Tuesday, October 03, 2006

ABC says it was Republicans, not Dems, who were its sources for Foley story
by John in DC - 10/03/2006 08:24:00 PM


So much for that defense.



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/03/washington/03media.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/10/abc-says-it-was-republicans-not-dems.html

thanks Kpete.

these thugs never blame themselves and always pin their crimes on someone else.

It has nothing to do with the Dems.

Blowhard! Republican appeaser!

That pig would make me sick everyday. That is, if I tuned in to him, which I never will. I can barely stand Mark Luther on Al Franken. I have no use for dittoheads.

You must have an iron stomach.

They should have been extra vigilant and discovered the scandal on their own. It was Republicans, not Democrats, who brought the issue to the surface, so Republicans are the only ones who can be trusted -- to prevent Republicans from molesting our children.

"Scandal? Oh, dear! What have we done to offend Daddy Dubya?"

You see, to report on Republican scandals would require Democrats to possess a spine.

It seems I need to be less subtle w/ the sarcasm in the future. (Got a few people mad at me on that one.)

Cheers!

Seriously? Vote green party, elect another Republican Pedophile. Have a nice day.

and hidden from you.

know anything about it while the GOP leadership and whoever else knew for over a year or longer and kept it to themselves.

:evilgrin:

They'll deny and discount it, of course.

Silly thought. Really. :dunce:

I find it interesting that the reichbots just can't imagine a Republican trying to protect the minors who work in Congress. It's one thing they seem to get right. After all, out of hundreds of GOP Congresscritters and staffers, how many tattled? Three? Four? I don't blame those tattle-tails for wanting to remain anonymous - it's a career-limiting move to act in defense of minors subject to predation.

Besides, Junior and Dickie probably regarded it as a "leak" of classified information.

Who benefits?

If Dennis Haster gets thrown under the bus? Who rises to leadership of the GOP in the house?

That's a big sacrifice.... for what?

Not since "The Path to 9/11," anyway.

watching someone with their rear wheel in a ice hole keep
gunning the engine. (Sun Belters excused for not knowing
what the hell I'm metaphoring about.) ...or am I analogizing?
crap.

They keep shoveling more snow under the wheels......

Why oh why are we Democrats so conniving and yet so incompetent?



So...I was listening to the Al Franken show today just before it ended and he had a caller or guest who was making the assertion that the Democrats knew about Foley for 3 YEARS but saved it until NOW to use in the 2006 elections...ergo..Foley did the bad thing but it's still all our fault - in short, when in doubt, always blame the Democrat.

So let me get this straight...we Democrats are to blame for this mess because we were "keeping our powder dry" for THREE YEARS and saving this scandal for NOW, the OFF YEAR election instead of holding it for just ONE YEAR and then using it TWO YEARS AGO during the 2004 PRESIDENTIAL election which was ALSO a Congressional election?



Yeah, ok, that makes a lot of sense to me...(but only in a bizarro WingNut world.. )

Why oh why, if we were saving it for election season, didn't we Democrats have the good sense to use it on a PRESIDENTIAL election rather than wasting it on the OFF-YEAR election?

I'm SURE had the tables been turned the Republicans wouldn't have squandered their cards so foolishly - let's just speak hypothetically for a moment:

Suppose a married 50 something Democratic President had been caught fooling around with a 20 something intern he worked with in the White House.

I'm just speaking hypothetically, mind you...

I'm sure the Republicans would not have been so "incompetent" as we've obviously been by holding it back several years and then using it for instance in the 2002 election....instead of a Presidential election year.

I'm sure they would have used it at the next available election opportunity against us.

(This sounds kind of familiar...but I don't know why..)

Please DU'ers, in your great wisdom and experience, explain this bit of Democratic Party "incompetence" to me.

Why did we "waste" this scandal on an off year Congressional election instead of using it in 2004 during a Presidential election when it could have denied Bush a second term?

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Ol' Rush has put himself in a corner again. More! More!

Erm, yeah.

:sarcasm:

"No one acted on the information until last week, and even then, it was a Web site that first posted the exchange. It is not clear who maintains the Weblog, http://stopsexpredators.blogspot.com/ "> stopsexpredators.blogspot.com, which appears to be largely devoted to the Foley scandal."

Which leaves the suggestion that the website that first blogged about Foley's emails was setup specifically for outting him on the Page issue. But apparently there are still some "internet-impaired" individuals working at the Times because if you scroll down toward the bottom of the page, there are a number of posts related to among other things:

* The Gary Condit/Chandra Levy case

* Congressional Corruption!!! (listing several well-known cases of politicians convicted of sexual abuse of minors)

* References and articles concerning "Skinterns In Washington"

* Posts on alledged Jon Benet Ramsey killer, John Mark Karr

* More pedophiles and child abusers:
Mary Kay Letourneau
Richard Allen Davis
Father James Porter
Westley Allan Dodd
Joey Buttafuoco
John Evander Couey

* And a post called "Knowledge Is Safety" with a link to the National Database on Sex Offenders (http://www.nsopr.gov/)

So it doesn't seem to me that the website was setup just to out Mark Foley. It just seems that this is a case where a relatively new blog hit the bigtime with a scoop and the MSM's pissed....

