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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:22 PM
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ABC--worse than we thought. So sad.
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 10:27 PM by TwoSparkles
I Tivoed TPT911, but the recording was interrupted by Junior's speech and
stopped before the movie was finished.

I didn't see it all. However, I saw enough.

I'm so sickened. I'm so saddened.

Guys. We've got real problems on our hands. Not imagined ones. I'm
sitting here wondering how we even got to this point. ABC News
truly has become the willing "Ministry of Information" and it's
a really serious situation.

An ABC News segment (which aired after TPT911) showed a reporter viewing the
new-and-improved intelligence headquarters where FBI/CIA and other
agencies share information. During TPT911--they routinely played
up the fact that a lack of information sharing was one of the main
reasons that the hijackers were successful.

Several scenes in PT911 showed the FBI and CIA playing politics and refusing to
share information. The movie led viewers to believe that if only they
had communicated--9/11 probably wouldn't have happened (In effect, it
wasn't anything Junior did. Oh no. It was solely failed policies and organizational
behavior that poor Junior inherited--that caused all of this).

aBC's post-TPT911 news segment positioned Bush Co as a trailblazer with this
new, state-of-the-art facility dedicated solely to information
sharing (BushCo solved the problem and now everything is fine!).

How utterly misleading. Lack of info sharing was a problem, but only a part
of what went wrong. This movie did not address ANY BushCo failures. The
failures that happened on BushCo's watch were positioned as either failures
of the CIA, other agencies--or the failure of the LIBERAL MINDSET. I kid you not.

Let me explain.

A few times during TPT911--people wanted to go after Middle Eastern suspects.
These people really were the hijackers, but no one knew it yet (except the viewing
audience). On several occasions, FBI/CIA higher ups would squash investigations
due to (get this), "You can't do that. You can't go after that Middle Eastern
man. That's racial profiling!" One agent actually said, "It's all
political correctness in this town, my friend." We were led to believe
that BushCo did nothing wrong, but was a victim of leftover "politically
correct" philosophies that polluted the government he inherited--which ultimately
aided the terrorists.

Furthermore, there was a major scene involving Zacharias Moussaui--which was pretty
much a Public Service Announcement--declaring Bush's spying antics--the policies of
a patriotic genius who loves America and hates the terrorists--unlike the liberals
who love terrorists and hate keeping people safe. In TPT911, agents suspected
that Moussaui was a terrorist and all intelligence pointed toward Al Queda. However, they
could not legally get access to his laptop--that they had in their hands. Agents kept
saying, "He has rights, according to the law. We can't get on his laptop." Everyone
knows that the hijacking plans were on his laptop. The movie made it appear that--prior
to BushCo's brilliant spying legislation--that no one could possibly search or run an
investigation on a suspected terrorist. The government looked completely crippled, when
in reality--they could have obtained a search warrant.

Also, there was a scene where Moussad, the Northern Alliance head, was begging his CIA
contact for money to fight the Taliban. When the CIA said he couldn't help him at this
time--Moussad said he knew that money was earmarked for his region in the form of humanitarian aid. He said he knew that millions were earmarked by Clinton. Moussad said that if the money
didn't get to him, that it would go to bin Laden and Al Queda. At the end of the scene,
you were left with the impression that Clinton gave tens of millions of dollars that ended up
in bin Laden's hands.

I really need to see this entire thing. I missed the last hour. I admit that I might have
missed some anti-Bush stuff. However, from what I saw--this was just pure pro-Junior propaganda
on steroids. I think it's important for this entire country to see just how biased this movie is--and how ABC's News Program worked in tandem--to leverage Bush position Clinton (and all liberals) as failures and the cause of the 9/11 attacks.

I find this really disturbing. This is not just a network that went ahead and aired a
movie. This is a network that is bolstered--through a post-mini-series news program--the propaganda laid out in the movie.

I guess ABC News doesn't care that everyone knows that their willing propagandist flacks
for the warmongering neocons. I think TPT911 was ABC formally declaring itself a tool
of the White House.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:23 PM
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1. American Airlines hit back today on their lies
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:10 AM
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20. Send this to as many swing voters and independents you can.
A memo by military chief Mohammed Atef raises new questions about whether failed U.S. efforts to reform Afghanistan's radical regime -- and build the pipeline -- set the stage for Sept. 11.

