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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:13 PM
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Who's that knocking on your door?
What is not only upon America, but what has been around for quite some time is what could be called a soft (not always so soft either), suave technocratic form of fascism. It will become increasingly rough as energy supplies diminish accompanied by the inevitable social upheaval.

A simple summation of a highly complex answer is that powerful reactionary forces are consistently poised to suppress those who dare to challenge the tyranny of the de facto aristocracy and corporatocracy. And they have an extraordinary propaganda machine known as the mainstream media to sustain the myth that the United States is a nation governed by and for “We the People”.

One can readily find multiple examples of other governments and nations guilty of heinous crimes against humanity, but with a foreign policy that has resulted in the annihilation of millions of civilians, the United States is as malevolent as some of history’s most despicable empires. And the “bastion of human rights” has a highly questionable track record domestically too. Ask Native Americans and Blacks how their ancestors fared in a nation populated largely by self-professed Christians and ostensibly governed as a constitutional republic.

Holding the reins guiding the world’s sole remaining super-power, the United States’ ruling elite have seized (or perhaps created) a ripe opportunity. Preying on ignorance and fear, they have convinced many amongst the masses to sell their souls for the “security” of fascist and corporate rule.

I believe the phrase is "Save the despair for better times", with an addendum from Huey Long about fascism coming to America wrapped in the flag.

America has never been free unless you were of the landed gentry.

But never mind. Not only are most Americans blissfully unaware of the immense peril they face—thanks to a complicit and soft-pedal corporate media—many of them faithfully support the fascist state, as the German people did before them.

Shirer writes: “The overwhelming majority of Germans did not seem to mind that their personal freedom had been taken away, that so much of culture had been destroyed and replaced with a mindless barbarism…. The Nazi terror in the early years affected the lives of relatively few Germans and a newly arrived observer was somewhat surprised to see that the people of this country did not seem to feel that they were being cowed…. On the contrary, they supported it with genuine enthusiasm. Somehow it imbued them with a new hope and a new confidence and an astonishing faith in the future of their country.”

It will be too late on the day a predatory bureaucrat from the Ministry of Homeland Security steals your land or appropriates your wife—a fate inflicted upon countless bovine vassals by rulers and their henchmen down through the dark shadow of history.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:17 PM
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1. I agree 100%
Read "A History's People of the United States" by Howard Zinn for starters, people.

I intend to fight as long as possible, but have no qualms about fleeing the country when it gets that bad. I will never shut up or surrender, though.

Live free or die.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants'_Revolt
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:33 PM
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2. AMERICAN FASCISM
AMERICAN FASCISM

“American fascism will not be really dangerous until there is a purposeful coalition among the cartelists, the deliberate poisoners of public information, and those who stand for the K.K.K. type of demagoguery.”

-- Henry Wallace, “The Dangers of American Fascism,”
The New York Times, Sunday, April 9, 1944

“Third Worlders see it first,” Buffy St. Marie sang on a recent album.  And the first signs of the rise of Fascism in the U.S. could be seen in Colombia two years ago.

In 2002, Alvaro Uribe, backed by a narco-traffickers, multinational corporations, and unreconstructed Fallangists won Colombia’s presidential election by exploiting middle class fears of guerilla kidnappings and urban car bombings. Uribe immediately launched a harsh crackdown on dissidents, workers, and campesinos, in the name of fighting terrorism and crime and making Colombia safe for investors.  The Bush administration and its fellow travelers at the Miami Herald and similar daily rags praised Uribe for his dedication to imposing order in Colombia, and asserted that his critics were anti-democratic because Uribe was an elected leader. (1)  In response, Hector Mondragon, one of Colombia’s bravest and most insightful social critics, asked,

"Is it not Fascism because there was an election?
Weren't Hitler and Mussolini elected? What was
Hitler's popularity during the Holocaust? This is what
Fascism is like. Fascism is popular. The middle class
loves it. The enemies of the state are being
eliminated. The streets are being cleaned. And the
middle class applauds. The city has never looked so
good. The tourists can say what they said when they
went to Germany in 1937: 'Why do people speak so
poorly of the government? Germany has never been so
beautiful.' Or Colombia.'"

Or the U.S.  What did the Fascist regimes in Italy, Germany, and Spain have in common?   They consisted of a highly militarized state, backed by corporation and a wealthy elite, that rose to power through a false populism that exploited the public’s fear of foreigners and “moral degenerates.”   This precisely defines the formula that Karl Rove designed to consolidate the Bush administration’s power in the recent election.

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2004/11/21/13334/643
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:42 PM
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3. And furthermore,
I think if we saw a list of all the books Karl has been reading, we would see a bunch of biographies of and essays by Goebbels. I am not being sarcastic.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 02:32 AM
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10. you're one sharp knife......you'll like this article:
from Bernays to Goebbels, to.....


