How can progressives hate Jewish politicians when we love Fiengold?

and Boxer and Waxman and Schumer and to a lesser extent, Feinstein.

I never look at race, religion, ethnicity or gender in a politician. I look at philosophy. If an individual is passionate about the issues that concern me, I'm for him or her.

I'm no bigot because I think Clarence Thomas is a disaster. I didn't betray my Italian heritage because I opposed Alito. I'm no sexist because Ann Coulter makes me sick. I didn't betray my Filipino wife by criticizing Michele Malkin. Get off the shit and grow up. My opinions are based on the facts as I see them. I can be for a rich guy (Kerry, Kennedy and now Lamont)even though I am blue collar middle class. I can be against a rich guy (Bush and Cheney). I am not hemmed in by any other aspect of a politician other than ideology. He or she doesn't have to agree with me on everything, but the big issues of war and peace, justice in economic and social principals,and genuine passion are all I ask for. Give me that and you have my support. Plain and simple.

Really? I had no idea. Cool.

Agree 100% with your post, btw. Race-baiting is one of the GOP's more disgusting tricks.

Just kidding...

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Paul Wellstone
July 21, 1944 - October 25, 2002

I hope you're not inferring that my comment is anti-Semitic. I had no idea what religion Boxer was. If someone had said she was Catholic, I would have said "Oh really? I didn't know that. Cool."

The right wing has been playing that card since Joe's sinking.

A little before that if any of us criticize Israel's foreign policy.

Just making a point.

The point is every true progressive I know is blind to race, religion or gender. We are biased in favor of ideology.

I never even think of "Jewish" or "Black" or "Italian" in forming my political opinion.

I believe in ideas.

I mean, lets see who the real bigots are. Who's opposed to gay rights? Who wants to repeal the Voting Rights Act? Who likes to exploit the Israeli people for their own gain (imho)?

Oh yeah, we "far-lefters" are SO bigoted...:sarcasm:

But, on the bright side, I GOTS 1000+ POSTS!!! w00t. ?

You put it very well. I'm Jewish, and I don't like Lieberman. Does that make me a self-hating Jew? I don't think so.

There are also both Levins -- Carl and Sandy -- one is my senator and one is my rep.

I too am puzzled by these constant accusations of anti-semitism. It all seems a bit desperate and disproportionate. And the logic seems totally flawed. Umm, actually, there doesn't seem to be any logic applied at all:

1)You disagree with Joe Lieberman

2)Joe Lieberman is Jewish

3)Therefore, you are anti-semitic.

The same accusatory tactic is used when people try to stand up and say that, like the US invasion of Iraq, they disapprove of the Israeli invasion in Lebanon.

I think it's a way to get people to shut up.

One of the attendees (also Jewish) took me aside and said he was dismayed at the antisemitism on the "left" and accused Cindy Sheehan of being antisemitic. I told him that unless he heard Cindy say something against JEWS directly then it was wrong to take hear say. There is no real depth to this guy's politics and he enjoys playing what he calls a devil's advocate.

the worst kind.

That wondrous world of *black and white* that cons live in. If you're not *with* me, you're against me.

It is an attack on critical thinking. People fear being labeled, so they don't look at an issue from all sides.

It's a psychological ploy -- the Nazis used it, and now the NeoCons employ it.

Accusing the left of being anti-semitic when Jewry and liberalism go together like Matthew, Mark, Luke & John strikes me as such desperate demagoguery, or however you spell it.

I think this boils down to some Jewish people are hawks and some are doves. The hawks, (i.e. Lieberman), can't really, in their hearts, align themselves with their tainted blood brothers, their Christian allies in the conservative camp. With so few offensive moves to make, they seem to be making the most aggressive, which is accusing people on the left of being anti-semitic.

It seems like this type of vitriol would be easy to dissipate were only a few Jewish doves popped their heads out to shatter the accusation, but it seems pretty quiet.

Lieberman and Dershowitz and their hawkish allies seem to be getting all the leverage on this one.

Apparently it's hard to disagree with an Israeli policy in this country without being accused of being anti-semitic. Which, of course I find to be incredibly strange, seeing as how, as an American I disagree with every single one of George Bush's policies and yet I will not tolerate being labeled anti-American because of it.

