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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:26 PM
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Lou Dobbs Reports on the 9/11 lies exposed in new book by Co-Chairs
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 02:26 PM by debbierlus
Moderators...Please let this stay in the general discussion as it is NEW & CURRENT news, not rehashing of any old information. This is an important video that everyone should see!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahv3VdknyZ4

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:29 PM
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1. You know what?
THIS is what they are afraid of. THIS is why they are trying to scare the living shit out of everyone.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:12 PM
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14. I think you're right
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:31 PM
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19. Yes. This is the one scandal of them all that would bring down the
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 03:33 PM by Nothing Without Hope
bushies and their enablers if the truth came out. Terrible as their other crimes here and around the world are, the immediate and visceral response to learning that the 9/11 attacks were MIHOP or LIHOP would do what nothing else could. (I believed that the attacks were LIHOP almost immediately, but it wasn't long before I came to believe that it was all planned - LIHOP.)

And they know it.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:36 PM
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2. kick
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:38 PM
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3. HOLY SH*T... Thank You Lou
Mods... don't lock this.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:39 PM
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4. k&r !!
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:41 PM
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5. Just WOW!!!!
Could people be slowly waking up? God, I hope so. With a government infested with criminals, they`ve got to be exposed to the American people for what they really are. Sneaky Snakes everyone of them.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:19 PM
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25.  Sneaky Snakes
after my rootbeer....Conway Twitty
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ThsMchneKilsFascists Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 03:12 AM
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107. actually it was Tom T. Hall
(I had this 8-track as a tot. Very good stuff)

Tom T Hall
Sneaky Snake

Boys and girls take warning, if you go near the lake
Keep your eyes wide open, and look for sneaky snake
Now maybe you won't see him, maybe you won't hear
But he'll sneak up behind you, and drink all your root beer

And then sneaky snake goes dancin', wigglin' and a-hissin'
Sneaky snake goes dancin', gigglin' and a-kissin'
I don't like old sneaky snake; he laughs too much you see
When he goes wigglin' through the grass, it tickles his underneath

Well, sneaky snake drinks root beer, and he just makes me sick
When he is not dancin', he looks just like a stick
Now, he doesn't have any arms or legs, you cannot see his ears
And while we are not lookin', he's stealin' all of our beer

And then sneaky snake goes dancin', wigglin' and a-hissin'
Sneaky snake goes dancin', gigglin' and a-kissin'
I don't like old sneaky snake; he laughs too much you see
When he goes wigglin' through the grass, it tickles his underneath
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:42 AM
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138. good lord
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:58 AM
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141. $neak$ $nake$
PNAC =

They want more, not less, so they create more.
They know it's their way to gain (using fear).
Iraq has made us weaker and increases anger.
And we know that's what the crazy PNAC wants.
They make tons of profits from creating more.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:44 PM
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6. Lou Dobbs asks too much by asking for a full investigation
I don't feel we'll ever get a full accounting of what happened on that day.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:25 PM
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18. Good job, Lou!
Now where are the cheap labor supporters? Why aren't they posting on this thread I wonder?
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:45 PM
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7. Chilling. Think about what this could truly mean.
This alone could bring down our entire government. From Bush all the way down. This could very well be Bush's Watergate, only on a much more severe level.

With Lou Dobbs talking about it, people WILL notice. Remember the Dubai Ports deal, Dobbs was one of the major players in getting the message across about the implications of that sour deal.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:41 AM
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53. also, I think Lou started the whole
immigration debate because of his program. He just wouldn't let go. If he would do that to electoral fraud and 9/11 we would have a real ally in the media
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:53 PM
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8. He needs to tie the Weldon "Able Danger" account back to the
knowingly lies to the commission and start putting the pieces together.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:54 PM
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9. "Federal government deceived and perpetuated a lie" Lou says.
"Federal government" is a euphemism for "Bush Administration.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:26 PM
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26. What else did he say? Can you fill me in?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:09 PM
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30. Click on the link provided by the OP. You'll get the entire interview.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:44 PM
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77. No, Lou probably still blames "bad intellegence", its the official
Republican scapegoat.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:55 PM
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10. I Posted This A Couple of Times But Virtually Nobody Commented On It.....
Perhaps there is another explanation for our new alerts:

In the last couple of weeks we've had the stories in the Washington Post, the New York Times, as well as the release of the transcripts of the NORAD tapes in Vanity Fair, clearly show that the 9/11 Commission failed in its duties. We had Rolling stone publish a story which generates more questions than it answers about the event that changed everything everywhere.

We found out for the first time that a bunch of exercises including ones about hijacking took place simultaneously to the 911 response - screwing it up.

We heard reports from members of the committee appointed by congress to inquire into 911 (The 911 Commission) that knew they were being lied to and yet published a cover-up report anyway.

Could it be we were getting too close to the truth and a diversion was needed to take the heat off?

This to me is why we are under Code Red/Orange.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:17 PM
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16. sorry I missed your earlier postings
The forum was having a quick turnover the past few days with Lamont/Lieberman and then the stuff yesterday.

I've posted stuff too that seemed to languish and then disappear. And, I can't tell you how many times I've come back later and seen the same thing on the "greatest page" posted by someone else, hours if not days after I originally posted it. At least the information is getting out there and people do take notice.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:40 PM
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21. Once people ask the quesiton WHY did they need to lie the damn will burst
Could get ugly.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:43 PM
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22. Truly. It goes hand-in-hand with "WHO benefitted?"
Ask yourself that one and your worst nightmares start to make sense.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:15 PM
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23. Ain't that the truth. Answer those two questions and everything they do is
quite predictable.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:33 PM
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39. Logical, critical examination of 9/11 has been missing since day 1

It is LONG past due.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:58 PM
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28. Not just why did they lie but why did the 9/11 Commission let them
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 05:03 PM by petgoat
get away with it?

Cheney lied too, and they let him get away with it too.