By Jean-Charles Brisard

June 5, 2002 | A 1998 memo written by al-Qaida military chief Mohammed Atef reveals that Osama bin Laden's group had detailed knowledge of negotiations that were taking place between Afghanistan's ruling Taliban and American government and business leaders over plans for a U.S. oil and gas pipeline across that Central Asian country.

The e-mail memo was found in 1998 on a computer seized by the FBI during its investigation into the 1998 African embassy bombings, which were sponsored by al-Qaida. Atef's memo was discovered by FBI counter-terrorism expert John O'Neill, who left the bureau in 2001, complaining that U.S. oil interests were hindering his investigation into al-Qaida. O'Neill, who became security chief at the World Trade Center, died in the Sept. 11 attack.

Atef's memo shines new light on what al-Qaida knew about U.S. efforts to normalize relations with the Taliban in exchange for the fundamentalist government's supporting the construction of an oil and gas pipeline across Afghanistan. As documented in the book I coauthored with Guillaume Dasquie, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth," the Clinton and Bush administrations negotiated with the Taliban, both to get the repressive regime to widen its government as well as look favorably on U.S. companies' attempts to construct an oil pipeline. The Bush White House stepped up negotiations with the Taliban in 2001. When those talks stalled in July, a Bush administration representative threatened the Taliban with military reprisals if the government did not go along with American demands.

The seven-page memo was signed "Abu Hafs," which is the military name of Atef, who was the military chief of al-Qaida and is believed to have been killed in November 2001 during U.S. operations in Afghanistan. It shows al-Qaida's keen interest in the U.S.-Taliban negotiations and raises new questions as to whether the U.S. military threat to the Taliban in July 2001 could have prompted al-Qaida's Sept. 11 attack.

Atef's memo is not about the pipeline alone, though it mentions the project several times. It is an analysis of the political situation facing the Taliban. It documents the movement's rise, its leadership, the geopolitical importance of Afghanistan, the Taliban's relationship with Pakistan, as well as the movement's relationship with the Arab mujahedin. The document's intended readership is unclear. But it reveals that the pipeline was seen as a strategic offering toward the West, in order to make the Taliban government acceptable to the United States and Pakistan, as well as to reduce military and investigative pressure on the country to rein in or even extradite bin Laden.

Atef explains that the United States wants "to take control of any region which has huge quantities of oil reserves," and "the American government is keen on laying the oil and gas pipelines from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan." Atef concludes that al-Qaida's "duty toward the movement is to stand behind it, support it materially and morally, especially because its regional and international enemies are working night and day to put an end to it and make it fail."

It seems clear the military chief didn't expect the pipeline negotiations to bear fruit. Referring to Pakistanis as "nonbelievers," and noting that the pipeline "will be under American control ... and it also goes through the territories of Pakistan which are allied to America," Atef implies that the Taliban has no intention of ultimately cooperating with the project, but is trying to string along the Americans and Pakistanis to win some breathing room for its unpopular government.

The Atef memo is the latest piece of evidence documenting a murky chapter in recent American history -- the overtures of the last two American administrations to the repressive Taliban regime. Several U.S. oil companies, most notably Unocal, had been advocates of diplomatic overtures to the Taliban, in order to facilitate the building of a pipeline from the Caspian Sea region to Pakistan and the Persian Gulf through Afghanistan. In 1996, Unocal vice president Chris Taggart described the fall of Kabul to the Taliban regime as a "very positive step" and urged the U.S. to extend recognition to the new rulers in Kabul and thus "lead the way to international lending agencies coming in."

Just 10 days after the Taliban seized power in Kabul, Zalmay Khalilzad, former National Security Council official and Unocal consultant who was appointed special envoy to Afghanistan by President George W. Bush at the end of 2001, argued in a Washington Post opinion article that the U.S. should try to work with the mullahs and form a broad-based government that included other factions. "The Taliban does not practice the anti-U.S. style of fundamentalism practiced by Iran -- it is closer to the Saudi model ..." Khalilzad contended, concluding that "we should use as a positive incentive the benefits that will accrue to Afghanistan from the construction of oil and gas pipelines across its territory ... These projects will only go forward if Afghanistan has a single authoritative government."

Soon after, the State Department spokesman Glyn Davies told the New York Times he had hope that "the new authorities in Kabul will move quickly to restore order and security and to form a representative interim government that can begin the process of reconciliation nationwide." Davies also said the United States "wanted to send diplomats to Afghanistan to meet with the Taliban and held out the possibility of re-establishing full diplomatic ties with the country," according to the Times.