It also doesn't matter that, as an agnostic, I'm more frightened of the Christian Fundamentalist sect in this country than any other religion. What does THAT make me? Anti-Fun? Anti-Freeze?

I look forward to the day when people calm down, ratchet down the violence and begin to have a dialogue again. I miss those days. They disappeared the day Dumbya took office. I'm hoping they return the day he leaves, if not sooner.

Which progressives hate them because they're Jewish?

That's the point

Do you have a link for such blanket hatred of all Jewish politicians?

I'd like to see one.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200608090015

Summary: On his radio show, Rush Limbaugh agreed with a caller who called George Soros "a self-hating Jew." Limbaugh also proclaimed that "here is so much anti-Semitism today in the Democratic Party," later adding: "The seat of this anti-Semitism right now is focused in kooks, like Sheehan and the blogs and the MoveOn.org people and Soros."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200608090008

Summary: Addressing "anti-Semitic stuff directed at Joe Lieberman," Bill O'Reilly stated that "the far left in America is dominated by haters, people who despise their own country," adding that "he smear merchants are now all over the mainstream media and have spread like lice on the net."

I mean, I love 'em, but every time I see that picture in a comment of yours, it looks like he's posing as Mr. July in a Gay Cowboy Calendar.

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they blame us for what they are guilty of

but I have to admit I'm not a big Schumer fan - use to be but he has let me down too often....

I'm so sick of this anti-semitic accusation I could puke

I don't know a SINGLE Progressive that has any appreciable amount of racially-based animosity.

NGU.

Henry Wrinkler's Jewish :D Can the Republicans stop telling lies?

the list goes on and on.
Yeah, that's right progressive Democrats don't vote for Jews, Suuuure they don't. All those great Jewish Democrats must have been elected by conservatives. Uh-huh.
(oops Bernie isn't a Dem although he caucuses with the Dems--he is a progressive though, supported and elected by progressive Dems)

They also hate Black Politicians Politicians who are right wing A-Holes
and WASP Politicians who are right wing A-Holes
and Irish Politicians who are right wing A-Holes
and Christian Politicians who are right wing A-Holes
and Muslim Politicians who are right wing A-Holes
and Buddhist Politicians who are right wing A-Holes

Maybe they just Politicians who are right wing A-Holes. Ethnic or religious Bias has nothing to do with it.

their positions on unconditional support for Israel, right or wrong? I don't think that is "hate."
I sure don't hate my mom but I disagree with her on just about everything.

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Seriously, here in CA it's Feinstein and Boxer. :)

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Let's see the list of famous Jewish politicians from the Republicans' homeland states of the Old Confederacy. Go ahead and throw in ALL the Jewish names from the white Christian bastions of the Rocky Mountain states--you know those places on the map where white Christian separatists have their fenced compounds to "get away from it all". The Confederacy and Mountain states--that's the Republican "L" shaped base--must be a LOT of prominent Jewish Reps and Senators from there, right? Since you say the Democrats are the party of anti-Semitism and the Republicans are free of that bias, the Republicans must have a GREAT LEAD over Democrats in the total numbers of Jews elected from the ranks of their party to the House and Senate. Show me the list!

According to Wikipedia, as of 1/1/2006, there were 9 Jewish Senators from the Democratic Party versus only 2 Republicans--and that despite the fact that the Republicans have 55 to 44 advantage over Democrats in the Senate. No, it doesn't look good for the Limbaugh thesis, but then Limbaugh's theories never were much based on or affected by facts.

(And it would be TEN to one if Paul Wellstone hadn't been killed.)

The list just keeps.

Although he's just a lobbyist.

but for some reason it never registered what his religion was because most of the time unless someone is shoving it down my throat quite frankly I don't give a tinkers damn about that any more then I care about who they've been sexually relations with or are affection oriented toward.

What I DO care about are basic ethics and ISSUES. I need to know whether a politician/candidate's political stances on important issues over all align with mine and what I feel would be good for our country and the world.

So... even though I now know that Schumer is Jewish... I still think he's a pompous twit and... I'll still vote for him until he retires or until a Dem runs against him that aligns even better with my beliefs... that would probably be a Ted Kennedy type Dem. B-)

Left Wing Bigots... talk about an oxyMORON and a severe case of Projection to boot.

Paul Wellstone. I'm not from Minnesota and I loved him.