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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:18 AM
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"What makes an army..launch an all-out war at the drop of a hat because
Edited on Thu Aug-17-06 06:50 AM by tom_paine
two soldiers were kidnapped?"

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2006/08/16/many_israelis_see_a_strategic_defeat/

So asks an Israeli columnist?

If they only understood Totalitarianism and it's many manifestations, as well as it's relationship to other allied states, he would know the answer.

Or perhaps he knows, but dare not say.

This was almost certainly a strictly political op, who's timing undoubtedly was instigated and set primarily by the Busheviks for an integral role in the Summer Propaganda Offensive against the American People by the Busheviks..

Like most things the Busheviks touch, it turned quickly to shit, and the Israelis are learning what we few Free Americans have known for quite some time: To trust that the Busheviks view ANYONE outisde the Inner Circle as other than patsies and expendable cannon fodder is to make a grave mistake.

Now the vaunted IDF has suffered a major blow to their reputation as close to invincible. And when you are surrounded by enemies and outnumbered 10-to-1, the worth of that kind of a reputation is incalcuable.

God knows what other negative repercussions the IDF and Israel will suffer, long-term, from this Political Proxy War.

And the great 1936-like darkness continues to once again spread over the world. How ironic is it that the Jews are aligned with the Kinder and Gentler Hitler, he who has some portion of his family fortune, the Bush Family Fortune, having come from the melted teeth of dead European Jews.

How ironic that they are doing so for Busheviks who only support the Jews and Israel so that enough of us will be around to be scourged when Jesus returns?

Bushworld, like the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, is so ironic as to be post-ironic.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:28 AM
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1. Huh?
You're discussing an article to which you don't provide a link. Makes it difficult for the reader.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:30 AM
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2. This sounds like a good article...
(please link so we can read the whole thing)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:51 AM
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5. Sorry, article link now posted in initial post
I don't have the actual Ha'aretz column in full. If someone wants to Google it up, I'd be much obliged.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:42 AM
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3. The questioning only started when failure was obvious.
Only us lefties and terra-lovers were asking this BEFORE the Great War Against Hezbollah collapsed.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:13 AM
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10. NO! From the very beginning of the "all out aerial bomb fest"
The UN, specifically K. Annan commented that THIS REACTION was WAY OUT OF PROPORTION.

No, from the beginning people were scratching their heads and appealing to Israel to be MORE PROPORTIONAL.

I believe the cheer-leading came from Dick "Penguin" Cheney and his henchmen to their Neo-Con counterparts in Israel.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:47 AM
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4. Well there is a valid question
and one that really needs to be answered, because me thinks the Israeli's really bungled this one.......
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:56 AM
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6. Well at least someone in Israel gets it
Their new 'friends' the rapture ready Bushbots are the ones that want to destroy Israel. It's one of the requirements for the return of their version of the Messiah.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:09 AM
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8. I thought Israel had to be intact
for the Rapture and a temple had to be rebuilt. Something I heard some wingnut christian group was actively funding in "partnership" with an equally wingnut Jewish group.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:12 AM
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9. They believe that they have to destroy
the existing mosque at the Temple Mount first.

At the same time, all the Jews have to either convert or die. In order for Jesus to return there has to be no more Jews.

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:21 AM
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11. That last part is what
makes this partnership so weird, thank you I could not remember exactly what it was with the temple, just that if they really did it Israel would explode.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:48 AM
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12. Not so weird...
There are many pragmatists among the Jewish Orthodox.. The "rapture-ready" are THEIR useful idiots too!
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:06 AM
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13. Thanx, I did not
want to be the one to say that.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:00 AM
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7. Some of us terra'ist lov'in
Edited on Thu Aug-17-06 07:05 AM by azurnoir
jihadi huggers or whatever,may well have been a bit dismayed watching Israel progressively dig it self into an ever deeper hole. By stating that they did not consider any Lebanese who "supported" Hezbollah a civilian and therefore a legitimate military, they put themselves into an untenable position with the choices being either giveup and withdraw as they appear to be doing or depopulate Lebanon, by whatever means they intended to accomplish this, a plan which would have eventually have put Israel into the very risk it claims to be fighting.
edited for spelling
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 09:09 AM
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14. absurd premise that begs the question
right or wrong (israel's offensive), it is 100% absurd to refer to israel's actions as an "all out war"

that is hysterically histrionic.

an all out war by israel would easily result in hundreds of thousands of deaths. they have the firepower (to put it mildly)

"all out war"

lol. rhetoric 101

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:28 PM
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15. Does bandying semantics also beg the question?
Even considering that I agree with you that the phrase "all-out" war is a bit of hyperbole, though I suspect not for the 1,000 or more innocent vaporized in Beirut, the larger issue has nothing to do with that phrase being used.

Did Israel make, almost literally, a deal with the devil that has led them to degrade and imperil their own nation just so that the Bushevik Summer Propaganda Offensive against the American Subjects could have a crown jewel?

And are they now reaping the bitter fruits of such a Faustian deal?
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:56 AM
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16. it's important
it's important not to start an argument or make a point with a blatantly false premise

even if ones' conclusion is correct, it still makes the person look kookish, not to mention factually wrong, and even if the conclusion happens to be right, the argument is still bogus.
,
for example.

"the US treated their slaves worse than any other nation on earth. slavery was a terribly evil institution and the US should feel ashamed for participating in it."

the latter sentence is undeniably true. the former sentence is undeniably false. look at brazil, for instance. they were far far worse towards slaves than we were. using the first FALSE sentence to justify or setup the latter is wrong. because it's factually incorrect.

similar with the "all out war" thing

this was nowhere NEAR an all out war. it is blatantly ridiculous exaggeration.

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