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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:45 PM
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George Bush Is A War Criminal And Must Be Tried


U.S. to Bush: Get yourself a good lawyer; you're gonna need one!

There may be probable cause to try George W. Bush for capital crimes. Bush is losing it. He's combative, belligerent, rambling, disconnected and overtly defensive. He's desperately trying to come up with various defenses on various fronts —all ex post facto. One is tempted to tell him: give up, George! Surrender to the authorities! You get one phone call; use it to get in touch in Jim Baker. Get your lies straight!

The issue is torture —a heinous act that Bush insists on calling "...an alternative set of procedures". Interviewed by Matt Lauer, Bush tried to justify torture as necessary even as he denied that the US was torturing. Bush tried to avoid the question: if torture is "legal", then why did the US try to keep it secret throughout Eastern Europe? Bush may choose to refer to torture by some Orwellian term. The rest of us know the truth of it! In the name of decency and humanity, we will call the US program of atrocity what is it is: war crimes!


I suggest a complete reading of the Geneva Conventions relative to the treatment of prisoners of war. But here is a small portion which flies in the face of the numerous lies that are told about Geneva by Bush partisans:
To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

(b) Taking of hostages;

(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;

(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.

Article 13

Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest.

Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.

—Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War

Here's Bush in his aggressive/defensive/thin-skinned mode, interviewed by Matt Lauer:
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2006/09/us-to-bush-get-yourself-good-lawyer.html
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:55 PM
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1. In the video he dances around like guilty little monkey
who's been caught red-handed.

Let the law see to it he pays for all the suffering he's caused.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:04 PM
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2. He withheld Federal assistance from the suffering and dying.Katrina.
This is a national human rights violation. He will answer!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:05 PM
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3. He not only withheld assistance for the victims of Katrina
He did it deliberately.

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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:53 PM
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6. He had to have known it was happening, if he says not then he has
severe cognitive problems and must be removed from office yesterday. He has no excuses anymore. He has lied, deceived, mislead, corrupted, used religion as a tool,ignored the Constitution, betrayed our troops,okayed the outing of a covert agent,condoned classified leaks, misused the power of his office to intimidate whistle blowers,transported Saudi Family immediately out of the US when the skies were cleared for everyone else,obstructed the 9/11 investigation, failed to oversee the management of the corporations hired to feed, equip, transport, and guarantee fresh drinking water for our soldiers.

It is true that there are many more counts of criminal misuse of office and national and international human rights abuses. I am ashamed that his Rove-r has padded his way so well that most Americans have not looked past the rages of emotion they are confronted with on a personal level.

Like an abusive relationship it's past time to separate our Lady Liberty from this winking batterer.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:19 PM
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4. Is he getting worse lately?
I have been trying to avoid watching him. I am filled with such shame, pity, and embarrassment when I see him speak. Not to mentions that his lies make me sick.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:32 PM
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5. this is a desperate socialpath who is so out of control
If they dont put him in an institution and he is allowed to continue his delusions
no one is safe!!!!!!He is capable of the most evil and sinister acts to this country and every other country in the world.
He loves torturing and killing and that is his biggest motivation for this war.
He is legally getting away slaughter and no one holds him accountable.
If he isnt stopped he will find a way to destroy this plnet
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 04:02 PM
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7. Here's some folks who agree with you.
The campdemocracy.org folks in front of the White House today:



They tell me that tonight they'll be holding a shindig at 14th and Constitution, right by the Washington Monument.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 06:53 PM
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8. Bush Violates Law- Safety Information Kept From Public
Edited on Fri Sep-15-06 07:01 PM by Jcrowley
March 22, 2004

Bush Administration Violates Law in Attempt to Keep Auto Safety Information from the Public

DOT Rule on Early Warning Data Should Be Declared Unenforceable, Public Citizen Tells Court

WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Bush administration acted illegally in moving to keep certain automobile safety information from the public, Public Citizen said in a lawsuit filed with the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia today. The consumer advocacy group asked the court to find disclosure rules recently issued by the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) unenforceable.

