The Ancient Romans took poison.

As did the Egyptians. And disgraced (read: cornered) Nazis.

Mob members took variations of the Roman "solution". Remember Frankie Pentangeli?

What's Foley gonna do?

think about it.

Foley is costing them. Big time.

All of their plans have been disrupted. They were about to launch a massive smear campaign against the Dems. They can hardly do that now. Add to the equation that Foley's seat will most probably go to a Dem, which will effect the balance of power in the House.

Check in to detox and blame the priest.

The full strength, Jonestown stuff. Do us all a favor!

That Foley has even one-tenth the stones of Frankie Five Angels. The guy would scream if you mussed his hair. I don't mean he's effeminate: I mean he's fucking Felix Unger.

*cleaning the wine off my monitor*

:rofl:

If you were big and powerful, and you wanted a boy on the side, who was gonna stop you? The shame was being the one penetrated, not the one doing the penetrating. Getting all worked up about a boy on the side was a Christian invention, long after the ancient Romans had ceased running their own empire.

It's not about boinking young boys.

It's about fucking up the "empire's" plan.

Remember Spartacus? Gracchus became a threat to the empire and was forced to take poison.

Rommel was forced by Hitler to take poison, as he too (Rommel) became a threat to the empire.

Some of these threats come from men with a conscience. But most of them come from careless, hypocritical scumbags like Foley who thought he was untouchable. And he was untouchable, as long as he delivered to the empire. The empire even went so far as to thwart investigations into his behavior.

Foley's a toady who's no longer useful because his vices are no longer secret and he's no longer in office so, he can't be controlled to profitable advantage. Gracchus was a master of the battle of the tongue who was unfit for a battle of the sword, and therefore, found out exactly how little power he really wielded when the person in control of the Empire's real clout of the day, made push come to shove. Your example is of an executive branch leader forcing the leader of the pseudo-democratic opposition to commit suicide for treason in a time of war. I don't see how it applies.

In fact, the only reason that guy (I can't even recall his name offhand) fell from grace in Rome is because the slave revolt got SO big that even his eventual crushing of it was nowhere near sufficient to bring confidence in him back. It'd be as if Al Qaeda marched on Washington D.C. with 200,000 troops and was subsequently wiped out - great, but what the HELL was Al Qaeda doing with 200,000 troops marching on Washington D.C. on American continental soil in the first place!? ...That's a silly hypothetical example but, it's just to illustrate that what did that guy in was military weakness when the whole reason he had a leg up on everyone was the promise of military strength. Failures in the field cracked the foundation of his power.

The possibility of this history repeating itself was grave enough to the Founders that they specifically banned Congress from pronouncing sentence on individual people via a congressional vote and a Presidential signature.

least concept of honour, do they?

So, basically, they were doing hara kiri.

It's not easy to find a good sword nowadays.

the cowards took poison

I'll even lend them to appropriate members of the government, as long as I get them back. Swords are expensive.

You mean Bushco!