to take a hike.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:10 AM
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3. A little too triumphalist
I don't think that taking on all the Democrats who voted for the IWR is going to accomplish much - rather it confirms the Lieberman story of this election. That the leftists are looking to clean house and kick out anybody who doesn't agree with them.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:16 AM
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5. And your point is..?
Damned Right. It is time to do for GOOD just what the rePukes did for EVIL.

KICK OUT EVERY DAMNED ONE OF THE BASTARDS (GENDER NON-SPECIFIC) THAT WILL NOT STOP THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS EVIL, IMMORAL, AND MOST OF ALL, ILLEGAL WAR.

I've had enough. Can you tell?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:18 AM
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6. I can tell
But I'm not likely to be cowed.

There aren't too many of those left - and what should be done to those in who voted for the IWR once you clean those people out of the house? What are the implications of Michael Moore's letter?

Bryant
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:23 AM
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10. The implication is crystal clear...
Stop the war. Now.

I don't go back to the past. If a Democrat wishes to claim they have had the scales fall from their eyes, then GOOD ON THEM.

The war is ILLEGAL. The war is WRONG. If you don't oppose it, NOW, then FUCK YOU.

Nothing personal, Bryant. Just remembering what awoke me politically in 1968. But I have taken my side. It's time for everyone else to chose up.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:25 AM
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11. I do oppose the war, just to be clear
But I also think extricating ourselves from this situation is going to be difficult - but obviously the first step is for the administration to want to withdraw, which they don't.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:32 AM
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13. I know you do.
That's why the "Nothing Personal."

That said, I have great issue with "...extricating ourselves from this situation is going to be difficult..." I watched the choppers lift off from the US Embassy in Saigon with GIDDY GLEE. We can do it AGAIN; it's EASY. As the Warmongers (from either party) did then (Remember: The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was a DEMOCRATIC construct), they have done it again. It is far past time to RUN, DON'T WALK out of Iraq.

This is NOT an issue of HONOR, BRAVERY, OR ANY OTHER CONCEPT USED BY THE RIGHT TO PISS ON PROGRESSIVES. This is an issue of GETTING OUT OF A CIVIL WAR. NOW.

Oh and by the way, we can stop sending missiles and ammo to Scotland/Tel Aviv while we're at it. A FASCIST is a FASCIST is a FASCIST and it's not only time we stopped being FASCIST, but it's time we stopped SUPPORTING FASCISTS.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:37 AM
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17. That gets us into a whole other arguement - whic perhaps is best
AVOIDED at this time.

Bryant
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:39 AM
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18. Hard to let that one slide, isn't it?
Think maybe it HELPS someone to keep that little scuffle alive and kickin'?

Like maybe NEOCONS and THE PIG BUSH?

For that reason alone, if no other, it's time to stop THAT little debacle; it's a distraction we don't need.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:46 AM
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19. I thought Moore's post
was lucid and to the point.

Specifically, some Dems will forgive the DLC pro war candidates if they abandon the insanity now... some won't, but whose fault is that? Certainly not the voter's.

The point was, if you back Iraq, you won't be going back.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:57 AM
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21. And it's triumphalist to think that we can accomplish that
Which is my point.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 05:23 PM
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30. what?
I didn't advocate the position that the Democratic party *should* take. I (and Moore) said that some individual Dems would forgive supporting the Iraqi invasion, and some wouldn't.

I doubt that more than a few of those that would not forgive are trimuphalist, but rather are prisoners of concience.

While I personally think the DLC should take the big ass hint that a majority of CT Dems gave them. They are under no obligation to do so. After all, the DLC has shown no great inclination toward winning in several races in the recent past.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:19 AM
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7. the "leftist" label

I for one am sick of anyone who stands for human decency (i.e. an end to an immoral war) being labeled
a "leftist."

Fuck Joe Lieberman, let him take his war toys and go home.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:32 AM
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14. The whole leftist meme means nothing
Let them splatter it along with the rightists.
We are on the left and there are clear divisions with the right.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:47 AM
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20. the only people calling me a "leftist" are republicans
and using it as a slur against me, are republicans.

But oddly, there are people CLAIMING to be democrats who call me "leftist", but I have to wonder why they are using the same ephithet as republicans?