This may signal a critical moment of dissent within the Repuke party.
The pseudo-religious kooks didn't like Foley and probably are the source for the outing. They also don't like Hastert that much. They probably want one of their hardcore Christo-taliban in his place. They are not above blackmail and backstabbing to get their way. I've seen it on the local scale here in Illinois. The nuts have been at war with regular Repuke crooks for some time now. They are even sabotaging the governor's race here since they didn't get their way in the primary.
Beware of these Machiavellian tactics. Things could change by the minute. It is not in our interest to help the dominionist nutjobs in taking full control of the Repuke party.

Only because it's so close to an election, and it's looking like this will affect more than Foley. It doesn't help the born again "Christians" at all if the repukes lose the majority.

I do agree that things can change by the minute, and kkkarl is probably working overtime on that, I just doubt it was to get him replaced - not with the timing.

My guess is someone they've backstabbed, and there's probably a whole list of them. Or, someone who actually is patriotic, and doesn't like the way the administration is running the country into the ground. I'd say my second guess is a long shot, though. This obviously will hurt the party as a whole, which is why I don't believe those nutjobs had anything to do with it - if only due to the timing.

It's a long month between now and election day, but the way it's looking right now, they will not be the majority for much longer. The pretend christians would not want that, they would have waited until after the election IMO.

PT Barnum would have loved you idiots.

Go here: http://www.ultimatesoundarchive.com/sa/play/port_lofi.cfm/sound_iid.26679 and push play

Yay Amy Goodman!

DemocracyNow's Interview with ABC Producer Maddy Sauer

AMY GOODMAN: And how did you get this information?

MADDY SAUER: They were passed to a colleague of mine from a source, not someone from a Democratic campaign, a source on the Hill. And when we talked to Foley's office about those emails, they seemed to know all about them. “It’s no big deal. He is overly friendly. He’s overly engaging. If he’s guilty of anything, that’s all he’s guilty of. He’s very close with the pages. He has worked with the page program for some time.”

(I'm guessing a good-hearted soul in Alexander's office?)

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

I'm pretty sure that is what I heard!

Let them answer. The amusings bushbots blame the Dems for the immorality of the GOP. LMAO.

By BushCo....That is truly criminal to this administration...needed some BIG, BIG smokescreen! Rove got it!!! The Foley shit will pass Rove knows that. Only the hapless Democrats will be grasping for more after it reaches it's peak and fades away as sooooooooo many others of Rove's plants...Rove/Republicans exposed it...because there's really nothing long term there to hurt the republicans, if the republicans are sucessful in saying it was the Dem's who leaked the story right before the election, no sex, just an alcoholic gay man, who quit because he was sending naughty letters to underage pages...He quit, he's in rehab, stop the "gay-bahing" the republicans will scream....and the republicans will point the finger at the Dem's (Usual Rove trick) saying election time slime by the democrat's, even though it was the republicans who leaked it!!!

So it would seem. That's how the "no spin zone" sees it.

Now that the Rethugs don't know they can't trust each other, they'll start acting all crazy-like - this is gonna be kewl.

This seems to have started to come to light with that blog where the emails first appeared. I think the pages who have suffered the abuse got together and decided to out the bastard.

K & R

while the republicans are crying about democrats taking political advantage of the Foley case, keep this in mind ....


In a Pivotal Year, GOP Plans to Get Personal

Millions to Go to Digging Up Dirt on Democrats

By Jim VandeHei and Chris Cillizza
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 10, 2006; Page A01

Republicans are planning to spend the vast majority of their sizable financial war chest over the final 60 days of the campaign attacking Democratic House and Senate candidates over personal issues and local controversies, GOP officials said.

The National Republican Congressional Committee, which this year dispatched a half-dozen operatives to comb through tax, court and other records looking for damaging information on Democratic candidates, plans to spend more than 90 percent of its $50 million-plus advertising budget on what officials described as negative ads.

They've never had anything else to spend their millions on other than stomping on Dems whether it's legitimate "dirt" or not. Rove has never known how to do it any other way.

Same shit, different day.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

I was watching NBC local news this morning, and swear I heard the reporter say that Dennis the Weeble said he wants to know how long the Democrats sat on this, and why they came forward with the information so close to the election. :mad: Dennis the Weeble needs to step aside.

They just can't get past this one, no matter what they do. Bwahahaha!!!


They had better be afraid... very afraid...