Newsweek reported it 2/27/06.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11436302/site/newsweek/page/6/

Cheney testified to the 9/11 Commission that he spoke with President Bush before giving an order to shoot down a hijacked civilian airliner that appeared headed toward Washington. (The plane was United Flight 93, which crashed in a Pennsylvania field after a brave revolt by the passengers.) But a source close to the commission, who declined to be identified revealing sensitive information, says that none of the staffers who worked on this aspect of the investigation believed Cheney's version of events.

A draft of the report conveyed their skepticism. But when top White House officials, including chief of staff Andy Card and the then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, reviewed the draft, they became extremely agitated. After a prolonged battle, the report was toned down. The factual narrative, closely read, offers no evidence that Cheney sought initial authorization from the president. The point is not a small one. Legally, Cheney was required to get permission from his commander in chief, who was traveling (but reachable) at the time. If the public ever found out that Cheney gave the order on his own, it would have strongly fed the view that he was the real power behind the throne.



There's a lot in those two paragraphs if you know your 9/11
timeline and know about Norman Mineta's testimony. I think
this was Newsweek's notice to Cheney that they knew about it.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:58 AM
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68. Commission co-chairs, Kean and Hamilton will be on Meet the Press, Sunday.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:55 PM
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11. Thank you Lou!
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 02:59 PM by Independent_Liberal
IRAQ, PLAME, ABRAMOFF, BIG OIL, DOJ, FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, NORAD, CENTCOM, FAA, DOD, ETC.
All Roads Lead to 9/11 Commission Cover-Up

http://www.defraudingamerica.com/911_index.html

<snip>
Highly Sensitive Information on Misconduct
In Government Offices,
Some Enabling the Aircraft Hijackings of 9/11

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/postelection.html

<snip>
A Post-Election Wrap-Up:
Iraq, 9/11, Drugs, Cheney, and Watergate Two
by Peter Dale Scott
< Home | 9/11 Webpage >
27 November 2004





Possible Issues for Indictment
9/11 as an Issue for Impeachment
The FBI's Suppression of Yousef's 1994
Plane Hijacking Plot (Bojinka Two)
The 9/11 Commission's Prolongation
of Earlier Cover-Ups
What Happened on September 11, 2001?
The Challenge of Watergate Two
Footnotes


<snip>
Footnotes

Financial Times, 11/23/04, "Strains Show at Conference on Iraq's Future."


Newsweek 9/27/04, "War-Gaming the Mullahs, The U.S. Weighs the price of a pre-emptive strike," by John Barry and Dan Ephron, quoted in an important article by William Clark, "Iran is the Next Target: The Emerging Euro-denominated International Oil Marker," 10/27/04.


"Meet the Press" Transcript, MSNBC, 11/7/04.


This fight is threatening to become a public brawl, as amusing tidbits like the following appear in the press: "Mr Goss's initial attempt to bring Michael Kostiw, an Intelligence Committee aide, with him from Capitol Hill fell apart when it was leaked that Mr Kostiw had been forced to leave the CIA 20 years ago after being arrested for stealing a packet of bacon" (London Times, 11/15/04).


David Wise, "Sycophant Spies," Los Angeles Times, 11/21/04.


"2 top officials resign in CIA shakeup," CBC News, 11/16/04.


Sidney Blumenthal, "Bush's night of the long knives," Salon, 11/17/04.


Spencer Ackerman, "Killing the messenger," Salon, 11/16/04.


The story of the the CIA's role in the Watergate crisis has never been adequately told. A good short introduction is John C. Klotz, "Hollywoodstein: Coverup That Worked," East Side Express, 5/13/76. But other agencies, including the FBI, also played a role. There is good evidence for Klotz's identification of "Deep Throat" as Robert Bennett, head of a CIA proprietary called the Mullen Agency, where Howard Hunt worked after his so-called "retirement." But "Deep Throat" may have been a composite portrait, and other journalists have speculated that he might represent James Adams, a senior FBI agent. See also Jim Hougan, Secret Agenda: Watergate, Deep Throat, and the CIA (New York: Random House, 1984); J. Anthony Lukas, Nightmare: The Underside of the Nixon Years (New York: Viking, 1976); Fred Emery, Watergate (New York: Touchstone, 1995).


Dana Milbank, "Bush Seeks to Rule The Bureaucracy, Appointments Aim at White House Control," Washington Post, 11/22/04: "In a flurry of actions in recent days, he and his top lieutenants have taken steps to quell dissent at two fractious agencies -- the CIA and the State Department -- and to increase White House control over others, including the Justice and Education departments."


Jim Lobe, Neocons Gone Wild," TomPaine.com, 11/8/04.


Eric Boehlert, "Operation American Repression?" Salon.com, 9/29/04.


Eric Boehlert, "Reality-based reporting," Salon, 10/20/04.


James K. Galbraith, "You Can't Run the World on Faith," Salon, 10/18/04.


Michael Massing, Now They Tell Us: The American Press and Iraq, quoted in Eric Boehlert, "Team Bush declares war on the New York Times," Salon, 10/19/04. On 9/18/04 the New York Times reported how Cheney refused to grant the Times a place among the ten seats reserved for the press on Air Force Two.


Eric Boehlert, "Team Bush declares war on the New York Times," quoting Susan Tifft, co-author with Alex Jones of The Trust: The Private and Powerful Family Behind the New York Times (Boston: Little Brown, 1999).


Eric Boehlert, "Reality-based reporting," Salon, 10/20/04.


As a right-wing website reports, Republican Congressman Ron Paul has said of the so-called "Patriot Two" draft bill, ""Patriot Two would endanger the liberty of every American citizen and destroy what remains of America's constitutional republic. This proposal gives the Federal Government expanded power to snoop into the private affairs of American citizens without acquiring a warrant or meeting the constitutional standards of probable cause. However, perhaps the most disturbing portion of the draft is the provision that would give the government the power to revoke United States citizenship for engaging in political activity" (Trading Freedom for Security," by William F. Jasper, The New American, 5/5/03).