I'm confuzzled, I am, yeppers, its mighty confuzzling.

well, whatever, to BOTH of them I say: If I am left, then you are to the right of me, and I still welcome you in my party. But please play nice, ok?
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:15 AM
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22. They found the "Liberal" tag wasn't working so well anymore
I think the mainstream likes to draw divisions after all- who would want to be a moonbat tinfoiler, blah, blah anyway.
:tinfoilhat:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:11 AM
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4. Yes, yes, yes! K and R again and again
Michael Moore speaks for me.

It is time for the Democratic Party to wake up, stop the snoozing!

It's WAKE UP time, a new day, in this party.

IMO, it is NOW or NEVER.

Joey must not pull this crap off.

Hillary MUST start seeing the light or she will certainly not get my vote.

Go Michael!
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:21 AM
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9. Haha. The P.S. is the best part.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:30 AM
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12. Not all Americans are stupid. But many are slow. Especially those who
got off track with the cry for patriotism against Moslems, cloaked as terrorists in spite of the hand holding with the House of Saud, the partnerships within Kuwait and Qatar, the so-called peace with Jordan, and Egypt, and drug-weapons-nuclear trafficking with Pakistan.

Some Americans are confused, some steadfast, some politically blind. But, maiming and killing of our kids for nothing will wake people up like nothing else.

I'm with Moore on the condemnation of candidates who made their choice back in 2001. Many of us saw through it. Those so-called leaders knew more than we did and they voted selfishly. I cannot see myself ever voting for any of them no matter how they change their color unless there is no choice as was the case after the DLC and DNC selected Kerry.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:33 AM
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16. And for SOME losers on the left....
VOTING for a change would be nice.

I am SICK of hearing "...voting doesn't help, I don't vote..."

Those assholes can go fuck themselves too.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:33 AM
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15. "Nearly every Democrat set to run for president in 2008 is responsible"
Nope. Feingold didn't vote for this war. He'd make a damn fine president.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:16 AM
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23. Nor the patriot act
He believes in the constitution... Said he came to Washington to protect it....
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:33 AM
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26. He has so many qualities that we need at the top.
I am SO wanting him to run in 2008.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:28 AM
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24. Warner and Clark did not vote for it either. n/t
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:32 AM
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25. To be fair.
Clark wasn't able to vote on it, if I am not mistaken. :-)

But I like him just the same.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:02 AM
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28. Same with former Gov. Mark Warner. n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 05:24 PM
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31. Yeah, I think Al Gore's record is pretty clean on the matter, too.
Gore-Feingold. That's the ticket!
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:35 AM
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27. I don't have any problem
with anyone that voted to pressure Saddam into getting the UN inspectors back into his country. It worked. If it allowed Bush to start this war well, that's on Bush. He made the decision. I blame him and only him and his inner circle. I have a harder time supporting anyone that didn't protest the actual sending in of ground forces while the inspector were in the country. I simply have no interest in supporting someone that now in 2006 can't see what a big pile of crap the war was and is.

For the record if Moore is going to reserve his vote for people that have made errors in judgment in their lives then he's going to have to give up voting. Me I'm fine voting for people that have shown the ability to analyze situation and change their opinions based on the information coming in.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:05 AM
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29. Michael Moore supported who in 2000???
So if he can be forgiven for putting Bush in office, why cant Kerry and Edwards be forgiven for their IWR vote???

A little hypocrisy maybe??
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:42 PM
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32. So in your mind, voting for a third party candidate is equivalent to
being stampeded into war?
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:07 PM
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33. No Bush = No Iraq war
And Bush was going to war regardless of whether the Senate rejected the IWR 60-40. If you really think he wouldn't have, I have a bridge to sell you.

Moore shilled for Nader and smeared Gore up and down in 2000. He was too cool for Al Gore, and he helped put Bush in office. Moore is far more responsible, then, for the Iraq war than any Democratic officeholder could ever be.

Moore can go fuck himself - I'm tired of his arrogant blustering self-promotion and hypocrisy.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:09 PM
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34. No kidding
Moore thinks he can make it all okay by apologizing for shilling for GOP tool Nader in 2000, yet he decrees from on high that Kerry and Edwards can never be forgiven or trusted. Kerry is doing more to end the war now than Moore, but that might get in the way of his me-first rant.

So if Dems can't ever be trusted again for getting swindled by Bush's lies, why should ANYONE listen to what Moore has to say after his amazing lack of judgment that helped install Bush in 2000?

Go away Moore. You've jumped the shark.
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