In November 1997 Unocal invited a Taliban delegation to Texas and, in early December, the company opened a training center at the University of Nebraska, to instruct 137 Afghans in pipeline construction technology. The company also donated to the university's Center for Afghanistan Studies. Unocal CEO John Imle estimated that the company spent between $15 and $20 million on its Central Asia oil pipeline (CentGas) project -- on preliminary feasibility studies, humanitarian projects and other efforts to lobby the Taliban (Unocal equipped the regime with satellite phones, for instance.)

In February 1998, Unocal's vice president for international relations, John Maresca, told a House subcommittee hearing on U.S. interests in the Central Asian Republics that an oil pipeline "would benefit Afghanistan, which would receive revenues from transport tariffs, and would promote stability and encourage trade and economic development." Emphasizing that "the proposed Central Asia Oil Pipeline (CentGas) cannot begin construction until an internationally recognized Afghanistan government is in place," he urged the administration and the Congress "to give strong support to the United Nations-led peace process in Afghanistan."

Until the 1998 al-Qaida embassy bombings, the Clinton administration's approach toward the Taliban was much the same as Unocal's: All parties agreed that the political stabilization of Afghanistan was crucial to the region, and was also a way to gain access to oil reserves of the Caspian Sea region. Though bin Laden had been in the country since 1996, the U.S. had not pressured the Taliban to hand him over.

The embassy bombings in August 1998 changed everything. The Clinton administration denounced the regime and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright turned up the heat on Taliban human rights abuses. The United Nations imposed sanctions, freezing Afghanistan's foreign assets and limiting its citizens' travel. The U.S. continued to talk to the Taliban, but the emphasis was on extraditing bin Laden in exchange for international recognition; the pipeline was off the table. Unocal, which had been close to finalizing its pipeline deal before the embassy bombings, cancelled it.

When George W. Bush took office in 2001, his administration made new overtures to the Taliban, and the pipeline deal gained renewed support, as an incentive to get the Taliban to make political concessions and form a broader government. U.S. representatives met with Afghanistan's former King Shah, to see if he might be included in a new government. And American companies began exploring the failed 1998 pipeline project. A report by an Afghan-born Enron manager in July 2001, for instance, illustrates that company's deep interest in some sort of pipeline deal. Enron had begun funding the same sorts of humanitarian projects as Unocal had three years earlier.

In March 2001, several Taliban officials, including Sayed Rahmattulah Hashimi, Mullah Omar's personal advisor, were invited to Washington by their U.S. lobbyist, Leila Helms, the niece of former CIA Director Richard Helms. The agenda included discussions of extraditing bin Laden as well as facilitating American companies' access to oil reserves in central Asia. The delegation met with representatives of the Directorate of Central Intelligence (DCI) and the Bureau of Intelligence and Research of the State Department.

This visit provoked concern and criticism in Washington over how Hashimi obtained a visa, a plane ticket, security clearance and access to American institutions -- including the State Department and the National Security Council -- despite travel restrictions on Taliban leadership imposed by U.N. sanctions (the official answer was that Hashimi fell below the rank of senior official covered by the sanctions.)

Four months later, American diplomats met with Taliban emissaries as well as representatives from Pakistan, Iran and Russia for four days of talks in Berlin in mid-July. Again, the message was that if the Taliban would extradite bin Laden and form a broad-based national government, it could win international recognition and reap extensive economic subsidies from the construction of a pipeline. The meeting was one of several convened by Francesco Vendrell, a Spanish diplomat who serves as the U.N.'s chief representative on Afghanistan. The delegates at the July meeting included Robert Oakley, former U.S. ambassador and Unocal lobbyist; Karl "Rick" Inderfurth, former assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs; Lee Coldren, head of the Office of Pakistan, Afghan and Bangladesh Affairs in the State Department until 1997; Tom Simons, former U.S. ambassador to Pakistan and the most recent official negotiator with the Taliban; Naif Naik, former Foreign Minister of Pakistan; Nikolai Kozyrev, a former Russian special envoy to Afghanistan; and Saeed Rajai Khorassani, formerly the Iranian representative to the U.N. The Taliban ambassador to Pakistan, Abdul Salam Zaeef, attended several sessions with some of the delegates in Berlin, according to Naif Naik, though officially the Taliban had not been invited. Naik was expected to carry the U.S. message to the Taliban.