Peter Lance, Cover Up: What The Government is Still Hiding About the War on Terror, Regan Books, 9/1/04, pp. 133-36, 143-47, 246-48.


Patrick Martin, "Expanding Halliburton probe confirms Bush administration is most corrupt in US history," World Socialist Website, 10/30/04.


Connecting The Dots - S.B. Writer Peter Lance Dismisses 9/11 Commission Report in Cover Up, by Nick Welsh, Santa Barbara Independent Online, 9/9/04.


Lance, Cover Up, 87. For details on the threat posed by Scarpa Jr.'s testimony, see J.R. de Szigethy, "MOB WAR! Part III, Mob Murders Investigations Continue," AmericanMafia.com, January 2004.


"The younger Scarpa ran a lucrative marijuana operation in Brooklyn and Staten Island for the Colombo family. Not only was his crew dealing, but also forcing just about every drug dealer in Bensonhurst to pay a `street tax'" (The Chosen One; After spending most of her career putting drug dealers and mobsters behind bars, Valerie Caproni landed one of the most coveted legal jobs in the intelligence community," by Robert Vosper, Corporate Legal Times, October, 2004).


In his website, Ganglandnews.com, Capeci has taken issue with a small detail of Lance's account, but without repeating the allegations against Simone or challenging the central allegations against himself: "Mob Buddy Plays The Rainbow Room," by Jerry Capeci, GangLand, 11/18/04.


Jeff Donn, "FBI's bargain written in blood, Blind eye turned to mob informers," AP, 7/28/02.


Richard C. Lindberg, "Raising Cain," Search International, 2001.


J. R. de Szigethy, "Crime Scene -- World Trade Center," AmericanMafia.com, September 2004.


Scarpa FD-302 of 12/29/96, See Page 22 of GVHLFScarpa.pdf from www.forensic-intelligence.org (Scarpa FBI 302s).


Lance, Cover Up, 58, cf. 82.


de Szigethy, "Crime Scene -- World Trade Center:" "The murders were the result of a plot by members of an organized crime syndicate involved in drug trafficking." Cf. Peter Dale Scott, Drugs, Oil, and War (Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield, 2003), 30-31. In addition, there were rumors of counterfeiting at the Alkifah Center in Brooklyn where Yousef's WTC plot was based (Posner, Why America Slept, Chapter 1.).


"Evidence Presented to the British Parliament, 4th October 2001," Los Angeles Times, 10/4/01.



For the incredible details, see Paul Thompson, 911 Timeline, "Timeline Entries About Nabil Al-Marabh," 1989-10/20/01.


"Report: FBI probe targeted drugs, not terrorism," by Maggie Mulvihill, Boston Herald, 10/17/01.


Peter Lance, 1000 Years for Revenge (New York: Regan Books/HarperCollins, 2003), 350; emphasis in original. There was also no reference to the hijacking plot in lengthy FBI interviews taken separately with the two chief conspirators, Yousef and Abdul Hakim Murad (Lance, 1000 Years, 281, 298). This limitation of FBI interest in Yousef's plotting also drew the attention of the Congressional Joint Inquiry Staff, who offered a non-conspiratorial explanation: "Murad was charged only for his involvement in the plot to blow up 12 airliners over the Pacific, and not for the other aspects of the Bojinka Plot. The plans to crash a plane into CIA headquarters and to assassinate the Pope were only at the `discussion' stage and therefore not included in his indictment. The FBI's criminal investigative file reflects the focus of the prosecution. The Joint Inquiry Staff located almost no references to the plan to crash a plane into CIA headquarters in the FBI's investigatory files on the case. The FBI agents interviewed by the Joint Inquiry Staff about the Bojinka Plot confirmed this focus, stating that this case was about the plan to blow up 12 airliners and that the other aspects of the plot were not part of the criminal case and therefore not considered relevant" (Joint Inquiry Staff Statement, Part I, Statement to Congressional Committees of Eleanor Hill, Staff Director, Joint Inquiry Staff, 9/18/02).


According to Col. Rodolfo Mendoza, the Philippines Police investigator who first interrogated Murad, the targets for the hijacked planes included the Pentagon. (Another interrogator reported that an additional target was the World Trade Center.) Mendoza heard in February 1995 from Murad (who had himself undergone pilot training) that "there were other Middle Eastern pilots training" (Lance, 1000 Years, 279). Lance writes that by December 1994, the evidence "shows that flight training for some students was well under way" (1000 Years, 234).


Actually Scarpa Jr. had told the FBI in March 1996 that Yousef was predicting two bombings: one on an airliner, and another at the Atlanta Olympics (Scarpa Jr. FBI FD-302 of 3/9/96, www.forensic-intelligence.org). Lance does not discuss the 1996 Atlanta bombing, perhaps because Yousef later disowned it. But Yousef did so at a meeting where he feared being overheard, and refused to discuss the TWA bombing as well.


Cover Up, 213, emphasis in original.


Cover Up, 214.


Cover Up, 51; 1000Years, 339.


Patrick Fitzgerald, Testimony before 9/11 Commission, June 16, 2004.


According to his biography at the Anti-Defamation League's conference, The Terrorist & Extremist Threat - Protecting America In A New Era.


Peter Dale Scott, "9/11 Commission Misses FBI's Embarrassing Al Qaeda Dealings," Pacific News Service, 6/24/04, quoting from Judy Aita, "Ali Mohamed: The Defendant Who Did Not Go to Trial," U.S. Dept. of State, 5/15/01. Without supplying details, Lance also asserts that Mohamed was an FBI informant (Cover Up, 186).


Newsweek, 1/10/01.


Peter Dale Scott, "How to Fight Terrorism," California Monthly, September 2004. Mohamed's companion, Essam Marzouk, is now serving 15 years of hard labor in Egypt, after having been arrested in Azerbaijan. As of November 2001, Mohamed had still not been sentenced and was still believed to be supplying information from his prison cell.


" Canada freed top al-Qaeda operative," by Estanislao Oziewicz and Tu Thanh Ha, Globe and Mail, 11/22/01.


