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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:37 PM
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Does Jacob Weisberg accurately describe Lamont supporters? (Of course not)
http://www.slate.com/id/2147395/nav/tap1/

Lieberman's opponents are not entirely wrong about the war. The invasion of Iraq was, in ways that have since become hard to dispute, a terrible mistake. There were no weapons of mass destruction to be dismantled, we had no plan for occupying the country, and our troops remain there only to prevent the civil war we unleashed from turning into a bigger and more horrific civil war. Just about everyone now agrees that the sooner we find a way to withdraw, the better for us and for the Iraqis. The problem for the Democrats is that the anti-Lieberman insurgents go far beyond simply opposing Bush's faulty rationale for the war, his dishonest argumentation for it, and his incompetent execution of it. Many of them appear not to take the wider, global battle against Islamic fanaticism seriously. They see Iraq purely as a symptom of a cynical and politicized right-wing response to Sept. 11, as opposed to a tragic misstep in a bigger conflict. Substantively, this view indicates a fundamental misapprehension of the problem of terrorism. Politically, it points the way to perpetual Democratic defeat.


<------- How Slate sees Lamont Dems. :eyes:
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:40 PM
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1. He actually is right about one thing
"They see Iraq purely as a symptom of a cynical and politicized right-wing response to Sept. 11,"

That's the 100% truth. Iraq was a politicized and elective war that had nothing to do with the WOT. I'm shocked anyone can still say Iraq is part of the WOT with a straight face these days... What a tool!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:42 PM
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2. You're exactly right about that,
And that is a totally accurate perception of the Iraq war.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:58 PM
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4. In fact, that really bears closer scrutiny.
Weisberg's tossing it off as a looney idea is profoundly disturbing. All of the evidence I've seen about the prelude to the war supports the idea that it was in the planning long before 9/11 and, in fact, *was* cynically tied to 9/11 to make it more saleable to the American public. How anyone who calls himself objective (let alone "liberal") could not see that is baffling. How could any regime change imposed unilaterally (and it could only have been unilaterally imposed, considering how the rest of the world and sane people everywhere feel about the idea of externally imposed regime change) have ended up any differently?

Weisberg betrays his utter beholdenness to (as Krugman put it in his column today) a "Planet Beltway" view of reality.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:55 PM
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3. What the hell happened to Slate?
I guess maybe larger paychecks.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:59 PM
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5. It's lousy with New Republic toss-offs.
Or jerkoffs, as the case may be.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:12 PM
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6. The root cause is oil, of course.
We need it. They have it. And we will allow any blood-thirsty dictator, podunk king, or Islamic fanatic to sell it to us - just as long as they keep it flowing. Until and unless this dynamic changes, you can forget about freedom and democracy taking root & flowering in the ME. A real democratic govt might actually use the oil money it gets for the benefit of the majority of its citizens rather than the enrichment of a few elites, the multinational oil conglomerates and their minions (like W and Dick).

And if they turn off the spigot for any reason, or try to nationalize, we attack them.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:13 PM
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7. Anti-Lieberman "insurgents"??
God, this man is an asshat of the highest order.
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