According to Naik, the point of the meeting was that "we would try to convey to them that if they did certain things, then, gradually, they could win the jackpot, get something in return from the international community." It might, Naik said, "be possible to persuade the Taliban that once a broader-based government was in place and the oil pipeline under way, there would be billions of dollars in commission, and the Taliban would have their own resources."

It was at the July meeting, according to Naik, that Tom Simons suggested that Afghanistan could face an open-ended military operation from bases in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan if it didn't accede to U.S. demands. "Ambassador Simons stated that if the Taliban wouldn't agree with the plan, and if Pakistan was unable to persuade them, the United States might use an overt action against Afghanistan," Naik says. The words used by Simons were "a military operation," according to Naik. Another participant reportedly said the Taliban's choice was clear: either accept a "carpet of gold" riches from the pipeline or "a carpet of bombs," meaning a military strike.

Lee Coldren, a member of the U.S. delegation, also confirmed to the British newspaper the Guardian the American position at the Berlin meeting. "I think there was some discussion of the fact that the United States was so disgusted with the Taliban that they might be considering some military action."

In statements to newspapers, Simons has offered ambiguous explanations of his statements at the July meeting. In September, he told the British Guardian: "I've known Naik and considered him a friend for years. He's an honorable diplomat. I didn't say anything like that and didn't hear anyone else say anything like that. We were clear that feeling in Washington was strong, and that military action was one of the options down the road. But details, I don't know where they came from."

Yet in a November interview with Le Monde, Simons seemed to confirm that there had been some talk of U.S. military action. "It is true that the Taliban was asked to deliver bin Laden and form a government," Simons told Le Monde. "We said in July that we were investigating the attack against the USS Cole in Yemen, and that if there were solid evidence of the implication of bin Laden, one had to expect a military answer. One can always inflate such a declaration to see a global threat against the Taliban. But the American declaration related only to the response to the USS-Cole.

"As for the 'carpet of gold and the carpet of bombs,' we actually discussed the need for a plan for rebuilding for Afghanistan, which would follow a political agreement," he said, adding that "It's possible that a mischievous American participant, after several drinks, may have thought it smart to evoke gold carpets and carpet bombs. Even Americans can't resist the temptation to be mischievous."

The last known meeting between U.S. and Taliban representatives took place in August, five weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks, when U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Central Asian affairs Christina Rocca met with the Taliban's ambassador to Pakistan Abdul Salam Zaeef.

It would be unfair to suggest that the U.S. threat in July led to the al-Qaida strike. But while Simons doesn't admit that he personally threatened the Taliban with reprisal, he confirms that only a few weeks before Sept. 11, American diplomats warned of military action against Afghanistan if its leaders did not meet U.S. economic and political demands. It is worth asking whether, had this threat been widely known, U.S. intelligence agencies might have analyzed the information they were receiving about bin Laden's plots against the U.S. differently.

Now the newly discovered Atef memo makes clear that in 1998, at least, al-Qaida was well informed about negotiations between the Taliban and the U.S. on the oil pipeline and other American concerns. The memo also shows that those negotiations were the Taliban's gambit to extend its power; Mullah Omar's government never had any intention of allowing U.S. firms to construct an oil pipeline, or letting the U.S. dictate the members of its ruling body. Given the inside knowledge al-Qaida had about U.S.-Taliban negotiations, it's reasonable to suspect bin Laden's group also received and understood the U.S. threat of military action delivered in late July as a threat of war.

In the end, though, the U.S. got its way. Interim Afghan leader Hamid Karzai decided on May 30 to revive the pipeline project with Pakistan and Turkmenistan, signing an agreement under which the three governments agree to implement a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan through Afghanistan. Would that U.S. intelligence agencies' investigations into al-Qaida activities in the months before Sept. 11 had such a productive ending.

Jean-Charles Brisard, coauthor of "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth," is a consultant on business and corporate intelligence.










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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:24 PM
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2. Then take a look at this propaganda commercial that was being
aired today.

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/war_on_terror.mov

If you aren't sick already, this will do the trick.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:29 PM
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4. That's one of the most disqusting ads I have ever seen
:puke: I am more worried now, knowing that there are people out there that want us to believe this more than they want us to think.

