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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:24 PM
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St. Katherine Harris: Ten Commandments "the basis of our rule of law."
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 04:25 PM by BurtWorm
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/elections/orl-harris2706aug27,0,3348229.story?page=2&coll=orl-elections-headlines

Asked whether the U.S. should be a secular country, Harris said: "I think that our laws, I mean, I look at how the law originated, even from Moses, the 10 Commandments. And I don't believe, that uh . . . That's how all of our laws originated in the United States, period. I think that's the basis of our rule of law."

Harris' clarification seemed to satisfy Pasco County Republican Party Chairman Bill Bunting. Bunting, Saturday's gun-show organizer, served as Harris' host for the day.

Before she arrived at the gun show, Bunting said he was concerned about her comments because Republicans "need to be inclusive of everyone."

But after talking with Harris for a few moments, Bunting said all was right.

"She cleared it up," he said. "I'm comfortable now."
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:25 PM
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1. so why, then, isn't the first commandment a law?
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 04:25 PM by ComerPerro
I would think that would be the biggest and most important one.
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:36 PM
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7. 'cuz that the one that fails the Constitutional test right out of the gate
mikey_the_rat
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:26 PM
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2. Is anyone still listening to her?
Geez. She's ignorant, unstable, and on her way out.

It is unfortunately that she is rich. Wealth guarantees people attention whenever they want it.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:30 PM
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3. The first four commandments were over-turned by The First Amendment
Every other commandment has been over-turned by American law, except for Thou Shalt Not Steal.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:32 PM
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4. Holy Shit We Can Kill Now??? Woohoooooo!!!!!!!!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:40 PM
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9. Depends on how you define "Kill"
American Federal and/or state laws may allow certain instances of "killing", or allow people to avoid punishment for killing

1- In Self-defense
2- In defense of others
3- Some might consider abortion to be "killing"
4- Some police jurisdictions allow the shooting of a fleeing suspect
5- The Death Penalty
6- War
7- Termination of life support and/or euthanasia
8- The insanity defense may be seen by some as allowing people to "escape punishment" for killing

Even "Thou shalt not bear false witness" has been nullified by American law.

For example, lying in court is only an illegal perjury if it effects the outcome of the case.

It isn't punishable by law to slander or libel someone, unless your actions meet certain legal standards.

Every commandment except Thou Shalt Not Steal has been over-turned, nullified, or has had exceptions made to it.


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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:44 PM
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12. Literally translated, it's 'thou shalt not murder'.
Which hardly covers ALL killing.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:46 AM
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27. Literally translated from what?
From those supposed slabs of stone god created out of the side of some mountain?
Yeah
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:02 AM
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28. Hebrew.
The oldest surviving texts date back some 2000 years (and agree quite well with the standard Hebrew texts dating to c. 1000 AD that form the basis of most modern translations), and it's generally assumed that the first five books of the Old Testament were written some centuries before that (possibly as long as 2700 years).

What did you think I meant it by 'translated from'? French?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 12:56 PM
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29. I dont know the bible
says something about stone tablets, moses, burning bushes (i like that one). Sounds like a couple "trips" i have had. No one has ever translated my "trips".
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:48 PM
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18. Well If We're Gonna Make This Serious, Ok Then. That Explanation Is False
First and foremost, the commandment is thou shalt not commit murder. Murder is fucking murder. There is no exception.

Furthermore, if you want to use your logic of exception and generalization, then you are dead wrong in your statements about the commandment of 'thou shalt not steal' as well. Can't cops take away your property if they want to? Ever hear of confiscation? That too, technically, would be an exception.

But to be more accurate and logical, all commandments have been overturned with exception to two: Thou shalt not steal and Thou shalt not commit murder.
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Arger68 Donating Member (562 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:41 AM
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25. I would argue that "thou shall not steal" has been
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 08:42 AM by Arger68
overturned as well. Remember Bush v. Gore??

