Fuck this, folks. I'm calling bullshit.

Yes, I'm claiming this "terror plot" is bullshit.

Even though the "explosive cocktail" idea is very plausible--yes, you could mix up an explosive into two harmless components, then stir them together into something that is very powerful. It's called a binary explosive. No problem there.

Detonating the binary explosive with a cell phone battery? It works too.

And bringing the components onto the plane using multiple terrorists, each carrying a different part of the bomb? Well...yeah, that makes sense too.

But I notice that this huge plot was "foiled" right after Holy Joe got his ass handed to him by an antiwar candidate. I also notice that the terrorists, if such there be, were targeting Massachusetts, New York and California airports--all blue states. And that all of the plotters remain at large.

Hmm...sound like something Karl Rove would gin up on the spur of the moment? "Oh shit! We're losing! Scream TERRA real loud!"

I guess Atlanta. But Buttfuck, Arkansas International Airport only has one Piper Cub a day landing.

Not all of us in red states are thrilled about misplaced electoral votes, but that doesn't mean we're bumpkins either.

and dirty tricks to come out red.

as does Houston Please-Don't-Call-It-Bush* Intercontinental.

Atlanta is NOTHING like the state of Georgia.

When you visit the ATL, just don't go outside I-285 (Perimeter Highway) - it gets pretty stupid out there in the sub-suburbs.

and it is just about 100% red. When I went to vote in the primary, I voted Democrat. There were candidates for county offices, but they weren't on my ballot because all the candidates were Republicans. Not one Democrat.

one of the world's busiest airports.

Or at least near it! :P

It's laughable. Even if the plot was real, you have to question the timing in releasing this information.

One always handy when needed. The real ones they probably aren't catching onto.

We're allowed to catch these dumbass incomps all the while the real punch is going to be landed and we'll never see it. Or, maybe we will but it'll be just what these fascists need to complete the take over.

on hogh alert 2 years? back on info that was 5 years old and Bushco's ratings were tanking then too!!!

going to protect you and Ned Lamont is part of the Jimmy Carter, weak liberal democrats who can't defend you.

IT'S ALL A SHAM.

Didn't we discuss here that there would be terra attacks just before the November elections? If the Dems win big and have the spine, then all of the * Crime Family's war crimes and crimes against the country can come to light.

My favorite part was how some of the people arrested have lived in the UK for 3 generations. Their great grand parents were buried in the UK. Their grand parents were buried in the UK. They only spoke english. Hmmmmm... mabey they complained too much?

One major failing of the tin-foilers is that they assume that there are no coincidences.

It's not like every bad things that happens is conncected to *, talk like that makes us no saner then the Freeps who rant on about how it's all Clinton's fault.

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Right when the boy king's numbers sink.

They know the coverage this will get them, and they also get to say that they saved us from it.

This is the october surprise. Wonder if it will help this time?

Our foreign policy makes them swoon with appreciation and with gladness in their hearts they embrace the U.S., Israel and Britain.

No muslim would ever want harm to come to the US and thus, there is absolutely no motive for them to retaliate for any 'wrongdoing'

:sarcasm:<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<just in case....for some people.

the real effect is that it has taken the world view OFF the invasion, attack and slaughter of Lebanese innocents by Israel and the fact that Iraq is a US failure and has descended into civil war.

That is it!

The American public should demand to know WHO was really behind 9-11. That will tell the tale on why this cabal has cried TERROR as a smokescreen.

It would serve so many purposes....

Their stated political endeavor to resurrect the security issue prior to elections.
To provide Britain an excuse to allow shipments of bombs to Israel from the U.S.
It would provide the necessary rationale (once again) for an invasion of Syria/Iran (who will no doubt be targeted as the perpetrator) and boost recruitment.
ETC.

I'm guessing we'll see some 'homemade' terrorism within a few weeks.
It worked so well last time....:eyes:

So by all means......buy your duct tape early this year.

I know that by now we've worn out the toaster predicting that Bush will be toast over some major abomination he put together, but this one he can't weasel his way out of.

Bush claims to be the Anti Muslim Terra President. He's built his whole presidency around the theory that he's the only one who can protect us from the Evil Muslim Terrorists.

This all sounds great so long as you can forget that the single most successful Muslim Terrorist Attack that has ever been run in the history of Muslim Terrorism happened in the country George Bush is supposedly the leader of, while he was supposedly the leader of it.

Let's see...the guy has made Muslim terrorism the single-minded focus of his whole administration, and then a pack of Muslim terrorists THAT WE KNEW ABOUT running an attack THAT WE KNEW ABOUT manage to blow something up. I don't think there's a freeper in America who could stand behind George if that happened.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

think when we hear red alert is oh right, give me a break. At least that is what I think when I hear another one of these half baked bullsh*t stories. I want these people to go away now. NOW! I have just had enough of this crap and may I add that I despise Joe Lieberman with the fire of 1000 suns. Thank you.

This is pure bullshit. They're just fucking with us. And I can bet 110% that this has everything and anything to do with Lieberman's loss. Remember Karl Rove offering to help Lieberman yesterday? This is retaliation.

