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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:26 PM
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Will Pitt: Swiftboating the Swiftboaters
Does this piss anyone else off as much as it does me? Obviously John O'Neil is a stooge. We should have known. He doesn't have much more on the ball than your average rightwing loser. Someone else is pulling the strings! Thank you Will for exposing them.

Swiftboating the Swiftboaters
By William Rivers Pitt

<SNIP>

The group's sole donor is a man named Bob J. Perry from Texas. Recently, Perry gave $5 million to the EFF, one of the largest single donations to any 527 organization this year, an amount that exceeds the $4.5 million Perry gave to the Swift Boat Veterans in 2004.

In short, Mr. Perry was the main force behind the Swift Boat Veterans, and is today the main force behind the Economic Freedom Fund. The EFF just made the largest media buy to date in a close Iowa race, to the tune of $446,850, for ads seeking to undercut Democratic incumbent Leonard Boswell. Huge expenditures by EFF for television ads, direct mailings and robo-calls have also been made to affect races in Georgia, West Virginia and Indiana.

This time, however, the Swiftboaters are not going unanswered. James Boyce, a fifteen-year marketing and advertising veteran who served as a senior advisor to Kerry's presidential campaign, has organized a watchdog group called The Patriot Project. Its mission, according to Boyce, is to "defend any man or woman, regardless of party or affiliation, who is attacked or defamed and whose patriotism is questioned simply because they exercise their rights as Americans. The primary way we do this is to expose and make transparent front groups so that voters who hear their advertising and charges can make an informed decision about those claims.

MORE
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092006J.shtml
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:27 PM
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1. We need to fight fire with fire! Kicked and Recommended.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:32 PM
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2. I wonder if Merrie Spaeth has her fingers in this as well
That not connected (HA) funder of the Swifferbint Liars for Troof.

Tex, roll over in yer grave again kthnx.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:23 PM
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10. I think John Peschong will be the front man for Economic Freedom Fund
Peschong is with Meridian Pacific, and they are handling the EFF account. It should be noted that John Peschong has close ties to Sal Russo, "The King of Astroturf™". We can expect the same crap foisted on the public like Sal Russo's 'Stop Michael Moore' campaign to discredit the film Fahrenheit 9/11, the Astroturf™ 'Cindy doesn't speak for me' movement to discredit Cindy Sheehan, and the 'Truth Tour' to tell the good news that the old-line liberal news media won't tell you about the war in Iraq. Expect a secret email campaign (They DO have an extensive massaged and tailored email list) timed to coincide with the TV ads in an attempt to create the illusion of a 'Grassroots' movement to take back America. Jingoism and nationalism will be the order of the day, with a good dose of flag waving thrown in for good measure. Works every time.
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:33 PM
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3. It was public knowledge back in ' 04t that
Perry was the money man.

To me it's just the right wing version of Soros and Moveon.org. Except Soros is quite a bit more wealthy! B-)
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:34 PM
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4. The one difference is that Move.on and Soros expose lies
rather than make them up!! Big huge difference if you ask me.
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:19 AM
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25. They might say what you like to hear
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:38 AM
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30. Factcheck and spinsanity aren't the best analysis sources. Why don't YOU
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 11:39 AM by blm
just stick to facts and stop depending on poor analysis from others?

Factcheck was often so wrong throughout 2003 and 2004, it was rarely worth it to click on their site.

Try REAL sources like Media Matters or FAIR.
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 12:49 PM
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31. Funny,
I bet you can't find one single thing wrong with the RW pieces they do, right?

Show me some of the RW pieces they have done that are not factual and then maybe we can get by this bias thing you have.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 12:56 PM
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32. DU isn't here to defend GOP who already has corpmedia protecting them and
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 12:59 PM by blm
they don't need us.

I find it interesting that you won't use MediaMatters or FAIR and hide behind factcheck and spinsanity's often poor analysis.

You are the one with the bias against real factcheckers like Media Matters and FAIR.
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:10 PM
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33. like I said...
you find their poor analysis only applies to the stories you don't like.

If that's not true, you should be able to easily show me some RW stories they've done that are junk.

I mean, that really says it all.

I read pretty much every major political information site out there, but I'm not so blinded that I don't know who is on what side. I always fact check.

You should to... to blindly believe these guys just because you are on the same side is how Fascism advances so rapidly. Be a part of keeping the mouthpieces for your party honest, not an enabler to the never ending propaganda war we are quagmired in today.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:28 PM
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34. MEDIA MATTERS AND FAIR aren't your cup of tea, they analyze many of
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 01:28 PM by blm
the same stories and issues as factcheck and sopinsanity and come up with different conclusions. I know where the facts are found. Your loyalty is to some faux balance you pretend to see.

