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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:05 PM
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Misplaced pity
Is not going to help eliminate psychopathy...


Hare once illustrated this for Nicole Kidman, who had invited him to Hollywood to help her prepare for a role as a psychopath in Malice. How, she wondered, could she show the audience there was something fundamentally wrong with her character?

"I said, 'Here's a scene that you can use,' " Hare says. " 'You're walking down a street and there's an accident. A car has hit a child in the crosswalk. A crowd of people gather round. You walk up, the child's lying on the ground and there's blood running all over the place. You get a little blood on your shoes and you look down and say, "Oh shit." You look over at the child, kind of interested, but you're not repelled or horrified. You're just interested. Then you look at the mother, and you're really fascinated by the mother, who's emoting, crying out, doing all these different things. After a few minutes you turn away and go back to your house. You go into the bathroom and practice mimicking the facial expressions of the mother.' " He then pauses and says, "That's the psychopath: somebody who doesn't understand what's going on emotionally, but understands that something important has happened."

Hare's research upset a lot of people. Until the psychopath came into focus, it was possible to believe that bad people were just good people with bad parents or childhood trauma and that, with care, you could talk them back into being good. Hare's research suggested that some people behaved badly even when there had been no early trauma. Moreover, since psychopaths' brains were in fundamental ways different from ours, talking them into being like us might not be easy. Indeed, to this day, no one has found a way to do so.

"Some of the things he was saying about these individuals, it was unheard of," says Dr. Steven Stein, a psychologist and ceo of Multi-Health Systems in Toronto, the publisher of the Psychopathy Checklist. "Nobody believed him thirty years ago, but Bob hasn't wavered, and now everyone's where he is. Everyone's come full circle, except a small group who believe it's bad upbringing, family poverty, those kinds of factors, even though scientific evidence has shown that's not the case. There are wealthy psychopaths who've done horrendous things, and they were brought up in wonderful families."
"There's still a lot of opposition -- some criminologists, sociologists, and psychologists don't like psychopathy at all," Hare says. "I can spend the entire day going through the literature -- it's overwhelming, and unless you're semi-brain-dead you're stunned by it -- but a lot of people come out of there and say, 'So what? Psychopathy is a mythological construct.' They have political and social agendas: 'People are inherently good,' they say. 'Just give them a hug, a puppy dog, and a musical instrument and they're all going to be okay.' "



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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:25 PM
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1. Which kind of goes along with God has a sense of humor
otherwise why would we be in such duality of situations. Survival of the fittest, but be a good caretaker also. Take care of your own needs, but be a good nurturer. Suffering builds character, and on and on. It is complicated. I have read a couple books by saintly people and they strike me as extremely hard on themselves, to the point of harshness.

The most ogre type person being the one to help you when you are at your lowest point.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:37 PM
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2. Would this be like mocking someone before you had them executed??
That is a very interesting article. To think that there are people like that living among us is very scary. Even more frightening is that most of us know a psychopath.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:15 PM
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3. Sure bothers me
I wish there was a way to fix the situation and stop the abuses tho.
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