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Iwasthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:08 PM
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We WERE respected around the globe
Now we are hated with a passion by virtually every country...

It amazes me how they keep getting away their crimes too... and how their spin is sooooo effective (almost like they have a crystal ball)...

Bad news is good news (and the lemmings buy it)...and REALLY bad news is just an inconvienience... WHAT THE HELL IS IT GOING TO TAKE???? Our president caught with his pants down leaning over a young sheep?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:12 PM
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1. Bumper sticker for you...
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 05:23 PM
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7. love it
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:13 PM
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2. We were at the height of our popularity worldwide in the 90s
After WWII might have been the all-time high point, but the 90s were close.
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Iwasthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:21 PM
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3. I was damn proud whenever Clinton went overseas..cringe when Bush or Condi
... I am so disusted by the gullable masses that allowed the 2000 (and 2004) elections to be stolen and this madmans destruction of everything we love in the USA. I call it "The WWF mentality". These people will buy anything... WAKE UP!!! We need more freeway bloggers to reach them... I have a pile of poster paper at home and plan to start locally soon... need to devise a system that will keep the posters up as long as possible (perhaps directly under overpasses somehow).
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:28 PM
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4. Respected hell. We were feared which was even better
Now we are mocked.

Don
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:33 PM
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5. The lemmings are not so much the problem
I don't think they keep getting away with it because the spin is effective. They get away with it because the majority of Congress, the media, and the courts are IN on it. By the time we disprove one of their lies, they're already promoting the next one. And it's the next lie that gets the attention -- not the debunking of the first one. It comes so fast & furious that no one can keep up! And half of it is just a smokescreen for what they're really up to.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:47 PM
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6. Predicted by many, including Mr. Kiesling in his resignation letter
Many have seen this, but it is worth remembering that there were many who thought, even before 2003, that the invasion of Iraq was bad policy. Mr. Kiesling was a career diplomat who had served in United States embassies in the middle east. Many, many diplomats, military personnel, and intelligence personnel have quit or been retired because they find their beliefs to be in opposition to a reckless and arrogant administration. This is an important story about a quiet, unprecedented rebellion against a small cabal in the executive office. Mr. Kiesling's letter of resignation:


February 27, 2003 U.S. Diplomat's Letter of Resignation

Dear Mr. Secretary: I am writing you to submit my resignation from the Foreign Service of the United States and from my position as Political Counselor in U.S. Embassy Athens, effective March 7. I do so with a heavy heart.

The baggage of my upbringing included a felt obligation to give something back to my country. Service as a U.S. diplomat was a dream job. I was paid to understand foreign languages and cultures, to seek out diplomats, politicians, scholars and journalists, and to persuade them that U.S. interests and theirs fundamentally coincided.

My faith in my country and its values was the most powerful weapon in my diplomatic arsenal. It is inevitable that during twenty years with the State Department I would become more sophisticated and cynical about the narrow and selfish bureaucratic motives that sometimes shaped our policies.

Human nature is what it is, and I was rewarded and promoted for understanding human nature. But until this Administration it had been possible to believe that by upholding the policies of my president I was also upholding the interests of the American people and the world. I believe it no longer.

The policies we are now asked to advance are incompatible not only with American values but also with American interests. Our fervent pursuit of war with Iraq is driving us to squander the international legitimacy that has been America's most potent weapon of both offense and defense since the days of Woodrow Wilson. We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the world has ever known. Our current course will bring instability and danger, not security.

The sacrifice of global interests to domestic politics and to bureaucratic self-interest is nothing new, and it is certainly not a uniquely American problem.

Still, we have not seen such systematic distortion of intelligence, such systematic manipulation of American opinion, since the war in Vietnam. The September 11 tragedy left us stronger than before, rallying around us a vast international coalition to cooperate for the first time in a systematic way against the threat of terrorism. But rather than take credit for those successes and build on them, this Administration has chosen to make terrorism a domestic political tool, enlisting a scattered and largely defeated Al Qaeda as its bureaucratic ally.

We spread disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of terrorism and Iraq. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking public wealth to the military and to weaken the safeguards that protect American citizens from the heavy hand of government.

September 11 did not do as much damage to the fabric of American society as we seem determined to so to ourselves. Is the Russia of the late Romanovs really our model, a selfish, superstitious empire thrashing toward self-destruction in the name of a doomed status quo? We should ask ourselves why we have failed to persuade more of the world that a war with Iraq is necessary.

We have over the past two years done too much to assert to our world partners that narrow and mercenary U.S. interests override the cherished values of our partners. Even where our aims were not in question, our consistency is at issue. The model of Afghanistan is little comfort to allies wondering on what basis we plan to rebuild the Middle East, and in whose image and interests.

Have we indeed become blind, as Russia is blind in Chechnya, as Israel is blind in the Occupied Territories, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is not the answer to terrorism? After the shambles of post-war Iraq joins the shambles in Grozny and Ramallah, it will be a brave foreigner who forms ranks with Micronesia to follow where we lead.

We have a coalition still, a good one. The loyalty of many of our friends is impressive, a tribute to American moral capital built up over a century. But our closest allies are persuaded less that war is justified than that it would be perilous to allow the U.S. to drift into complete solipsism. Loyalty should be reciprocal.

Why does our President condone the swaggering and contemptuous approach to our friends and allies this Administration is fostering, including among its most senior officials. Has "oderint dum metuant" really become our motto?

I urge you to listen to America's friends around the world. Even here in Greece, purported hotbed of European anti-Americanism, we have more and closer friends than the American newspaper reader can possibly imagine. Even when they complain about American arrogance, Greeks know that the world is a difficult and dangerous place, and they want a strong international system, with the U.S. and EU in close partnership.

When our friends are afraid of us rather than for us, it is time to worry. And now they are afraid. Who will tell them convincingly that the United States is as it was, a beacon of liberty, security, and justice for the planet?

Mr. Secretary, I have enormous respect for your character and ability. You have preserved more international credibility for us than our policy deserves, and salvaged something positive from the excesses of an ideological and self-serving Administration.

But your loyalty to the President goes too far. We are straining beyond its limits an international system we built with such toil and treasure, a web of laws, treaties, organizations, and shared values that sets limits on our foes far more effectively than it ever constrained America's ability to defend its interests.

I am resigning because I have tried and failed to reconcile my conscience with my ability to represent the current U.S. Administration. I have confidence that our democratic process is ultimately self-correcting, and hope that in a small way I can contribute from outside to shaping policies that better serve the security and prosperity of the American people and the world we share.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 05:25 PM
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8. They don't need a crystal ball, they have the media.
But it is indeed sad what's become of us.
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