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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:33 PM
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Heard that all Canadian pols have to avow hatred for * to win.
This includes Conservatives. Canadian DUers, is this true?
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:34 PM
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1. No
It's not.

That doesn't mean W is liked up here; he's not. But there is no litmus test like this.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:35 PM
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3. Hey, enigmatic.
How're you doing? I presume you've seen the projections.

Could've been a lot worse, IMO.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:42 PM
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7. Hey bro
I'm packaging your CD's as we speak! And yes, it could have been much worse. Not much will change, I think..
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:50 PM
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8. We'll see.
I think WE'LL have to change, though. Not as much armchair quarterbacking about American politics, and more vigilance toward our own. Maybe we needed this. (Trying to be pragmatic/optimistic.)

How long 'til you get your citizenship, by the way? Any idea?

Looking forward to the CDs! :)
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:55 PM
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9. Oh, I'll agree with that, too
We have to turn inward after this; it's not too late under any circumstance for The Liberals to rid themselves of the flotsam and Jetsam in the party, not by a long shot..

Hopefully by this time next year I'll be able to vote; I'm in the home stretch of the immigration thing. I just have to Curl while drinking a 6 pack of Molson and I'm in!;)
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 11:01 PM
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10. That's a good start.
Can you hum the Mr. Dressup theme song yet?

That, and doing a decent imitation of Miss Bizz are both on the final, I do believe. :)

Seriously, that sounds great. I was imagining years and years of red tape.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:34 PM
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2. US relations is a big deal
but it's not the whole deal by a long shot.

Where'd you hear this?
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:35 PM
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4. My husband said he heard this on CBS news last night.
Said that Conservatives were screaming their dissatisfaction with *.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:36 PM
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5. LOL
Someone got it wrong somewhere.:)
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:38 PM
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6. Seems that way.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 11:12 PM
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11. The conservative leader, Harper, did distance himself from Bush policies
The conservative leader Harper was very pro Bush, especially prior to the Iraq war. He was all for sending Canadian troops to Iraq as part of the effort to get Saddam's non-existent WMDs. However after it turned out there were no WMDs and Iraq turned to crap and started looking more and more like a quagmire, he quckly backed of the "Rah, rah. Go USA. We're with you whover you decide to invade next" type of attitude, and during the election campaign he was noticeably trying to put some distance between himself and GWB. I would say however the description of the conservatives, "screaming their dissatisfaction" at GWB would be a bit over the top.


Would Stephen Harper turn Canada into smaller version of the United States? The Bush administration certainly hopes so. An oft-quoted article by Partrick Basham in the Washington Times praised Harper as, "Mr. Bush's new best friend internationally and the poster boy for his ideal foreign leader."

That appraisal was based on Stephen Harper’s record on the illegal invasion of Iraq, his anti-environmental stance, and his social conservatism. It was not meant to be hatchet job on Harper. In fact the article was written in praise of Harper by a conservative columnist who works for a conservative think tank and printed in a publication known to be right leaning. Basham is Harper’s political ally, a friend in the neo-conservative sense of the word. Harper, desperately trying to separate himself from his record, immediately fired off a rebuttal pointing out that he had softened his view considerably on those issues.

In an article for The Globe and Mail Basham responded to Harper’s rebuttal saying "I had said that Mr. Harper was pro-free trade, pro-Iraq war, anti-Kyoto, and socially conservative. His response was disheartening: He used evasions and weasel words to both affirm and deny every item on the list."

When your friends are accusing you of using evasions and weasel words, what does that leave your foes with? Well, many of Harper’s foes just quote what he and others in the Conservative Party have said. There are a few web sites dedicated to this. The Liberal Party runs StephenHarperSaid.ca, The Canadian Democratic Movement has a page of Harper quotes, and Brainy Quote also has many of Harper’s more memorable attacks on Canada on their site. The latest Liberal attack ads also depend heavily on things that have sprung directly from Mr. Harper’s mouth.

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20060112213014325
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