I just watched his opponent on C-SPAN...I don't know if there were any internal polls or not? Was Foley in trouble in his re-election bid? I have read that he had wanted to resign but was talked into running again by Republican leadership? Why would they want to run Foley out of the Party? What advantage would they have by planting such a story? Maybe they too smart by half? Maybe they thought they could turn it into a national referendum against "gays"? After all, as Foley was not a "pedophile", he was a "gay" man. It doesn't add up at this time. Come back in a couple of weeks and re-assess...

this election! Oversight PLEASE!!

The unfolding of this is all too perfect. They are burning him for some reason.

see my comment here -> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2299183&mesg_id=2299465

On edit. That's it. I am convinced that this is the October Surprise. The media has been mostly quiet on how they got the conversations. It turns out that it was from the Republicans. They sacrificed one of their own so that the discussions stay on a controllable scandal. No one is talking about Iran, Iraq, the Military Commissions Act or anything.

I expect that the Republicans have dirt on just about everyone in Congress and they create controlled scandals to better control people's attention, like how the royal family in Britain puts out stupid scandals of themselves in the tabloids they own. Perhaps the idea was that Foley's scandal would be less damaging than discussions about the real issues, and they can control the Foley scandal since they have all the evidence. It is probably the case that few people will leave the Republican party over a scandal of "just one bad apple" that has nothing to do with their policies, compared to a case where people starting understanding how bad the Military Commissions Act. This is the October Surprise.

It might be convenient in some ways for Repukes, but with all the dirt-digging activities of their party, I'd bet they would never need to hit their own. Jesus if Bush can wiretap anyone and get emails etc. then KKKarl probably has piles of Democrat dirt already. Even a faux story that's Dem-negative could eat up a few days of MSM to distract from Iranqistanetc. but wouldn't have the negative impact to Repubs. Unless the story leads back to Dems (for real) at some point, I can't see this as a Reich-wing plant.

cross post -> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2308693&mesg_id=2308980

Also, think about these questions: have we been distracted from the major issues? Has Bush himself gotten some approval protection from all this? I think Rove has just dutifully prevented Bush's ratings from plummeting even more. I am in the heart of Bush country and what was really getting to people was the Military Commissions Act. Now those discussions are all gone.

No one questioned how the Foley conversations were saved\recorded
No one questioned who gave the media the conversations
Foly resigns without admitting to the conversations
The Republican Party immediately goes into damage control
More and more lurid conversations come out
The Republicans are revealed to be the ones that supplied the media with the conversations
Now what were the major issues before this scandal? Joe American: "Uh, I don't remember."

i guess it depends on how much the damage can be controlled.
If it were a hetero relationship I'd say it wouldn't hurt much and could take people's eyes off the issues for a while.
But the same-sex aspect makes this a potential bomb. Some freepers are saying it's a one-off issue, not reflective of the party as a whole, blah blah, deny deny deny. But a good number of others are saying things like "what happened to my party," "we've gotten consumed by lust for power or playing to the homosexual agenda." The disappointment is palpable over there.
If KKKarl had thought of this, I would think he'd foresee the problem - how can the party that wants to trounce gay marriage (and implicitly repress homosexuals) have one of their own doing such naughty stuff for so long.
Then again, maybe the predicted reaction is "We got rid of him, so we're back on track."
Tough to judge. But fun to watch!

On Edit:
By the way, the freepers are saying it's the Dems' October Surprise!

No wonder all the neocons objected so strongly when Jefferson's office was raided by the FBI!

This article from 2003 confirms that it was Repuglicans, not dems who outed Foley:

http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid10037.asp

June 26, 2003

Foley's gay rumor spread by press secretary


During a surprising telephone press conference on May 22, U.S. representative Mark Foley charged his Democratic opponents with spreading a rumor that he is gay in an attempt to destroy his bid for the U.S. Senate. But fellow Republican representative Clay Shaw's press secretary has turned out to be the leading culprit. Shortly after an article that outlined her role in spreading the allegations about Foley was published in Roll Call, a newspaper that covers Capitol Hill, Wendy Rosen admitted on Monday that she helped circulate the story.

According to a report in the Orlando Sentinel, Rosen sent an E-mail on May 8 to seven members of Shaw's staff and one former staffer that included an article published in the Broward and Palm Beach counties edition of the alternative weekly newspaper New Times that same day. The article stated that Foley is gay. Rosen said distributing articles that appear in South Florida newspapers to the staff is part of her job and that Shaw expects to be kept abreast of all issues involving Congress that appear in the news media in his district. She blamed the widespread distribution of the E-mail on someone who received it from her and sent it outside the office, "where it took on a life of its own." She said she does not know who that was. Eric Eikenberg, Shaw's chief of staff, has said he was disappointed Rosen had sent the E-mail and that "she's been talked to."

I'm sure they're still be repeating it at FR for weeks.