Zogby: Webb in lead over Mr. Macaca

Webb - 47.9
Allen - 46.6

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-flash05a.html?project=elections06-ft&h=495&w=778&hasAd=1

that's the kind of leader we want, one that runs away when discourse appears just like our
pretzeldent and Cindy Sheehan.

:evilgrin:

and you'd better bet they'll do just that. They want Allen to win this one because they want to run him in 2008. He's the fundy knight in shining armor and can be persuaded to accept Jebbie as his running mate.

He's also the sacrificial lamb, but they still want him to have the start of an election win going into the next campaign.

my nerves can't take that shit. :)

They'll cheat to make George Allen win in 2006, but not cheat in 2008 to make him president?

to blame for all the misery caused by their stupid policies.

Then they want Jebbie to ride in on his white stallion in 2012 to rescue the country.

Or at least he gets to appoint the commissioners. Someone from VA can correct me if I'm wrong.

...I'm sure it shouldn't just be in one direction.

Though admittedly there were a few efforts, historically speaking, by democrats to try to steal elections the rare instance of democrats trying to steal elections these days are statistically inconsequential.

The evil tatics of Democrats seem to revolve around doing voter registration drives, ride-to-the polls, and *gasp* trying to get poor and and minority voters (as well as everyone else) to the polls. None of which is illegal.

Republicans however have slightly different tactics. They try to drive down voter registration, particularly in minority communities and near college campuses (how very democratic of them). They create confusing legal hurdles. They build phoney scrub lists designed to deny the vote to supposed "convicted felons" (bad enough that laws exist that strip someone who has served their time). They hire goons to stake out polling places in black SUV's with cameras to intimidate peopl. They intentionally push districts to use defective machines. They IGNORE votes cast by servicemen (despite all protestations to the contrary).

In the history of Democrat cheating, most of it was doen by the Dixie-crats who (big surprise) defected to the Republican party when the Dem's decided to do the right thing.

Oh that and Mayor friggin Daley.

if liberals keep disrespecting the South. I guess even open minded people need whipping boys.

Any evidence that Dixiecrats stole elections? I think Daley and the Chicago machine made Dixiecrats look like choir boys.

News and commentary, left to right

I don't know but I am pretty sure that I mentioned Daley in the last line of my original post.

And lets stick to the gist of my post thank you which was comparing Democrats and Republicans stealing of elections.

Evidence of Dixiecrats stealing elections?

I don't know I would say that the constant war on the rights of African Americans to vote might actually be evidence of stealing elections. Though I could be wrong. Personally I don't care what party you are in, if you aid in this activity, or even attempt to justify it, then you do not deserve to be in office.

Jim Crow was a way of life down south to deny it or claim that somehow bringing it up is somehow wrong or politically inconvenient is one of the major contributing reasons why it is so easy to take similar actions to deprive people of the right to vote nowadays.

Poll taxes, Intelligence tests, and intimidation by the police have been replaced with buggy machines, scrub lists, and dirty tricks.

And by the way I am utterly equal opportunity about this. Neither Arizona nor Ohio are considered a part of the "old south" and both had more than their share of corruption.

I would question your statement about Democrats inability to "win the south"

If we cannot legitimately point out and correct an injustice that goes against our democratic way of life then what have we won?

And in fact if we do not correct this injustice than the only way we will be assured of victory will be to join in that corruption and fight filth with filth and should that become the way of things perhaps it is better if we give up our illusions and faith in democracy.

Up until recently I thought Allen would have been untouchable, I guess that's what happens when you may be the one person in America who is dumber than Bush.

There isn't anyone in the world dumber than Bush. Tree stumps have more native intelligence and character than any Bush.

Allen loses to a tree stump every time. He'll give Bush a run for his money.

I know, it's :scared: but Allen is S T O O O O O P I D !

--IMM

Let this be a trend that gets better as time goes by (like a fine wine).