"Mohamed "worked briefly as a CIA informant in the early 1980s" (Peter L. Bergen, Holy War, Inc. , 67). From 1987 to 1989, Mohamed "walked the halls of the U.S. military's top warfare planning center at Fort Bragg for more than two years as an Army Sergeant" ("An al Qaeda operative at Fort Bragg," by John Sullivan and Joseph Neff, Raleigh News & Observer, 11/14/01). "He was assigned to the U.S. Special Operations Command in Fort Bragg, the home of the Green Berets and the Delta Force, the elite counterterrorism squad" (San Francisco Chronicle, 11/4/01).


"Terror `Blowback' Burns CIA, America's spies paid and trained their nation's worst enemies," by Andrew Marshall, Independent, 11/1/98: "Mr. Mohamed, it is clear from his record, was working for the U.S. government at the time he provided the training: he was a Green Beret, part of America's Special Forces. . . . A confidential CIA internal survey concluded that it was `partly culpable' for the World Trade Centre bomb, according to reports at the time." Cf. Bergen, Holy War, Inc., 127-36.


Peter Dale Scott, "How to Fight Terrorism," California Monthly, September 2004.


Lance, 1000 Years, 339.


Lance, 1000 Years, 42; citing New York Times, 12/16/90; Los Angeles Times, 2/11/96.


Robert I. Friedman, "The CIA and the Sheikh" (Village Voice, 3/30/93).


Griffin, The New Pearl Harbor, 85.


Lance, 1000 Years, 233-35.


Washington Post, 10/3/01; quoted in Mike Ruppert, Crossing the Rubicon, 125. Ruppert quotes also from the 11/6/01 Village Voice: "One US intelligence source in the region called the lost opportunity a disgrace. `We kidnap minor drug czars and bring them back in burlap bags. Somebody didn't want this to happen.'" One possible explanation may be the repeated US working alliances with al Qaeda elements in Azerbaijan, Kosovo (the Kosovo Liberation Army), and elsewhere (cf. Washington Times, 5/3/99, Scott, Drugs, Oil, and War, 29). In 2004 a USAID Report confirmed that "Training and management specialists of the Kosovo Protection Corps, a civilian response unit consisting primarily of former Kosovo Liberation Army members, have been brought to Haiti" (Anthony Fenton, "Kosovo Liberation Army helps establish `Protectorate' in Haiti," citing Flashpoints interview, 11/19/04, www.flashpoints.net).


As noted above, this statement in the 9/11 Report had its origins in the Commission's Staff Statement No. 16, co-written by Snell. See Lance's discussion and rebuttal in Cover Up, 212-21.


This claim first entered the record in a prepared statement by Executive Director Philip Zelikow at the June 16, 2004 hearing. After appeaing in the Report, it was repeated verbatim by Commission Vice Chair Lee Hamilton in a prepared statement to the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, 9/29/04. In covering up the role of al Qaeda in drug trafficking, Hamilton repeated his performance of 1987, when he conspiratorially covered up the involvement of Contras in drug trafficking. See Peter Dale Scott and Jonathan Marshall, Cocaine Politics: Drugs, Armies, and the CIA in Central America (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1998).


Los Angeles Times, 10/4/01.



"US `seizes al-Qaeda drugs ship'," BBC News, 12/19/03.


Alfred W. McCoy, The Politics of Heroin (Chicago: Chicago Review/ Lawrence Hill, 2003); Peter Dale Scott, Drugs, Oil, and War, 27-33, 46-50.


See the devastating critique of the Commission's unsupported changes to the official record by Michael Kane, "ANALYZING THE 9/11 REPORT: Chapter 1: Omissions, Contradictions and Falsehoods" (History Channel, 8/26/04.)


Paul Thompson, "The Failure to Defend the Skies on 9/11," The Center for Cooperative Research.


Compare, e.g., "Exercise Jump-Starts Response to Attacks, by William B. Scott, Aviation Week, 6/3/02: "At Norad, Glover phoned Arnold, telling him Vice President Cheney had given the authorization to shoot down any threatening aircraft in order to save lives on the ground."


Xymphora, "911 : Cheney's `Shoot down-order'," GlobalFreePress.com, 6/19/04.


I particularly recommend Part Three of his massive, 676-page book. It is the core of his case that the events of 9/11 were crimes for which Cheney above all should be held responsible, with a possible explanation of why on that day Bush was kept so long out of the loop.


Tripod II was interrupted and not fully implemented. However in preparation for it FEMA (the Federal Emergency Management Agency) and OEM (the New York City Office of Emergency Management) had moved out of their offices in World Trade Center 7 and into what New York magazine, "Man Behind The Mayor," by Amanda Griscom (10/15/01) called "a cavernous commercial warehouse" on Pier 92. As a result FEMA (which reports to Cheney) and OEM were not in their New York offices of WTC-7 when the building was evacuated on 9/11, and subsequently collapsed. Ruppert attaches considerable importance to the role of FEMA on 9/11, because of its responsibility for Continuity of Government (COG) operations, the so-called "shadow government" which is to designed to supersede constitutional authority in event of crisis (Ruppert, Crossing the Rubicon, 404-18; New York Times, 11/18/91; Village Voice, 3/13-19/02). Cheney and Rumsfeld have been actively associated with COG for two decades, even in the 1980s when Cheney was a Congressman and Rumsfeld the CEO of a drug company (James Mann, The Rise of the Vulcans: The History of Bush's War Cabinet, New York: Viking, 2004).


Michael Kane, "The Final Fraud," From the Wilderness, 7/9/04; quoted in Ruppert, Crossing the Rubicon, 394; cf.390.


Paul Thompson, "The Failure to Defend the Skies on 9/11," The Center for Cooperative Research.


The leadership of the 9/11 Commission announced that their records would be released on January 9, 2009, in other words only in the final month of a possible second Bush presidency.