Karl Rove & the Spectre of Freud’s Nephew
by Stephen Bender

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/bender2.html

The Triumph of "Turd Blossom"

Karl Rove – given the above nickname by our jocular President – is an extraordinarily keen student of American psychology and history. He is well aware of the back story to contemporary political fixtures like the focus group – a technique innovated by Edward Bernays. Consequently, it doesn’t take too much effort to discern the afterimage of Bernays’s teachings in Bush’s rhetoric.

In Crystallizing Public Opinion, Bernays related how governments and advertisers can "regiment the mind like the military regiments the body." This discipline can be imposed because of "the natural inherent flexibility of individual human nature." He also instructed that the "average citizen is the world’s most efficient censor. His own mind is the greatest barrier between him and the facts. His own ‘logic proof compartments,’ his own absolutism are the obstacles which prevent him from seeing in terms of experience and thought rather than in terms of group reaction."

In addition to what Bernays saw as a widespread individual resistance to reason in public affairs, he contended "physical loneliness is a real terror to the gregarious animal, and that association with the herd causes a feeling of security. In man this fear of loneliness creates a desire for identification with the herd in matters of opinion."

Once within the "herd," the "gregarious animal" still wishes to express his or her opinion. Therefore, the public relations counsel must "appeal to individualism goes closely in hand with other instincts, such as self-display."



and so on........
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:18 AM
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8. American Fascism - more from that article
Pollsters and pundits cited “moral values” as the key issue for majority of Bush supporters in the 2004 election. The “moral values” these voters were talking about were a strict and exaggerated code of masculinity that emphasized men’s control of their own sensual desires and of women’s bodies. Abortion, contraception, and same sex sexual relationships (especially between men) represent deep threats to this “moral” order. This equation of morality with hyper-masculinity also creates a mindset that demands unquestioning support for the military. Civil liberties issues come into play here as well – those who resist controls on their behavior must have some sort of deviant desires that they want to be able to play out freely.

This hyper-masculine order is at the core of Fascism. “Sexual deviants” were among the first targets of the Holocaust. In Colombia, when right wing paramilitaries take over a region they instill fear and establish their dominance by launching “social cleansing” campaigns that target gays, lesbians, prostitutes, street vendors, the homeless and drug users – all people who in some way threaten a “moral” code based on strength and masculine self-control.

Fascism views dissent differently than more subtle, liberal systems of control. Traditionally on a domestic level the U.S. has operated primarily through exercising hegemony – creating the illusion of consensus around a dominant ideology to limit debate by drowning out or marginalizing dissent. If dissent grows too strong, its co-opted through subtle reform. Fascism replaces hegemony with totalitarianism, crushing dissent. Dissidents become the enemy. “You are either with us or against us.”

more-

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2004/11/21/13334/643

I believe this "hyper-masculine order" is also what is keeping us in Iraq. We, as a nation, are too macho to accept that perhaps pulling out would be in the best interest of our country. Our egos will not let us leave.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:03 PM
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4. One more vote please.
To put this on the greatest page.
If you won't recommend it,
at least post the lyrics.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:04 PM
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5. done. k & r (nt)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:47 PM
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6. Is it "Fascism"? Lets take a quick look.
The Republicans have been In Charge of America for 6 years.
Are we beginning to look like a One Party Fascist State?

*Extremist Judges appointed to the High Courts based on Party Loyalty

*Demanding Party Loyalty above National Security (Plame Outing and Coverup)

*Military “PURGED” of commanders loyal to the Country and not the Party

*Special Military Units tasked to "police" citizens

*Citizens encouraged to SPY on their neighbors

*Unrestricted secret governmental SPYING on citizens

*Whitewashes and Cover Ups masquerading as Governmental Investigations

*Secret Prisons where people are "disappeared"

*Dismantling of Individual Protections from Government

*Torture as a National Policy

*Police State Powers Increasing

*One Party Government (No Effective Opposition Party)

*Absurd (OBSCENE) and expanding Military Budgets

*Dismantling of Humanitarian Programs to pay for Military

*Restricting access to information about government

*Restricting access to information contradicting Republican Party ideals (birth control, AIDS).

*Rewriting (forging) scientific data to support Republican Party ideals

*State Controlled Media

*Criminalizing Dissent

*HyperNationalism masquerading as Patriotism

*Emerging SMALL Class of POWERFUL ELITES

*Bogus and unverifiable elections

*Private Police and Security Forces not accountable to the Public.