I actually saw one poll that asked if the macaca thing would help or hurt Allen. Something like 7% thought it would help him. Maybe they thought it would bring out the stupid racist vote. Geez.

I sent money to Webb. I live 3000 miles from Virginia but he is such a creep I wanted to do what I could to get that guy off the political stage. He wants to be president fercrissake. Time to nip this one in the bud.

Mz Pip
:dem:

thanks you very much!

I meant the "Macaca" heavy districts. What did you think I meant, GOP?

NT

damn Lieberbush for not playing fair!

before this is over - not in a racist sense - but he is likely to do something very stupid - which will do him in - I also think as people in CT begin to focus on this the independents and the Dems will have to see the basic unfairness of what Holy Joe is doing - I have nothing against running independent - but you don't run as an independent because you lost the freaking primary....


Hope so because if Holy Joe isn't booted to the curb I will be devastated I have waited for him to be gone for a LONG LONG LONG time.

....and the democrats ought to everything in their legitimate power to make sure that Joe has that "Macaca moment," or something just as good. The guy has corporate tire-tread marks on the back of his suit, for Christ's sake,...

so if we pick up Virginia, I can live with LIEberman I-Conn, as long as he caucuses with us and votes with us when it matters on the important issues other than war. Webb will make a damn fine senator from virginia, much better than the racist from southern california.

on the important issues like Supreme Court Justice filibusters. Keep using his name in conjunction with Bush as the Chicken-in-Chief isn't very popular in blue Connecticut. Hang Bush around his neck like a rotting albatross, and hang Cheney around his neck also. Remember Cheney said the voters of Connecticut who supported Lamont were in league with terrorists. Me thinks Cheney doth protest too much. Who benefited from 9-11?
And as for Joe being an independent, that's bullshit. Joe is the Likud candidate.

out!

Let's hope this trend continues and holds. This would definitely be an incredible pick up.

nt

I know, I know, there are other races, but this strikes me as a real bellweather. Allen is a top GOP leadership guy and Webb is an upstart.

Imagine a silly clown doing the happy dance. That would be me.

Noses back to grindstones, Virginians. You still need to get ready for the October suprise--whatever it is this year. The victory is in November.

I hope Allen keeps shooting himself in the foot.

My oh my...things sure do change when the truth comes out, don't it? :eyes:

I predict Webb will beat Allen by 3-5%...All those Virginian Immigrant families want to give a warm welcome to the Real World to Mr. Allen! :hi:

It doesn't have the latest, the stats you quoted.

It is wierd, I click on Virginia and I get Washington. Is the WSJ website run by Diebold?

With more FEELING this time.

:evilgrin:

Lieberman up by 10%? Oh god, come on CT Dems, don't do it!

The governator in California up by 4.5%??? What the hell is wrong with those people?

But...great news about Webb!

Its funny how you are very happy over the fact that Webb is winning this race, yet are staunchly against Lieberman in connecticut. Webb is clearly a more conservative candidate than Lieberman, but I guess that doesn't matter. Democrat senate at all cost.

(Edited to take out a comment that is best left for the mods)

If you think Lieberman will stick with the Dem caucus, then think again.

End game...a majority of D's in the Senate and House. Leadership of the caucus is more important than individual members' viewpoints. Lieberman will either not be a part of the caucus (most likely), or will be a very unreliable member of the caucus. I'll take a conservative D over a conservative I any day of the week.

Are you saying that you have no problem with Republican control of the Senate?

This is in reference to the polls a month or more ago that had Allen way up. Guess what fake cowboy the season just started and you are behind already.

Go Webb.

nt.

and a silhouette of flying monkeys on the back (as a tip of the hat to Mike Malloy)....PLEASE....

And once they're made, someone wear one and follow Allen all over VA with it.

and it needs to be carefully encouraged. If any of you can manage even a small donation, all of us Virginians will be eternally grateful. We have had this joker on our hands far too long and he needs to be flushed down the crapper.

other polling organizations back this up independently.