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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:25 AM
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could 36 men with M.E. names buy the airline tickets without notice?!
How could 36 men with Middle Eastern names purchase the required airline tickets with four men to a plane, same day, without some kind of trigger in the screening systems?

It's an impossible scenario, isn't it?

I don't believe there was any possibility this was a serious plot.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:28 AM
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1. Ummm... in London?
I'd guess hundreds of middle eastern men fly out of London each day.
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:28 AM
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3. make that thousands
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mtice Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:28 AM
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2. Isn't it illegal
To profile based on Middle Eastern names and ethnicity?
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:29 AM
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4. I have a feeling an inside agent instigated some seriously stupid
terrorists at an opportune moment for a quick scare...It's just too freaking opportune a moment.

:tinfoilhat:
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:32 AM
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7. ah yes
a cogent argument personified

"i have a feeling"

and the 'opportune moment' meme

equaully convincing


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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:35 AM
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9. Oh sorry. Things are always as they seem
This could have happened 2 years ago but it happened now just because...

:eyes:
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:39 AM
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again
things are not always as they seem

but "i have a feeling" is right up there with 'god told me so' as a cogent argument

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:42 AM
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13. Yeah, but it wasn't a cogent arguement but moreover a
personal statement.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:49 AM
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15. ok
i have a feeling that the illuminati and six green aliens conspired to blow up the planes and that the london police are just scapegoating these men because they were late on paying some parking fines

it's a personal statement :)

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:53 AM
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17. No, but it does underlie a personal attack
that you believe that I am a delusional kook who cannot seperate a possible reality from an obvious fantasy.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:54 AM
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18. nope
mine is a possible reality as well

arguably LESS possible than yours

but still possible

of course, your idea is POSSIBLE .

so is mine

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:29 AM
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5. Dupe
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 11:29 AM by YOY
n/t
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:30 AM
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6. lol
the denial is amazing

translation: the plot was thwarted. hence, it wasn.t serious

if somebody had told u pre911 that some guys could take down 4 planes using boxcutter would u have believed that?

4 planes hijacked with boxcutters, to be flown into the white house, the pentagon, and the WTC towers?

that's obviously not a serious plot (rolls eyes)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:44 AM
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14. Because most of us don't believe that 19 guys took down
those planes with box cutters.

I'd venture to say that most people here believe these men were ALLOWED to continue with their hijacking by this government because it would further their goals to invade Iraq. It was an opportunity taken by the PNAC within the Bush Administration.

And there are even some people here who believe that the government planned it all, anyway.

Either way, most people here quetions - to SOME degree - the official conspiracy theory on some level.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:51 AM
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16. who is most of us?
are u claiming that most people in DU think that buscho were complicit with the hijackers and ALLOWED them to do so?

i would suggest that such lunacy is in the minority in DU

what reason do u have to believe that your black helicopter conspiracy rubbish is the majoritarian viewpoint here?


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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:43 PM
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21. I actually didn't say that at all.
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 03:45 PM by Clark2008
What I SAID was that most people on DU don't believe the official conspiracy theory - either in total or at all.

There are varying degrees, but the vast majority of DUers - as evidenced by their posts - tend not to believe the official conspiracy theory word-for-word.

And, if you'd take a quick gander at the theory of inertia, you, too, might question the fall of Tower 2, in particular.

It's neither "black helicopterish" or "lunacy" to question something that seemed to happen so conveniently for both the terrorists and the subsequent war for which the Bush Administration neocons had pushed for years before 9/11.

That's the American way - nearly 40 percent of the GENERAL population believe it's highly or very likely that 9/11 was an "inside job."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/279827_conspiracy02ww.html

I'd say that's true here: about a third believe it was an inside job.

On top of that, I think another third of DUers think this administration let it happen on purpose and the final third believes entirely or some variation of the official version. That means that 2/3rds don't believe a thing this government tells us: pretty accurate for DU.





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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:46 PM
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22. thank you for the clarification
imo, anybody who thinks our govt. conspired with al qaeda to fell the towers is aloon, but i am glad to see you do not think the majority of du'ers think this

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:49 PM
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23. LOL, most DUers arn't tin-foilers.
You tinfoilers make the rest of us DUers look like morons. On other boards I post at, people, even far-left people, think of DUers as all conspiracy nuts because of you guys.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:33 AM
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8. Great Britian has
a large Pakistani/Indian population. 36 men with mid-eastern names buying tickets would never come up on the radar unless they were on some watch list. Of course the way watch lists go, the plane would be half way to JFK before anyone noticed.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:36 AM
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10. Oh, come on
There are four people with Arabic names on every flight from the U.K. to the U.S.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:39 AM
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11. Maybe they should change their names to something like Wilbur Smalls
or John Romanowski, etc. think that would throw up a red flag?

Is it their names, ethnicity or both that are factors?
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:39 AM
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12. thousands of men with middle eastern names fly every day
honestly, why would 36 middle eastern men buying tickets trigger any kind of anything?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:01 PM
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19. So far they have arrested 24 nitwits. So I don't know where the others
are. They claimed to have rounded them all up. This story makes no sense at all.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:15 PM
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20. Tell us more about these 'screening systems'
I think they would have to be fairly sophisticated to tie together many people from separate addresses using 3 or more airlines and probably different booking agents, when they have relatively common names in the UK (their names look fairly typical for those of Pakistani origin, and there's about a million of those in the UK). Do you know anout a government system that monitors all airline tickets and compares them? Unless these people were on the American 'no fly' list, I don't think anything would pick up their purchases as unusual.
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