*Republican Party Secret Police to screen at Bush* appearances

*NO Civilian Control and Oversight of Military

*Highest percentage imprisoned in Western World

*Potemkin Villages for the Press and Red Cross (Iraq and Guantanamo)

*Rampant Historical Revisionism

*Privileges and Access for Republican Party Members Only

*Ruling by Executive Order

*Judiciary controlled by Executive Branch

*Legislative Organs controlled by Executive Branch

*Power Consolidated and Concentrated in One Person

*Government Officials WARNING to be careful what we say

*Controlled and Scripted PUBLIC appearances of Republican Party Officials

*Government encouraging citizens to spy on each other

*Secret files on law abiding citizens

*Manufactured phony State Heroes (Tillman, Lynch)

*State Medals awarded by Cronyism and Republican Party Loyalty, not merit

*Governmental business cloaked I secrecy.

*Government “contracts” awarded in secret to Party Members and Cronies

*Odor of Arrogance and Contempt from Republican Party Officials




I am NOT EQUATING the USA today with Stalinist Russia or other One Party Toltarian States.
I AM saying we are moving in that direction.


Feel free to add to the list or dispute my claims.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:00 AM
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7. I'd say it's beginning to look alot like facism. Everywhere you go.
Take a look at the five and ten. (It's now fucking Allfart) and I can't remember any more of the words.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 02:41 AM
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11. like this?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:53 AM
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12. Yes. Like that, but did the fascists use the Nazi symbol too?
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 04:02 PM
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15.  Stanley Payne's classical general theory of fascism
If we look at Stanley Payne's classical general theory of fascism, we are struck by the increasing similarities with the American model:
A. The Fascist Negations
• Anti-liberalism
• Anti-communism
• Anti-conservatism (though with the understanding that fascist groups . . . more willing to undertake temporary alliances with groups from any other sector, most commonly the right).
B. Ideology and Goals
• Creation of a new nationalist authoritarian state.
• Organization of some new kind of regulated, multi-class, integrated national economic structure.
• The goal of empire.
• Specific espousal of an idealist, voluntarist creed.
• C. Style and Organization
• Emphasis on aesthetic structure . . .stressing romantic and mystical aspects.
• Attempted mass mobilization with militarization of political relationships and style and the goal of a mass party militia.
• Positive evaluation and use of . . .violence.
• Extreme stress on the masculine principle.
• Exaltation of youth.
• Specific tendency toward an authoritarian, charismatic, personal style of command.
American fascism denies affiliation with liberalism, communism, and conservatism. The first two denials are obvious; the third requires a little analysis, but fascism is not conservatism and it takes issue with conservatism's anti-revolutionary stance. Conservatism's libertarian strand, an American staple (think of the recent protestations of Dick Armey, the departing Bob Barr, and the Cato Institute against some of the grossest violations of civil liberties), would not agree with fascism's "nationalist authoritarian state." Reaganite anti-government rhetoric might well have been a precursor to fascism, but Hayekian free market and deregulationist ideology cannot be labeled fascism.

Continuing to look at Payne's list, we note that the goal of "empire," that much proscribed word in official American vocabulary, has found open acceptance over the last year among the fascist vanguard. Voluntarism has been elevated to iconic status in the current American manifestation of fascism. It takes a bit more effort to notice American fascism's "emphasis on aesthetic structure. . .stressing romantic and mystical aspects," but reflection suggests many innovative stylistic emphases. The mass party militia, especially large bands of organized, militarized youth, seems to be missing for now. Violence is glorified for its own sake. The masculine principle has been elevated as the basis of policy-making. Command is authoritarian, charismatic, and personal. It is true that a charismatic leader like Hitler is missing from the scene; but one would have to ask if this is not a redundancy in the American historical context. Perhaps we are a society mobilized by very small degrees of charisma, unlike more informed, impassioned, ideologically committed electorates.

Roger Griffin holds that fascism consists of a series of myths: fascism is anti-liberal, anti-conservative, anti-rational, charismatic, socialist, totalitarian, racist and eclectic. If one wishes to argue that American fascism is by no means socialist, one ought to take a deeper look at National Socialism's conception of socialism. In a sense, America is a socialist society, to the extent that the government is the main driving force behind technology, innovation, and science: the military-industrial-academic complex. National Socialism was comforting to the right-wing capitalists because they believed that socialism was a convenient fiction for the ideology. Nevertheless, fascism's vitalism and holism militate against any facile interpretations of what socialism means. Fascism is eclectic and ready to abandon economic principle for what it perceives as the greater good of the nation. As Sternhell has described it for Germany, fascism in the American synthesis is a cultural rebellion, a revolutionary ideology; totalitarianism is of its very essence. There are more similarities than immediately apparent between Marxism as it was put into practice by the twentieth century communist states, and "socialist" ideology put into practice by the various fascist states.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3127.htm
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:05 AM
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9. I call it a soft-porn dictatorship.
They don't show the fucking, but it is going on. Just not on camera.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:54 AM
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13. SOFT porn? You haven't dug deeply enough.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:18 AM
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14. My phrase
is Soft Technocratic Fascism. But once you're removed from the stage, into the american penal colony-prison system, the gloves come off and their is nothing soft about it.

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