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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:36 PM
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abcnews.com implying that Foley had rendezvous with page
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/instant_message.html


Foley, who checked into an alcohol rehabilitation facility in Florida, also "reiterates unequivocally that he has never had sexual contact with a minor," Roth said.

But instant messages obtained by ABC News do reveal that Congressman Foley met with an underage page in San Diego, a meeting which they spoke about in an instant message exchange from April, 2003.

Maf54: I miss you lots since san diego.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:38 PM
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1. Minor = individual under 16 years of age
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 11:39 PM by Kagemusha
The pages were over 16, so they weren't minors.

So maybe he was doing them left and right.

Edit: His LAWYER said a minor. And his LAWYER also said, no "inappropriate" sexual contact with minors. (There's appropriate sexual contact?) At any rate, even if Foley would call people under 18, "minors" when chatting on America's Most Wanted, what's to say his lawyer wasn't using the definition under state law, totally getting out of the way of the laws Foley himself sponsored for federal standards?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:42 PM
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3. Semantics - where I live
16 is the age of consent, but you are still a minor until you are 18. Heck, you even have a "junior drivers license" until you are 21 here. When did a minor become someone who had reached the age of 16? Where does that apply? Even felony charges aren't brought on anyone under 18 unless they stipulate that they are charging and trying them as an adult.

So, when did 16 become the new 18?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:55 PM
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13. My point is a lawyer said it, hence it is semantics.
Reading "no inappropriate sexual contact with a minor" as saying he didn't have sexual contact with pages (who are all 16+) is simply wrong, wrong, wrong, and falling for a lawyer's word games.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:59 PM
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18. Depends on where they had sex
If they did it in California then I'm pretty sure the age is still 18. It was when I lived there.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:08 AM
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22. According to this web site, it's still 18
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

Oh ... this could get very interesting! :evilgrin:
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:12 AM
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24. Yes, it could indeed
This shows that they were in CA together. If he did anything sexual to that poor young man in my home state, he's going down!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:12 AM
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23. It's 18 in California
It looks like any federal laws that might have applied were overturned by the Supreme Court. The only one that looks like it might be federal:

"It is forbidden to knowingly persuade, induce, entice, or coerce any individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in prostitution or any criminal sexual activity."

If it's illegal for an 16 year old to consent, I would assume this law would apply.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:13 AM
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25. Very good find
Now we just have to find out if anything improper took place.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:17 AM
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27. It is. nt
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:38 PM
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2. Didn't you get the FUX Nooz memo?
It's OK to bugger kids if you're a repuke.
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Stu DeBeouf Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:43 PM
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4. What's up with ABC?
First the bullshit propaganda piece, now real journaslism? Me confused...
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:00 AM
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19. ABC News vs. ABC Entertainment division?
I guess I'm saying that TV News is an octopus, but not a necessarily a monolith.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:43 PM
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5. definitely
he talks about drinking liquor at his house so they won't get "busted"
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:44 PM
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6. Mm hm curioser and curioser. I like them french fried potaters, mm hmm!
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:46 PM
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7. Oh hell... it's OBVIOUS he's had sex with at least one of the boys!
I suspect he's met up and had sexual contact with more than a few - which is why he resigned so quickly.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:47 PM
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8. Ain't no way there's THAT MUCH SMOKE and no fire. Dude was in Boy Scouts
too, apparently they just purged him from their rolls... wonder if there are any fun stories from there too?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:52 PM
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11. I'll bet there are!
Of course, Foley doing something with consenting peers of his own age is one thing. Preying upon teenaged boys is another. I suspect this is all coming out because one of these boys got tired of his bullshit.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:47 PM
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9. That he's never "followed through" after years and years of this behaviour
is not believable. There are no tantric pedophiles.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:30 AM
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31. "There are no tantric pedophiles."
A sad, yet profound truth.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:33 AM
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32. Yep.
He wouldn't have been so persistent unless his methods had met with success at some point. Predators usually don't stick with failing systems.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:48 PM
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10. Aren't there online sexual predator laws?
I've read about several states enacting some over the years, but don't know the details.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:56 PM
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14. Yes, and Foley had a hand in writing some of them. . .
Glenn Greenwald explores this in depth here:

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/10/various-foley-scandal-items.html#links

and here:

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/09/gop-house-leadership-and-mark-foley.html
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:56 PM
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15. Foley wrote the book on the federal side of it. Well, sponsored the laws
Widely considered a hero crusading against abuse of people under 18, too.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:15 AM
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26. Here's federal laws
I didn't see anything that applied to online only, unless any pictures were sent and boys under 18 sent them. That could qualify as online pornography I suppose.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=218
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:53 PM
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12. poor mark foley
he can't blame clinton for this one--blame the clergy!

and all those drinks

"but...but...i'm just a drunk...i was molested...."

what other fucking excuses can he throw out?

"my father beat me, my mom was mean, i was always grounded, i was sick when we had a family picnic, my dog died when i was very young, i smoked pot when i was twenty, i had toe surgery about ten years ago, BLABLABLA"

SO WHAT?????

no one cares WHY you're such a fucker mark foley.
take responsibility for your dirty illegal actions.
stop blaming everyone else for what you did, you FREAK!
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:56 PM
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16. The legal age of consent in California is 18 not 16
This is really getting interesting.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:58 PM
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17. Or it was when I lived there.
Has it changed?
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:03 AM
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20. It's still 18
http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/gay/consent.htm
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:06 AM
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21. Oh Boy
Here it comes, folks. The Page will talk, and the Catagory 3 Hurricane wll move to a solid 5 for the Republicans...
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:18 AM
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28. can't legally drink a beer? then you are a minor.
Can't drive haz-mat CDL? you are not 'mature' enough- but you're mature enough to have a man older than your father seducing you?

Can't buy a lottery ticket? then your are a 'minor'-

Let's try and apply the definition appropriately- you can't have your cake and eat mine too.:crazy:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:20 AM
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29. K&R
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:20 AM
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30. These IMs indicate solicitation of a minor.
That in itself is a crime.
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