In January 2002, when the Senate was considering a bill to establish what became the 9/11 Commission, "both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney personally lobbied Senate majority leader Tom Daschle to back off. `The vice president expressed the concern that a review of what happened on September 11 would take resources and personnel away from the . . . war on terrorism,' Daschle told reporters" (Lance, Cover Up, 135, citing CNN.com, 1/29/02).

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/1/1955/10277

<snip>
Abramoff and Able Danger: Confirmed: US Intel told "hands off money laundering"
by lawnorder
Sat Oct 01, 2005 at 04:05:04 PM PDT
From a source that has nothing to do w/ Able Danger, Abramoff or Suncruz: Sibel Edmomds


Letter to Thomas Kean from Sibel Edmonds

.. To this date the public has not been told of intentional blocking of intelligence..This was the case prior to 9/11, and remains in effect after 9/11. If Counterintelligence receives information that contains money laundering, illegal arms sale, and illegal drug activities, directly linked to terrorist activities; and if that information involves certain nations, certain semi-legit organizations, and ties to certain lucrative or political relations in this country, then, that information is not shared with Counterterrorism, regardless of the possible severe consequences


On Other Abramoff News
a lot of people have been tying Abramoff to Atta based on the confirmed visit of 9/11 terrorists to Abramoff's SunCruz Casino, which made news last week because of the, also confirmed, NY mob involvement in the murder of one of it's owners

lawnorder's diary :: ::

The big question here is: What are Christian politicians doing with people who think changing a company's management is a matter of.. calling in "Big Tony?"
ManCow on Delay / Abramoff's SunCruz problems

Confirmed: Abramoff ties to Heroin, Mob and Casinos


Untangling a Lobbyist's Stake in a Casino Fleet
It was a gangland-style hit straight out of "Goodfellas."

A man in a BMW was driving down a quiet side street after an evening meeting at his Fort Lauderdale office when a car slowed to a stop in front of him. A second car boxed the BMW in from behind, then a dark Mustang appeared from the opposite direction. The Mustang's driver pulled alongside and pumped three hollow-point bullets into the BMW driver's chest.

The dead man was Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis built an empire of restaurants, hotels and cruise ships used for offshore casino gambling. Boulis's slaying, still unsolved four years later, reverberated all the way to Washington. Months earlier he had sold his fleet of casino ships to a partnership that included Republican superlobbyist Jack Abramoff...

Kidan hired a security firm to assess what kind of threat was posed by Boulis.. He alleged that Boulis vowed to have him killed. A week later, SunCruz made the first of $145,000 in payments to Moscatiello. Three checks for $10,000 each were made to Jennifer Moscatiello, daughter of Anthony, and $115,000 to Gran-Sons, a company the Moscatiellos ran..

Moscatiello has been described by law enforcement as an unofficial bookkeeper for New York City's Gambino crime family.

He and Kidan first met about 1990 when Kidan was running a bagel business in the Hamptons. Moscatiello had been indicted on federal heroin-trafficking charges in 1983 along with Gene Gotti, brother of John Gotti, the boss of the Gambinos. Moscatiello was accused of trying to dissuade witnesses from testifying in the case.

(See also Daily Kos: Casinogate: more information on the hitmen)


Confirmed: Abramoff's Suncruz visited by 9/11 terrorists (Atta?)
Casinos, Terrorists and Money Laundering:
Joseph Cannon, of Cannonfire fame, guest writing on THE BRAD BLOG calls attention for a series of 2001 and 2002 articles shows us that Atta was indeed at SunCruz and that Al Qaeda used casinos for money laundering:

Casino Watch-Terrorists at Casinos

Hijackers' Tracks in Las Vegas
Gambling Strip Combed for Evidence of Several Terrorists
LAS VEGAS -- Additional FBI agents are being brought to this city to chase down hundreds of leads and track the movements of terrorists who repeatedly visited here in the months before the Sept. 11 attacks. Mohamed Atta, a suspected ringleader of the terrorist attack that left more than 5,000 people dead, made at least two trips here. In addition to Atta, authorities also believe that Marwan Al-Shehhi, Nawaf Alhazmi, Hani Hanjour and Ziad Samir Jarrah also visited the city. All five men were killed in the attacks in New York and Washington.
By William Booth Washington Post Staff Writer 9/14/01

Terrorists had no apparent reason to visit Las Vegas ...
So why did they?
On June 28 at Boston's Logan Airport, Mohamed Atta boarded a United Airlines flight and flew first class nonstop to San Francisco, where he bypassed the bohemian North Beach district and didn't take the cruise to Alcatraz. Instead, Atta took the first of two side trips to Las Vegas.
On Aug. 10, Hani Hanjour and Nawaf Alhazmi used first-class tickets for a United flight from Dulles Airport near Washington, D.C., to Los Angeles International Airport, then on to Las Vegas. Las Vegas FBI Special Agent in Charge Grant Ashley candidly admitted that the whole story of the terrorists' Las Vegas connection may never be known. Authorities on the hijackers' sponsor, Osama bin Laden, note that counterfeiting has been one of the al-Qaida terrorist network's signatures. Were the hijackers passing off funny money? Spies and arms dealers have made this a second home for more than a generation.
11/4/01 Las Vegas Review-Journal COLUMN: John L. Smith

SunCruz Casinos turns over documents in terrorist probe
TAMPA, Fla. - SunCruz Casinos has turned over photographs and other documents to FBI investigators after employees said they recognized some of the men suspected in the terrorist attacks as customers.
Michael Hlavsa, chairman of the gambling cruise company, said Wednesday two or three men linked to the Sept. 11 hijackings may have been customers on a ship that sailed from Madeira Beach on Florida's gulf coast.
9/26/01 By VICKIE CHACHERE Associated Press Writer and Florida Times-Union

Terror suspects spent $100,000 in casino scam
Buffalo duo likely tried to launder cash
HAMILTON -- Two members of an alleged Al Qaeda cell arrested in Buffalo last week spent at least $100,000 (U.S.) at Casino Niagara in what Ontario officials suspect were money-laundering attempts. Federal prosecutors in Buffalo, where the American-born suspects are in a bail hearing this week, have painted the men as wily members of an Al Qaeda "sleeper" cell, based in the suburb of Lackawanna. American anti-terrorism officials allege that some of the men seem to have secret sources of funds, the type of money needed to carry out acts of Al Qaeda terrorism on U.S. soil. "Terrorists will take full advantage of whatever means they can," said David Harris, an anti-terrorism consultant in Ottawa. "They know the art and science of laundering money. Casinos are just another avenue for that."
Thestar.com Toronto star 9/20/02 By Joan Walters


Heroin, Casinos, Terrorists and Planes
Madcow is a little shrill to be sure, but as you just saw above, a lot of his facts do check out to be true, legitimate investigations by law enforcement and FBI. So let's see what he has to say about Atta and Abramoff:

Hammer to the Slammer: Does Cruisegate Mean Curtains for GOPMOB?