Joe Scarborough comes to mind.
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:47 PM
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35. Somebody really smart once said
Liberalism is as badly served by liberal intellectual dishonesty as it is by conservative intellectual dishonesty.

I happen to fully agree with that and will keep calling it out because championing the lies benefits the rw machine.

The sources you want me to use would be akin to using Newsmax to debunk rightwing bullshit. They do have a dog in the fight.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:09 PM
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36. Media Matters and FAIR are equal to Newsmax? You have GOT to be kidding.
Media Matters and FAIR footnote and resource EVERYTHING they do. Newsmax is a propaganda tool for the Republican party - their dources are "WH sources say" or unnnamed party officials.
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:20 PM
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37. No, I'm not kidding
I said Media Matters and FAIR have a dog in the fight and indeed they do. They are both admittedly partisan. As is Newsmax. I take nothing from any of them as gospel.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:34 PM
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38. MediaMatters/FAIR both SOURCE their corrections. Newsmax doesn't
and doesn't even CORRECT news stories or columns, they merely propogate often unchecked and unsourced stories.

No unbiased person could claim they operate the same.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:37 PM
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5. How about Scaif and Murdoch and the entire Media?
Do they count in your version of things?
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:39 PM
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6. These people steal our tax revenues and use them against us
CLASSWARFARE
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RangerSmith Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:04 PM
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8. Not really,
they aren't self declared 527 PAC's.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:00 PM
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15. Soros and Moveon are honest
and not evil.

BIG difference.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:31 PM
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21. The swifts lied - MoveOn used FACTS - you call that the same?
.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:39 AM
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23. Do you know who Richard Mellon Scaife is?
It's time you google his name.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:59 PM
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7. K & R!!!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:04 PM
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9. Kerry campaign answered the swifts but media ignored the answers. Boyce
saw it, and now believes they have to be fought with AD CAMPAIGNS against them.

The media is NOT going to be fair to any Democrat.

Patriot Project is the way to go until the media is exposed for the GOP shills they are.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:30 PM
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11. unfortunately, ad buys might not work either
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 05:31 PM by 0rganism
I seem to recall a number of occasions in the last 6 years or so where ads by left-leaning or Dem-supporting organizations were blocked or mummified in red tape by corporate networks and local affilliates while the rightwing ads scooted through unchecked. But maybe Boyce knows how to run the gauntlet more effectively? I'll keep an eye on it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:38 PM
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12. true - our battle really needs to be one against the GOP control of media.
EVERY issue revolves around whether any Dem message can get through, let alone all the facts of news stories that get covered UP or not covered at all.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:29 PM
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20. Then they have to YouTube the ads
Saturate the internet. It's a new tool. They can use it to their advantage.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:38 PM
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13. And did they choose "EFF" deliberately? To throw off donations
and support from the Other EFF, the Electronic Freedom Foundation?

One must wonder...
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:56 PM
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14. There is nothing beneath them, so it wouldn 't surprise me. nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:24 PM
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19. OMG - I thought the exact same thing when I first saw it last month.
Because that is how they operate choose something that sounds very much like a left group or a group that gives you trouble - I've noticed it since the Clarence Thomas hearings where they threw together a group of 3 blacks to make them sound like an established black organization. They received the samel time for their views as established black leaders opposing Thomas.
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blue cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:06 PM
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16. Does it piss me off?
I am a 5'2" woman, but I have enough anger fuming about this to fist fight a large man. My repub sister loved to make fun of Kerry saying that he shot himself in the ass. Man, we did have some huge knock down drag out fights about the swift boat liars. It really did come between us. It's a fucking down right shame that the repubs wanted to win this way.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:14 PM
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17. anyone who swiftboats better never say "I support the troops"
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:57 PM
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18. Not just a Kick, but an ass kicking and a recommend
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:19 AM
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22. So, if I read this right, Mr. Perry, a friend of Karl Rove's
Has been throwing his own millions into the Swift Boat ad and expecting nothing back.
Maybe it wasn't his own money.

Follow the money.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:01 AM
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24. Go James Boyce
We can't back down from these repukes.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:00 AM
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26. I hope that James Boyce is very, very, very good at marketing and
advertising! LOL
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:01 AM
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27. Let's just waterboard the swiftboaters
I'll volunteer.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:07 AM
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28. Waterboard the Swiftboaters!
Now there's a great bumpersticker!

:thumbsup:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:07 AM
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29. Good work by Will Pitt in following the money.
Bob J. Perry is a building contractor in Houston. Maybe he needs his books audited by the IRS.
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