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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:53 AM
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So who is going to protest? (With effectively no Habeas Corpus)
Edited on Sat Sep-30-06 10:55 AM by Gregorian
Isn't this what the intention was? Who is going to hit the streets? And face waterboarding? I don't think so.

And isn't this a violation of our Constitutional rights? The First, at least.

Isn't this unconstitutional by virtue of how it affects our other Constitutional rights?

But as it stands, we are no longer free.

Everyone is free to shop. But hell, they're free to shop under the Taliban.

We have no Freedom now. No freedom to express what is important.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:58 AM
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1. They can't waterboard all of us
History is on our side in the fight against this sort of tyranny.
The only thing holding us back is our own timidity.
Bush will eventually lose.... if we try
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:09 AM
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6. Yeah. How's 38% going to waterboard the remainder?
Ultimately that is what it comes down to.

But the attempt is be no different than the Wizard of Oz. One fat guy behind a shield, terrifying the group.

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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:21 AM
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12. It only takes a few people
It's not 38% vs. the rest of us.

It's us versus apathy and fear.

Who stood up to the Nazis?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 12:32 PM
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14. And I was feeling so brave.
Darn you! :)

You're right. Who did stand up against the Nazis? I'll raise you. Who stood up against the drug war? Virtually unopposed. Well of course! Drugs are bad. Aren't they? Same argument. Just substitute outcasts for drugs.


I'm not going to fear. This isn't going to last. If it lasts, this isn't America. The Constitution still exists. And all judges aren't republicans.

I still cannot believe the Dems who voted for this. That has me the most afraid.

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pooja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:00 AM
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2. I plan on still protesting... Must be careful how you word your signs
now. I am assuming signs promoting the Constitution and upholding them would not be seen as a sign of being an "enemy combatant".
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:06 AM
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5. to hell with being careful
let them just try to take our rights away
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pooja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:03 AM
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3. Also, signs that say "Jesus doesn't torture." "Jesus stands for Peace"
Throw some scripture in there about people watching out for false prophets... Essentially, we are fighting Christian Fundamentalism... They are using God for their righteous acts. So, use it back.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:05 AM
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4. But..but, this makes Jesus a terrorist sympathizer!
A fellow traveler. An enemy combatant.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:13 AM
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9. So was George Washington. (That other George)
It's the same situation. They'd have all been drawn and quartered.


But my point is, it's not about enemy combatants.

There is no way this ruling can stand. And keep the Constitution.

I'm still totally blown away that any Dems voted for it.

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:17 AM
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10. "Those who live by the sword, will die by it" spoken not
"pre-emptively" but as Jesus was being led away to be killed, and Simon Peter, one of his disciples used his sword to protect Christ- Jesus admonished him.

One of Jesus' most repeated salutations?

"Go in Peace"-
i'm gonna do my best to honor that.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:44 PM
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15. Such a peacenik, that Jesus!
:)
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:10 AM
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7. I just changed my bumper sticker to
Have America call me when she gets back. (It has a photo of the statue of liberty.) I think I bought it from cafepress. I also wear the same sweatshirt.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:20 AM
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11. I am protesting.
If I am beaten, arrested, taken away... so be it.

"It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees."
~Zapata
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:33 AM
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13. It won't stop me
My outrage still outweighs my fear. :grr:

But it's true that there's plenty of reason for concern these days. :scared:

:grr:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:57 PM
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16. Sorry to disappoint you, but some of us have no plans to
roll over and play dead. I will be happy to keep protesting and speaking out. There is a tradition in my family of giving our lives to make this country better, starting in the Revolution when my g-g-g-grandfather died in the Battle of Oriskany.

Give me liberty, or give me death.

I REALLY mean that.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:00 PM
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17. I hear they wan't to microwave us.
Seems like there is nothing left to do but to protest.
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