:mad:
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:33 PM
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6. I know, I was just speechless when I saw it this morning.
I have never since propaganda like that used in this country in the 50 years I have been alive. This is the kind of thing they were always telling us we were fighting against in the cold war. Well I guess those days are over now.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 06:45 AM
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19. Yeah
It worked. I'm thoroughly sickened.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:25 PM
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3. Its the network that discovered Geraldo Rivera and features John Stossel.
How could you expect more?
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:36 PM
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also fired Bill Maher and Ted Koppel
n/t
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:30 PM
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5. I was channel surfing past TPT911
I caught my local ABC affiliate's disclaimer scrolling across the top of the screen in bold font. It said something about the program being a dramatization produced for ABC and that the opinions expressed did not necessarily represent the views of WJLA (D.C. affiliate). Was this common in other areas?

We need to keep up the pressure on the media about this type of propaganda.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:34 PM
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7. No scroll here NT
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:36 PM
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13. If you were watching WJLA, you
should have been watching WDC Channel 20 with the Redskins, the y lost, BUT IT WAS BETTER ENTERTAINMENT!!
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:44 PM
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16. I'm sure it was better entertainment, but
I just can't root for the Skins this year. I can't stand to see Allen turn each win into a photo-op. Maybe after November.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:34 PM
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8. Hi, Two Sparkles. The Moussaui story seems totally messed up
It's like the show's writers never read the Colleen Rowley memo. The AGENTS were begging for a FISA warrant to look at that damned laptop. It was FBI headquarters that wouldn't help get the warrant--one of the very few ever not granted. And the guy who stood in Rowley's way was promoted:



Although the last thing the FBI or the country needs now is a witch hunt, I do find it odd that (to my knowledge) no inquiry whatsoever was launched of the relevant FBIHQ personnel's actions a long time ago. Despite FBI leaders' full knowledge of all the items mentioned herein (and probably more that I'm unaware of), the SSA, his unit chief, and other involved HQ personnel were allowed to stay in their positions and, what's worse, occupy critical positions in the FBI's SIOC Command Center post September 11th. (The SSA in question actually received a promotion some months afterward!)

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_whistleblower1.htm



Political correctness is bullshit.
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alliance man Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:35 PM
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9. THE TRUTH
How long do we have to put up with this disinformation. I can stand it. Every time I turned on the stupid TV today I seemed to be confronted with how it was everyones fault but Bushie...AHHHHHH
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 09:55 AM
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22. Hi alliance man!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:36 PM
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10. This is the DU confirmation I wanted. Now I'll delete ABC from my TV.
Don't forget how 20/20 gave Matthew Shepard's murderers a voice. I'll miss the local news on the ABC channel but I seldom watched their primetime schedule.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:36 PM
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11. TIVO Recordings Are Included In Ratings
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:36 PM
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12. It would be entirely appropriate after the mid terms
for ABC's license to be reviewed for possible abuse of the public trust.
Such a propaganda piece being sent over our public air waves needs to
be scrutinized by our dear public protecting FCC. Oh I can't stand it.
The corporations own them too don't they.
Who protects the little guy any more?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:37 PM
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14. Just notify ABC you're boycotting them and leave them alone!
Don't click on TV, radio, or net to their site. That is how they will get the message.

The same as many of us have done to Faux News and their ratings are going straight down.

Ignore the Bush enablers and liars.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:40 PM
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15. This is very serious stuff.
It looks like we are going to be living through some very trying and troubling times. I keep wondering how long they will continue to let us communicate on the internet. I think that this movie was meant to show us the power this administration has. They can even rewrite history! Makes me wonder if our hopes of a regime change will happen. Or is it just a nice little dream to keep us hoping. Maybe Nov.8 they will just tell us "better luck next time!".
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 11:34 PM
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17. Did they show Moussaoui using Nick Berg's laptop?
That's one of those truth-is-stranger-than-fiction things that I've still never heard a decent explanation for.
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lynch03 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 12:53 AM
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18. i watched it and..
I was hoping most people, like me were bored to tears by the absolutely absurd dialogue and overall direction. I really hope most people just decided to watch monday night footbaall
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 10:03 AM
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24. GREAT review TwoSparkles
I watched it too as noted here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2116725

You said it better than I did. The directing was bad and Donnie Walberg was reallly really bad. The Moussaui stuff was pure BS and talking points crap as far as I could tell. The $130Million from Clinton was news to me.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 10:13 AM
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26. Can ANYONE find a source for the $130million claim?
Quick Googleing doesn't turn anything up, and one would have thought that would have been on the RWingers' laundry list of charges against Clinton somewhere.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 07:47 AM
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21. I find it really disturbing, too
I didn't see the whole thing, but what I saw was so the complete opposite of what actually happened, I couldn't even believe it. I don't think there's a reasonable conclusion other than ABC conspired with the badministration and this miniseries was a centerpiece of their campaign strategy.