Edited for typos.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:41 PM
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10. Uhm... what do you think the first four commandments are? n/t
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:44 PM
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13. I Know What The Fucking First Four Commandments Are. It Was Referring To
your statement of every commandment being overturned by law except for though shalt not steal.

It was a joke.

Loosen up.

:)
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:34 PM
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5. Hmm, yeah....
5 and 7, and maybe 8. And really, 5 is okay, as long as you call the person you kill a terrorist. And 7, why, Harris, don't you remember? YOU set up the biggest theft in US history. And 8, that's just par for the Republican course.



Bunting sounds dumber than Kathy-poo.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:35 PM
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6. Reporters need to keep questioning her about the 2000 election...
At some point, you just know she's going to break down and admit that it was fixed.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:46 PM
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16. They need to ask her to NAME all ten commandments. n/t
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:55 PM
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22. "Challenge accepted."
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 04:56 PM by mikeytherat
Two words: "Challenge accepted."

Whenever I hear someone say, "Our laws are based on the Ten Commandments," I often turn to that person and say:

"Challenge accepted. Name each of the Ten Commandments, and then explain how each Commandment relates to American jurisprudence." Yes, I often have to explain what "jurisprudence" means, but even more often than that, I find people can't name more than five or six Commandments, at best. Even for those who CAN name all 10 Commandments, I have yet to have anyone explain how, "I am the Lord thy God, have no other Gods before me" has any correlation to U.S. law.

mikey_the_rat
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:39 PM
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8. She is REALLY going off the deep end, isn't she?
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 04:40 PM by TechBear_Seattle
Maybe someone should tell her that, according to the Holy Doctrine she is peddling, she should SHUT THE $%*@ UP and go into the kitchen and bring the menfolk a beer, which is the only thing (other than bearing children) an obedient Christian woman is good for.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:42 PM
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11. That's funny...
all this time I've thought it was seven centuries of English common law and things like the Magna Charta and the English Bill of Rights.

Either Harris is an idiot, or she says things like this to mollify the idiots she wants to vote for her; in any case, it's sheer idiocy.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:45 PM
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14. Idiotic by nature or idiotic by behavior; all the same in the end.
She's an ultra-maroon destined for history's dustbin.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:46 PM
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15. $&%# it NO NO NO NO NO
I get so sick of that line and we keep just letting it pass.

"Our laws are based on the 10 Commandments"

That's absolute BS and anyone who has studied even a little bit of legal philosophy should know better.

The 10 Commandments are based on the principle that just government is ordained by God. The US legal system is based on the principle that just government is ordained by the consent of the governed. It's hard to imagine two legal principles that are more at odds with each other.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:51 PM
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20. Absolutely right! And last I looked, only two of what I know as the
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 04:52 PM by mcscajun
Ten commandments (there being more than one version*) survived into today's statutes: killing and theft. Everything else is optional or interpretive.

*Which Ten Commandments?
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:47 PM
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17. I prefer Carlin's commandments
"Thou shalt always be honest and faithful to the provider of thy nookie.

&

Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you.

Two is all you need; Moses could have carried them down the hill in his fuckin' pocket. I wouldn't mind those folks in Alabama posting them on the courthouse wall, as long as they provided one additional commandment:

Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself."
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Vox_Reason Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:50 PM
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19. Are there any commandments about breast implants and plastic surgery?
If so, I'm thinking she's in egregious violation.
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OregonDem Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:51 PM
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21. Wow! Moses established this nation? I thought it was the founding fathers
who created our laws, specifically the ones about separating church and state? Man either all my history teachers and the writings I've read from Jefferson and others are wrong, or Katherine is bat shit crazy.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:56 PM
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23. She forgot this one: "Thou shalt not STEAL (elections)".
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OregonDem Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 04:59 PM
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24. Why doesn't the Republican Party rename itself to be the Theocratic Party?
Its obvious they don't support a republican form of government anymore.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:44 AM
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26. She lost the "Christian" right-vote for some reason...
and now she's trying to get it back. They think she is a whore.
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