The rules relate to the implementation of the Transportation Recall Enhancement, Accountability and Documentation (TREAD) Act, enacted in 2000 by Congress in the wake of the Ford/Firestone tragedy. Before that, manufacturers had been accumulating data on problems with tire tread separation and rollover-prone Ford Explorers but had kept the data secret. Federal regulators failed to catch the defects before hundreds of people were killed in crashes. The TREAD Act seeks to prevent a recurrence of that tragedy by requiring manufacturers to give the DOT reports and data that could give an "early warning" about safety defects, including warranty claim information, auto dealer reports, consumer complaints, and data on child restraint systems and tires.

http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=1670
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 06:54 PM
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9. Yes, he is ....and..... yes, he should
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 07:01 PM
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10. Bush Violates Law- Secret prisons
Administration’s Secret Prison System Violates Law

Earler this year, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said the United States was adhering to both U.S. law and treaty obligations outlawing torture:

And as we carry out the war on terrorism, and seek to prevent attacks from happening, we must adhere to those laws, and we must adhere to those treaty obligations and we must adhere to — we must adhere to our values.

But the Washington Post reports today that the U.S. is keeping prisoners in a system of secret, “black-site” prisons around the world, where they can be treated to punishment which the U.N. Convention on torture and U.S. military law does not allow:

Host countries have signed the U.N. Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, as has the United States. Yet CIA interrogators in the overseas sites are permitted to use the CIA’s approved “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques,” some of which are prohibited by the U.N. convention and by U.S. military law. They include tactics such as “waterboarding,” in which a prisoner is made to believe he or she is drowning.

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/02/secret-prison-system/
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 07:10 PM
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11. Excellent article!!!!
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 07:28 PM
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12. Bush and Cheney are criminals, and that is all that they are
"The denunciation shall have effect only in respect of the denouncing Power. It shall in no way impair the obligations which the Parties to the conflict shall remain bound to fulfil by virtue of the principles of the law of nations, as they result from the usages established among civilized peoples, from the laws of humanity and the dictates of the public conscience." GC III art. 142, GC IV art. 158.

Under the supremacy clause, that is US law, and the principle that one does not change or suspend the rules during an armed conflict is nothing new. The very first US treaty that touched on this was the 1785 Treaty of Amity and Commerce with Prussia, which states:

"t is declared, that neither the pretence that war dissolves all treaties, nor any other whatever, shall be considered as annulling or suspending this & the next preceding article, but on the contrary, that the state of war is precisely that for which they are provided, & during which they are to be as sacredly observed as the most acknowledged articles in the law of nature or nations." Id. art. 24.

(2) Even if you make the Geneva conventions vanish, what remains are the Nuremberg Principles and customary law going back to Hague 1907, the Lieber Code (1863), and beyond.

The Bush administration's war crimes will still be crimes against humanity, and any effort by Congress to provide them cover for those crimes will also be a crime.

What people need to understand is that no terrorist is as a great a threat to us as a government that will not obey our own laws. Bush and Cheney are criminals, and that is all that they are.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:24 PM
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13. Bush Violates Law- NSA Programs


Specter: NSA program violates law
By Michael Hampton
Posted: February 5, 2006 6:19 pm

Senator Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) said Sunday that he believes the so-called terrorist surveillance program conducted by the National Security Agency under authorization from President George W. Bush is illegal. Specter, who is chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, will begin holding hearings on the program Monday.

Specter, speaking on NBC’s Meet the Press, called the program “in flat violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.”

The Judiciary Committee will question current Attorney General Albert Gonzales, and wants to question his predecessor, John Ashcroft, as well as other Bush administration officials, according to the International Herald Tribune.

Of Democratic calls to subpoena notes of administration deliberations about the legality of the program, Senator Specter said he would not immediately move to do so. But “if the necessity arises,” he added, “I won’t be timid.”

http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/02/05/specter-nsa-program-violates-law/
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 11:44 PM
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14. Bush deserves a fair trial.
Ok, maybe he doesn't really deserve to be treated fairly, but still..

send him to the Hague..

he has no strategic intelligence value..
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:58 AM
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15. My guess after reading Article III of the Geneva Conventions, and based on
so many things we already know that the Bush Administration has done and what folks like Sy Hersch and others have said that they have done, that it is easy to understand this:

BUSH has violated practically the entire Article III of the Geneva Convention and on multiple occasions.

He is worried that they are actually going to be charged in violation of this. Also, what if the tapes of the rape of children ever get released? Are they preparing for that? Maybe worse?

:shrug:
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 01:03 PM
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16. He's a war criminal, all right.
But he must be tortured. To see who else is involved, you know, and what other nefarious acts they have planned to destroy our democracy.
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