Cause, those were the dangerous ingridients the're talking about.

an airport out in the Arizona desert somewhere. :eyes:

What? They've made 24 arrests so far.

else that they don't want us to hear about. Maybe it hasn't come out yet. There's got to be something ELSE.

Just keep yelling at the media for not doing their jobs. Lou Dobbs is doing the story about border patrol agents who were fired for arresting drug smugglers. Does that sound like "security" to you? It's all BULL SHIT!

Those agents hit the unarmed illegal in the face with the butt of a shotgun then when the man ran they fired 15 rounds at him, hitting him once in the buttock. The man managed to get back across into Mexico. He was driving a van loaded with 750 lbs of marijuana but I don;t think that really justifies shooting unarmed men in the back.

As far as the terrorist story being a huge conspiracy to cover up CT, that's pretty impressive that they got Pakistan to go along with it also huh. I hope the Democrats that get national media attention have enough sense not to throw that theory out there in any interviews. Paranoid stuff like that turns regular Democrat voters off, at least the ones I know.

to the 'friends of Bushco' in order that we can be safe. I believe the security sector micro-economy is doing great. Not to mention the great distraction, fear, and finger pointing opportunities that this generates.

That said, I think this time they will deliver us a 'terrorist attack', for many reasons. But the main one is that our country does NOT want to go into Syria/Iran and may need a little "incentive", as in 9/11.

when I heard this morning that you could not carry any liquid on board and that it had to go in the hold..I thought it was all bullshit....do less people die if something blows up in the the hold rather than in the passenger compartment?....

From what I can gather, this is how the op was supposed to go down:

Pre-arrival-at-airport: The Terrorist family builds their binary bomb. They put part of it in Mary's makeup, part in Joanie's hairspray, part in John's aftershave. They're going to set it off with a cell phone battery.

At airport: The Terrorist family goes through security. Mary's got her makeup case, Joanie has her hair stuff, John has his shaving kit. This is typical traveler stuff, so it passes with no problems.

On plane: Joanie decides to do a little "grooming." She borrows Mary's makeup and John's shaving kit and heads off to one of the restrooms that are touching the outer wall of the airliner. After grooming, she dumps the makeup and the aftershave into the hairspray, screws on the pump, shakes it a few times to mix the contents, then attaches the timer and shoves the bomb down the toilet into the holding tank.

An hour later: the bomb explodes and causes the plane to crash into the sea.

WH Official: "Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060810/pl_afp/britainatta...

<snip>

But Bush's Republicans hoped the raid would yield political gains.

"I'd rather be talking about this than all of the other things that Congress hasn't done well," one Republican congressional aide told AFP on condition of anonymity because of possible reprisals.

"Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big," said another White House official, who also spoke on condition of not being named, adding that some Democratic candidates won't "look as appealing" under the circumstances.




according to the Guardian, they've been monitoring this for several months:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6006659,00...

<snip>

Details of the plot only emerged for the first time in the early hours. But police later revealed the arrests followed an "unprecedented level of surveillance" - stretching back to December last year - involving meetings, movements, travel, spending and the "aspirations of a large group of people".

but i sent to mike malloy...

you can take and post..but i can't credit anyone( sorry if i am not crediting a DU'er!!)..because honestly i don't remember where i picked it up from..

fly

ok i found it ..its on greatest!! here is link to du thread!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1877057

:eyes:

There is nothing about Joe being defeated that factored into a multi-month investigation in another country.

This correlation = causation crap is flawed logic at best and just plain paranoid crap at worst.

OH NO ITS KARL! KARL RULES THE WORLD! WE ARE POWERLESS TO STOP HIM AND HIS MASSIVE INTERNATIONAL REACH!

Get a grip on a grain of reality. This is totally pointless and silly.

Scotland Yard did a very nice job in busting this ring. Maybe they rolled the ring up over the weekend, or late last week.

Now comes time to publicise their efforts. They were going to do it on Monday, so Bush gets a courtesy call from Blair on Sunday night.

Bush calls his advisors...Rove tells Bush to ask them to hold off for a few days.

Tuesday came. If Lieberman would have won, Bush would point to the bust as an example of his administration's successes in dealing with the international community on terra.

Lamont won, so Bush asked the Brits to act like the terra was imminent and Bush took the US to a wartime footing.

I just don't think we would have seen this reaction if Holy Joe would have won the primary.

Where is the "evidence" or the people the supposedly captured?

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-08-10T191106Z_01_L10913913_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-BRITAIN.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

What do you want Britain to do? Parade them out before the cameras? Oh wait, that would be a war crime...

I think many of the major discussions going on around here are completely missing the point.

Sure, there may be something to this "foiled terrorist plot." Just because they are constantly pissing on our feet and telling us it's raining doesn't mean that it can't actually rain.

But that's not the real issue here. The issue is not whether or not this plot is as full of crap as the MIAMI SEVEN. The issue is] that the Bush administration has once again teamed with our breathless chicken little corporate media to hype a "TERRA TERRA TERRA" story to kingdom come for strictly political reasons.

