Since they're flat out calling us Nazis now, can we do the same to them?

Or are we above all that cheap name calling? rumsfeld and cheney have both called us nazi appeasers and suggested we are nazis now for daring to speak out against the real nazis.

So is it open season on the N word now? Or will we still be considered nasty and ugly if we use the word in reference to them?

Can we also now openly remind republicans that the president's own grandfather and hitler were PALS? They go kind of wormy and confused when you tell them this fact.

What's changed?

We do, yes, but now they are pubicly calling us nazis, cheney and rummy, not folks on a chat room forum.

What's changed is they did it first in their speeches, which are for all of history and the world to see.

and they're still nazis although I think GW wants to do Adolf one better in the long run.

The Hitler ads in the MoveOn.org competition were quite criticized.

"Do as I say, not as I do." It's called hypocrisy.

cried loudly for an apology... I wished he had not given it. He was right in what he said....

and trivializes it to point out the truth. :sarcasm:

This is a very, very bad sign.

His blistering attack on Rumsfeld was exactly what was needed, and I think we should all follow suit.

They are fascists.

So in spite of what has been historically documented, the Nazi's were really against pre-emptive war, the mass slaughter of civilians, occupation, torture, disregarding the rule of law and detainment? According to Rumsfield, all that morals stuff has really been backwards since time began? I guess Jesus taught some really evil shit, then.

They support a Fascist form of government. The Nazi Party was a Fascist organization, but not the only one. Fascist regimes have sprung up in other countries as well. So I feel it is more appropriate to call them Fascists than label them as Nazis.

It's also important to point out to people that "our enemy" in the war on terra are not "Islamofascists." There is no such thing. Fascism calls for the takeover of government by private corporations. What we face are a group of Islamic Fundamentalists who have distorted the Quran for their own purposes. Much as Christian Fundamentalists in this country have distorted the Bible for their own purposes. What we (thinking, rational people in the United States and elsewhere) are really up against are Fundamentalists of all stripes - Islamic, Christian or any other religion.

So we are entirely correct to call these people what they are: Fundamentalists and Fascists. But the "Nazi" label is superfluous.

Have you ever thought about running for office?

Edit: By the way, welcome to DU.

I am working on a very controversial campaign here in South Dakota this cycle, and will be working for a presidential candidate in 2008. I am planning to run for office in 2010. Assuming we still have elections then... :)

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It crushed the workers organizations and protected private ownership of industry, commerce, and agriculture. Government-regulated capitalism is still capitalism. Socialism means public ownership.

Under Fascism, the costs are 'socialized' and the profits are privatized. The burdens are borne by the least powerful and the benefits accrue to the most powerful - as you say, the antithesis of socialism.

"the costs are 'socialized' and the profits are privatized"

That's the GOP and Liebercrat agenda in a nutshell.

Corporations take over the gov't in a fascist state. It's not even close to socialism. In true socialism, there are no corporations, only government run industry. In fascism, it's corporate controlled gov't. For instance, the energy companies writing bills, calling the shots and being your highest elected (*cough*), err rather, gov't officials. Sound familiar?

Fascism as an ideology came about after the Great Depression, when most of the world saw capitalism as a failure. Conservatives who saw it as a failure didn't join the left in wanting to create a state controlled economy that benefited the working class, instead they created a form of government where the economy was controlled to benefit corporations. The government would form guilds which were then given legislative power to control wages, prices and outputs in each of their respective industries. In fact in Fascist Italy the state paid to make up the losses that were made from bad business decisions. Fascism is a planned economy but private property is allowed. The economy is planned to serve the interests of the state or the so called "superior race" with corporate leaders making the decisions. Thats why we should all be very wary when business leaders are appointed to high levels in the government. The political opposition to fascism in Germany came from Communists and Socialists on the left, who were among the first to be sent to the concentration camps. Be sure to point that out next time a right-winger tells you Fascism is a liberal philosophy because its called National Socialism.

This old canard is possibly one of the most idiotic and ill-informed of all the crap that comes out of the GOP extreme right.

If that's so, then I suppose the "People's Republic of China" is a Republican form of government? (I'd say that's probably closer to the truth.)

:eyes:

Socialism is not about state control over the economy, that's a right-wing lie (you can have a Market Socialist economy based on co-ops), Socialism is about workers controling the economy. Fascism is about controlling the economy for the benefit the corporate elites, who own the means of production in a capitalist economy.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

This regime is akin to Batista's in Cuba - clearly fascist - and somewhat akin to Mussolini's in Italy when they invaded Ethiopia.

There's little question in my mind that today's GOP is closer to Fascism than even Juan Peron's in Argentina or even Franco's in Spain.

Note: Where you say "for their own purposes" I would say "for their own secular purposes."

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Heil EXXON!

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Your Department Of Petrol-fascism wants you...next.

makes it easier to pronounce and the L is going to drop out when we say it anyway...

like usage in "petro-dollars", etc.

Like Petro-bankers and Petro-chemicals...

My spell check didin't like it but I don't mind.

Don't let them stop you, tell it like it is. Cheap names are a dime a dozen, but lying to the American people and the world is heavy shit. They are trying to make you ashamed of being against what they have done to this country........how dare you disagree with the war preznut. I'm not shutting up!

They're calling Nazi-appeasers Nazi's.

And nobody here wants to appease terrorists, the terrorist-appeasers being the type of people Rummie was speaking about. How many Americans want to appease terrorists? About seven of them? So Rummie & Co. are really creating a boogieman and a strawman.

Eww that makes two men! How gay!

Someone tell the President that Rummie is 'bringing it hard' to two men.. Mr. Straw and Mr. Boogie..

just like they did by using saddam and nine eleven in the same sentence, it's inferred, and successful

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For example, I'd call Joe an "appeaser" and most of the DLC "appeasers."

"If Mr. Rumsfeld is so concerned with comparisons to World War II, he should explain why our troops have now been fighting in Iraq longer than it took our forces to defeat the Nazis in Europe," Pelosi responded.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pelosi_calls_Rumsfeld_comments_pathetic_attempt_0830.html