Guarantee ya there are now a whole lot of people who believe that the Pretzeldent was all over Bin Laden and would have saved us from 9/11 if everyone else hadn't been so incompetent.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 10:01 AM
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Florida State Employees Fund owns 7.3M shares of Disney.
Jebbie controls it.

When following the money, check out this report from Mercury Rising:

http://phoenixwoman.blogspot.com/2006/09/news-of-day.html

I was just listening to Johnny Wendell here on KTLK interviewing Ray Richmond of The Hollywood Reporter who reports that there have been rumors around town ever since Disney refused to distribute "Fahrenheit 9/11" that Disney has a corrupt relationship with Jeb Bush in Florida.

Posted on Hullaballoo, with original at American Progress by FollowtheMoney:

JEB BUSH CONTROLS 7.3 MILLION SHARES OF DISNEY STOCK: As governor of Florida, Jeb Bush serves as a trustee for the state employees' pension fund. That fund owns approximately 7.3 million shares of Disney stock. According to the Orlando Sentinel on 3/2/04, how the state votes those shares in board of director elections is "a closely watched decision with political as well as economic dimensions."...EISNER TELLS JEB BUSH HOW IMPORTANT THEIR RELATIONSHIP IS TO DISNEY: Disney's agreement with the state of Florida "gives the entertainment company near complete control over 40,000 acres" in the central part of the state. Disney's theme parks operate "free from government oversight – it is in effect the government – and can do almost whatever it wants with its land."



The American Progress article is linked below. Just scroll down to "MEDIA: House of Bush, House of Mickey":
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=837247&ct=48110

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Kashka-Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 10:01 AM
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23. No Pet Goat scene! In this version Bush comes on TV immediately as
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 10:03 AM by Kashka-Kat
it's happening, as if to reassure us - Time compression my ass! Lets call it for what it is, distortion and lies. Didn't show him being flown around for hours as really happened....
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 10:11 AM
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25. I have hesitated to post about TP911 before now,
And I refused to watch that piece of propaganda tripe. But really, should this sort of garbage suprise anyone? This has been an ongoing and growing problem for the past fifteen years. This is what happens when a president like Clinton allows and supports ever more media conglomeration, as he did with the '96 Telecom Act. It allowed what was already a fairly small group of media corporations(fifteen) merge to the point now where only six corporations control 95% of our media. Books, magazines, TV, newspapers, movies, radio stations, all of that and more is in the hands of six corporate entities, all of whom have ties, both direct and indirect, to both Bushco and the military industrial complex. Look at NBC, whose parent company GE is one of the larger players in the weapon systems biz. Or Faux, whose former anchor is now press secretary for Bush.

After Nixon got burned, there was a concerted effort on the right to nullify the news media, to tame it, to shut it up. This effort was successful because sadly Democrats, getting the same voting orders from their corporate sponsors as the 'Pugs did, went along with this madness. Perhaps they felt that if they played nicey nice with the media, the media would do the same. As we saw in the '00 election that didn't happen and won't happen. Corporate conservatives have effectively throttled the media. Sure, bits and pieces are leaked out here and there, occaissionaly a reporter gets the guts to tell the truth, but they are immediately slapped down and shut up. All we have to do is witness the trouble Dan Rather went through.

Thus a farcical piece like TP911 should come as no suprise. Nor should you be suprised when we see ever increasing amounts of this BS come through the tube as election day nears. There is nothing that can be done about it now, but if the Democrats regain control of the Senate and House, two things should be done immediately. The first is to repeal the '96 Telecom Act, and other acts allowing for excessive media conglomeration. The second is that we have got to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine which was ditched under Reagan. These two actions would allow for a more diverse, energetic and truthful media. The only trouble is such legislation would mean taking on the very corporations that fund the Democrats. And sadly, I seriously doubt that there are very many Congressmen who are willing to do that.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 11:50 AM
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27. Surprised? Oh, how I wish it was such a new thing that I'd be surprised.
You're quite right in noting that they've been gunning for the "liberal media" since Nixon (and before, actually, but after Nixon is when they got some real funding).

But even so, it has to be fought, especially blatant fictions like this. Fighting alone won't turn it around, but it won't be turned around without fighting.
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