Hint: Atta wasn't playing blackjack.

One clue: Ringleader Mohamed Atta made a still-unexplained visit onboard one of Abramoff's casino boats less than a week before the attack.

A bigger clue: the man who owned the flight school favored by Atta and so many other terrorists had his Lear jet surrounded by DEA agents brandishing submachine guns on the runway of Orlando Executive Airport in July of 2000, the same month Atta began "training" at his flight school. They found 43 pounds of heroin onboard. For flight school owner Wally Hilliard, it was a 'blemish,' though not as yet one for which he has been asked to go to prison.

Several of the principals in the Boulis hit also have heroin trafficking backgrounds. What a surprise. Most of the world's heroin comes from Afghanistan, which used to be known as OsamaLand...


Drugs and Money Laundering ? Wasn't that what Sibel Edmonds talked about ?
Precisely...

Letter to Thomas Kean from Sibel Edmonds

.. To this date the public has not been told of intentional blocking of intelligence, and has not been told that certain information, despite its direct links, impacts and ties to terrorist related activities, is not given to or shared with Counterterrorism units, their investigations, and countering terrorism related activities. This was the case prior to 9/11, and remains in effect after 9/11. If Counterintelligence receives information that contains money laundering, illegal arms sale, and illegal drug activities, directly linked to terrorist activities; and if that information involves certain nations, certain semi-legit organizations, and ties to certain lucrative or political relations in this country, then, that information is not shared with Counterterrorism, regardless of the possible severe consequences. In certain cases, frustrated FBI agents cited `direct pressure by the State Department,' and in other cases `sensitive diplomatic relations' is cited. The Department of Justice Inspector General received detailed and specific information and evidence regarding this issue (Please refer to DOJ-IG report Re: Sibel Edmonds and FBI Translation, provided to you prior to the completion of your report)...


After almost three years the American people still do not know that thousands of lives can be jeopardized under the unspoken policy of `protecting certain foreign business relations.' The victims family members still do not realize that information and answers they have sought relentlessly for over two years has been blocked due to the unspoken decisions made and disguised under `safeguarding certain diplomatic relations.'
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:34 AM
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63. Thanks for this information, Independent_Liberal. n/t
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:56 PM
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12. kick
:kick:

I can't pull up YouTube videos here :pout:
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ThsMchneKilsFascists Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 03:58 AM
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110. you may need a Flash update
I'll try to help if you can post some specifics CatWoman
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:07 PM
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13. Also don't forget ...
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 03:19 PM by Benhurst
'Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action,' by David Ray Griffin has just been released by the 160-year-old Westminster John Knox Press, that says President Bush organized New York's Sept. 11 attacks.

This coming from the publishing house of the very mainstream Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)!

How long can the corporate news continue to look the other way?
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:14 PM
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15. K&R
Yep. The Lamont victory was the appetizer, but keeping this contained as much as possible is the entree.

Yet another reason the recent thwarting was a fabrication.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:18 PM
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17. K & R - let's hope this thread isn't dumped into the 9/11 DU basement n/t
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:20 PM
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75. yes indeed
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 12:21 PM by ooglymoogly
and i will second that k&n
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:37 PM
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20. And this aired on CNBC the night before ...
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:17 PM
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24. The Top 40 Reasons to Doubt the Official Story
I sent this list to Lou Dobbs at his feedback page on CNN's web site:

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form4.html?7


THE TOP 40
REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001

... An outline in simple talking points ...


Version of May 22, 2006: This overview is in development. If you use the search function with key words, you will discover that 911Truth.org is home to articles backing virtually every point made below. Much of the basic research is available at the Complete 9/11 Timeline (hosted by cooperativeresearch.org), the 9/11 Reading Room (911readingroom.org), and the Spitzer petition and complaint (Justicefor911.org). For physical evidence discussion, see Point 7.


THE DAY ITSELF - EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY

1) AWOL Chain of Command
a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.

2) Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
c. Was there an air defense standdown?

3) Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation's capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

4) Wargames
a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?

Continued at:http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646


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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:17 PM
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35. Interesting, in the July 7 terror attacks on London, there was also an
excercize, which also turned real.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:30 PM
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38. Nothing that any good coincidence theorist couldn't explain. n/t
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:08 PM
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45. you see, but they did a probability study, and the odds came out to be
astonomical number that is next to imposible to happen.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:26 PM
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27. Dobbs calling for a full investigation! I guess it isn't just wing-nuts
any more.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:06 PM
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29. Lots of tinfoil by Hallowe'en, I bet. nt
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:58 AM
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73. Dobbs and his ilk are the wing-nuts..
.. not good, thoughtful, knowledgeable liberals.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:11 PM
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31. keeping on the front page
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:35 PM
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32. Go for it Lou!
Between his excellent coverage of electronic voting and this...Man! I sure hope he doesn't fly on any small aircraft anytime soon. We should also wait and see how long he gets to keep his job at CNN. (AM I cynical or what!?!):nuke:
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:02 AM
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60. Do you mean like Paul Wellstone!!!!!!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 01:13 AM
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89. Lou was fearless in his accusation. (eom)
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:53 PM
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33. Lou FURIOUS over repeated lying, deception! Outstanding report.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:46 PM
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34. kick so everyone gets this info.
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kerstin Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:25 PM
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36. Kick indeed. n/t
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:26 PM
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37. OH GOOD, I posted the video and had to dash - they kept it up

Thanks for rating it up everybody so everyone could see....