Scotland Yard may or may not have caught a bunch of dangerous would-be terrorists, and the timing of this may or may not have been orchestrated to the day. But there is one thing we know for sure, and that is that BushCo yelling "CODE RED! CODE RED! CODE RED!" about this already foiled plot was and is a calculated PR gambit. And our corporate media is, once again, more than happy to play Charlie Brown to BushCo's "TERRA ALERT" Lucy football.

You have to be a complete ignoramus to believe anything regarding terrorism from this administration. This administration allowed 9-11 and the anthrax attacks to happen on their watch.

Thats the trouble with most American media as well. Peoples opinions carry more weight than evidence. Hopefully we will see some evidence one way or the other shortly that can be used to make informed decisions.

I'm shocked, shocked!

Bush must have even more power than i thought, forcing entire overseas intelligence agencies to cooperate in the 'scam.'

One of the dumbest/most bizarre conspiracy theories I've ever heard thrown at this administration.

I can *sure* picture this administration having enough influence to get existing news sat on or released to schedule. Although I must admit the MSM does a pretty good job of this all on its own....

From the MSM (henceforth to be known as the CM for "captive media" or "corporate media," take your choice), no less!

NBC nightly news just reported as part of its lead story that the Bush administration pressured Scotland Yard, no less, into moving on the liquid bombers case a week sooner than was planned.

So there. :7

...the story is even getting out in Corporate Media about the timing of the bust. The Bushistas always do things "at a time of our own choosing" dontcha know.

It was a real operation.
The info was garnered by the SAS in Bangladesh and Pakistan.

They still believe on intelligence from human beings on the ground, not electonic "chatter"

islamists are pissed that their own government is waging a war on them with their own taxes.

Its really that simple at the bottom of it, and of course this will recruit rebellions
against the partner-of-coercion (usa - hence the 'trans-atlantic' nature)


That there be a terror plot, no suprise, that blair still stands defiant is the suprise, honestly.
He should go before V comes around to fix thins 'is bloody self...

the theories now emerging about LIHOP and MIHOP, you can see this British event as part of the big plan. I've been so furious all day because this could be the work of our evil empire, it's got U.S. intelligence paw prints all over it. And Tony Blair is a big part of the big plan. I hope that the truth comes out some day . . .

I imagine It will continue til November, too. Big freaking coincidence.
Did you hear Cheney's comments?
Cheney: Lieberman Loss ‘Disturbing’ Because al Qaeda Is ‘Betting They Can Break The Will of The American People’
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/10/cheney-ct/

Karl Rove doesn't run MI6, nor does he control the media.

The world does not revolve around Connecticut.

Stop crying wolf, it's fucking annoying.

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killed a business man from japan.
The idea is plausible.

But they would never target the same thing(s) twice.

Note this only makes sense if you aren't one of those conspiracy folks..

I guess that makes me a "conspiracy folk." So be it. :shrug:

there is no way Blair would disrupt the tourism of England to prmote the cause of conservatives in America

Your post is absurd. If all Democrats believed as you do, the public would rightly reject us in November.

to mess with left wing blogers, must take alot of caffeine.

become. It's probably gonna be my next column. I don't put ANYTHING past these people, especially since it's at least gotten out that they knew this was up BEFORE the Connecticut primary.

The hoax comes in when they do a 24/7 media blitz about how everyone is now in danger from a plot that was taken care of, and how Our Leader will save us from the brown people when he wasn't involved in the first place, and how Democrats are weaklings because we didn't do any more to stop it than Republicans did.

This is my first post here but I think you are right. Everything seems too well palnned for my liking.The whole thing stinks from the top down.

...bump-into-someone-and-go-boom explosives supposedly foiled by proven liars?

:sarcasm:

After the supposed plot was uncovered. Like they didn't know bombs could be made this way before. Please. :eyes:

It happens *two days* after Lieberman loses? The timing seems a bit suspect. I wish that some reporter would finally ask this question: Why do al-Qaeda's (supposed) actions always seem to benefit Bush?

Tammy

While the British plane-bombing suspects allegedly were planning their attacks, the Bush administration was seeking to quietly divert funds for developing new technologies that could have scanned for liquid explosives.

AP via ABC News:

While the British terror suspects were hatching their plot, the Bush administration was quietly seeking permission to divert $6 million that was supposed to be spent this year developing new homeland explosives detection technology.

Congressional leaders rejected the idea, the latest in a series of steps by the Homeland Security Department that has left lawmakers and some of the department’s own experts questioning the commitment to create better anti-terror technologies.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20060812_worst_timing_ever/

Mr Wizard? I'm still waiting for hem to actually report on actually what bombs they were going to use. As you see, thay haven't said a word about it. The only information was bogus, it was speculation from an unnamed US official. I'm not holding my breath for the truth either.

no doubt

I love your eleoquent delivery, I couldn't say it better.
These people only foil terrorist plots when there's an imminent election.