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:35 PM
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40. Oh. My. God.
:wow: Never thought I'd live to see the day when a so-called MSM anchor would speak those words. :wow:

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:39 PM
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41. k and r for sure.
thanks for posting, Debbie
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:52 PM
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42. and kick.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:20 PM
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43. Applauding Dobbs.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:06 PM
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44. K&R.(nt)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:18 PM
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46. Folks, do not miss this.(nt)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:11 PM
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47. Kick.(nt)
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Change has come Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:26 AM
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48. k&R
That was amazing.

:kick:
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:34 AM
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49. That explains WTC 7
The military wasn't alerted about the plane that went down in PA in time because it was destined for WTC7. When the plane went down anyway, they had to "pull" WTC 7 at 5:20 to cover up the planted explosives. They wouldn't want any controlled demolition materials to show up in a building Marvin Bush was heading security for, now would they.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:14 AM
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70. very, very interesting observation
It all makes sense now.

If we could only find an explanation for no plane wreckage at the Pentagon now.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 04:41 PM
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81. I hadn't thought of it before either
Hubby came up with that the other day when I told him about the info just released. He did an "ah ha!" that's why they didn't notify the military. I did a web search and found out he wasn't the first to think of it (thought that might be the case ;-) ) but I hadn't put the pieces together before myself. When you think about it, it does make perfect sense.

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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:41 AM
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123. Holy crap!
I'd not even thought of that!!!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:17 AM
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50. Kick.(nt)
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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:21 AM
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51. K&R
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:39 AM
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52. Kick
:kick:
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:46 AM
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54. K&R
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:56 AM
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55. Lou's finest hour. Kick
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 04:38 AM
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56. KICK AND RECOMMENDED!!!!
:kick:
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:11 AM
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57. And again...
For truth, and the justice it will bring.:kick: Thanks.
quickesst
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:42 AM
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58. kick
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:46 AM
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59. K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:22 AM
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61. Keep this kicked until the Grand Frog March.
It's a nice summary of just what the cover-up artistes Kean and Hamilton recently reported.

Who knows what a real investigation would turn up?
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professor_grove Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:13 AM
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62. 5 years too late
even though better late than never. Only an idiot wouldn't see that very morning that two buildings collapsing that neatly together could be anything but obvious manipulation.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:28 AM
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99. two buildings?
Let's not forget about WTC building 7!
It wasn't hit by any planes and yet it completely collapsed that afternoon.
Very suspicious when you consider Silverstein had taken out a 8 billion dollar insurance policy that specifically paid for a terrorist attack just a few weeks before 911.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:54 AM
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64. k and r
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:28 AM
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65. Why do the republicons lie about 9/11?
Why why why do they lie to the citizens of the United States of America?
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:48 PM
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78. To cover up a truth that's dangerous to them? nt
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Anita Garcia Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:33 AM
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66. Lies, lies, lies
That is all.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:56 AM
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67. Lee Hamilton and Tom Kean on Meet the Press this Sunday, kick.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:04 AM
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69. thanks...
hope this thing called "truth" stays in "fashion".
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:15 AM
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:17 AM
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72. Bureaucrats are good at covering their asses, I guess.

Not a shock that they'd put their own fortues ahead of the country's, but definately fucking distrubing.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:15 PM
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74. Kick.(nt)
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:44 PM
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76. The Indira Singh whistleblowing on Ptech (now GoAgile) and the
FBI's investigation of same is enought to make the Dubai Ports dustup pale in comparison

How much did the FBI know about Ptech ?
http://cbs4boston.com/iteam/local_story_343145212.html

Ptech
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-2254

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Dollars of terror
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17730
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:08 PM
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79. K&R
:kick:
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:14 PM
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80. K&R
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:21 PM
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82. kick
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:27 PM
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83. Lou Lou Lou
Beginning of a great adventure
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:31 PM
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84. Lou Dobbs is the only reason to watch CNN - They actually kept
Beck??????? go figure
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:27 AM
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98. I Think Cafferty Should Replace beckPuke
What do you think?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:53 PM
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85. Don't forget : The authors, Kean and Hamilton, guests on Meet the Press.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:12 PM
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86. Incompetence, ineptitude, and deception. Hallmarks of the Bush Admin.
Someone needs to make some campaign commercials with those words and appropriate accompanying pictures.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:47 PM
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87. Kean & Lee Hamilton will be on meet the press tomorrow
should be good.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:23 PM
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88. kick
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 06:23 AM
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90. kick
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 06:51 AM
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91. Go Lou! Big kick NT
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 01:54 PM
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92. Kick
:kick:
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 02:46 PM
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93. kick
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:10 AM
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94. Kick.
:kick:
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:29 AM
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95. Kick!
:kick:
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:04 AM
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96. olbermann
had a similar report about the incorrect DoD timeline on Flight 93, about two weeks ago.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:11 AM
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97. Help! I Have Dialup! Is There A Transcript? This looks great!
Hellllllllllllllp!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:36 AM
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100. Here you go, Dinger...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/09/ldt.01.html

You've got to scroll down a bit.

"DOBBS: Incompetence and ineptitude on the part of this government on September 11th and in the weeks and months leading up to it are established. The fact that the government would permit deception after a deception, whether honestly, if you can call it that, honestly intended or not. But the fact that they were continue and perpetuate the lie, suggests that we need a full investigation of what is going on and what is demonstrably an incompetent and at worst deceitful federal government.

Christine Romans, thank you very much. Incredible."
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:42 AM
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101. Bless You Kurovski!
Whew!!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:44 AM
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102. I couldn't let such an impassioned plea go unanswered.
And blessings to you as well.:-)
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:47 AM
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103. I Owes Ya One, Buddy!
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 01:47 AM by Dinger
Thanks ! :)
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 02:18 AM
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104. Kick...
bwahahahahahahaha!
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 02:43 AM
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105. drip, drip
...right down the f'ing drain like every other "revelation" that should have been headline news and a national scandal.

Great work Dobbs (really). Keep up the good work and maybe it will finally break through.
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ThsMchneKilsFascists Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 03:05 AM
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106. kicked & thanks for posting that link...n/t
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 03:16 AM
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108. How long until Dobbs gets RATHERED? Predictions?
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 03:32 AM
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109. Lou "Get's It" K/R
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:09 AM
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111. Here's an excerpt....
I thought was pertanent.

snip/
The impacts of the aircraft also appear to have had negligible effect on the collapse of the buildings. Frank DeMartini, the project manager of the construction, observed that, given the sophisticated load-redistribution capacities built into the towers around its 47 massive core columns, the impact of an airplane would be like "sticking a pencil through mosquito netting," which suggests that neither the fires nor the planes brought the buildings down.

Indeed, WTC-2, which was hit second, fell first after less than an hour of exposure, while WTC-1, which was hit first, fell second after only about an hour and a half of exposure. A far more extensive fire occurred in WTC-1 on February 13, 1975, which burned at much higher temperatures for three hours and spread over 65% of the 11th floor, including the core, yet caused no significant damage to the steel structure and no trusses had to be replaced.


Thanks Lou!
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:08 AM
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112. kick
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OETKB Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:35 AM
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113. The "Jersey Girls" had it right.
With less resources and without much compensation the family of the 9/11 commission have been more than vindicated, but are now shown to be the real patriots they are. Taking an unpopular stance so soon after the NY tragedy by carefully researching the events that day, they mirror the conclusions of Kean and Hamilton's committee.

These facts that are now brought out cast a heavy light on Ann Coulter who must now be seen as a true traitor. She would silence those who question those in authority who are bringing this country to ruin. She has used her writing skills to satisfy her neocon taskmasters and basks in the glory of the monetary reward they have given her. Unfortunately she must have a personality where she feels no need to humanly interact with the rest of us. One wonders what is the price one pays for such behavior and how much those affected by it must endure.
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:33 AM
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114. KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 06:44 AM by QuettaKid
and one more kick just because it's early. EDIT: Everyone watching this thread. If you haven't already seen "V for Vendetta" see it NOW. It is like seeing an alternate version of our present day reality unfold. A theocratic fascist govt. that conducts terror attacks on it's own people to keep them afraid. Sound familiar?
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:39 AM
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115. THANK YOU MODS! THANK YOU MODS! THANK YOU MODS! THANK YOU MODS!
THANK YOU MODS! THANK YOU MODS!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:53 AM
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116. !!!!!!!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:14 AM
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117. !!!!!!!!11
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:32 AM
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118. kick
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:40 AM
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119. "Without Precedent" featured on CSPAN's Book t.v. THIS SUNDAY
sunday evening, three hours.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:57 AM
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120. !!!!!11
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:17 AM
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121. Kick!! Thank you for posting this!!! Go Lou!!! n/t
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:40 AM
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122. !!!!!!!!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 09:36 AM
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124. !!!!!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 10:05 AM
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125. this must be seen by everyone
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 10:48 AM
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126. !!!!!!!!!!!
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:05 AM
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127. BAM!
Kick it up a notch!

K&R
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:51 AM
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128. I'm speechless!! Just sent this to my sister,thanks!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:10 PM
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129. The fact Bush wouldn't permit findings until AFTER the 04 election speaks
volumes!
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:21 PM
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130. So Important
Impeachment would be too good for these guys...I want to see them led out in handcuffs, tried for treason and hung from the gallows...

Kick
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:29 PM
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131. kick n/t
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:45 PM
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132. I am speachless.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 02:15 PM
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133. !!!!!!!!!!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 02:58 PM
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134. Kick.(nt)
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:42 PM
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135. !!!!!!!!!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:18 AM
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136. Kick(nt)
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:22 AM
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137. For those of us on dial-up....
Which book? Thanks!
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:42 AM
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140. This one I think
Without Precedent: The inside Story of the 9/11 Commission
Thomas H. Kean, Lee H. Hamilton, With Benjamin D. Rhodes

Format: Hardcover
Pub. Date: August 2006

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&isbn=0307263770&itm=1
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:29 AM
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139. This is nothing people..... read "9/11 Synthetic Terror"

you won't be able to sleep at night.

There are many people and many books out there. Trying to get to the truth of 9/11.

Did you know OBL was treated in an American hospital in Dubai in July 2001????

Did you know about all the witnesses at Shanksville would saw a white jet flying so close to them they had to duck, the evidence shows that this flight was shot down by US military and blown to pieces in mid air.

A commerical airliner DID NOT hit the Pentagon. Survivors were visited by "men in suits" in the hospital telling them what to say, and what they "saw."

The FBI has destroyed so much evidence that we might not ever see it.

on and on and on....

I am now a convert to the MIHOP theories. Tarpley is just giving you the evidence that's already out there. Lou Dobbs version and the Commission only scratches the service.

Keep an open mind and read this book and take it from there....

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Cleetus Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:03 AM
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142. Thank you so much *eom*
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:41 AM
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143. dobbs: "this government doesn't deserve much creadibility, does it?"
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:27 AM
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144. If the truth comes out about 9-11...
...there's nothing, not even Diebold, that will save them.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:29 AM
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145. That is their number one fear, discovery.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 04:08 AM
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146. Why isn't this blasted all over the media?
Oh yeah, its the truth.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:20 PM
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147. Kick?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:19 PM
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148. Kick.(nt)
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:35 PM
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149. lest we forget
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:55 PM
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150. Kick.(nt)
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:19 AM
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151. Order the next video to come out this one by the Family Steering Comitee

see http://www.911pressfortruth.com/
and you can preorder the video due out next month by the families! I have already ordered mine!

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:42 PM
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152. Kick.(nt)
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