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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:33 AM
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ALL PAPER, NO MACHINES: HR 6200, BY KUCINICH IN CONGRESS
ALL PAPER, NO MACHINES: HR 6200, BY KUCINICH IN CONGRESS
by Dennis Kucinich (D) Ohio
Tuesday Oct 3rd, 2006 2:13 PM

It's not who votes that counts.

It's who counts the votes.

ALL PAPER, NO MACHINES ~~ IN CONGRESS !!! : HR 6200, BY KUCINICH


This is quite a stunner: Kucinich has just introduced legislation, HR 6200, to AMEND H.A.V.A and rid us of machines: mandated paper ballots only, hand counted and POSTED at the PRECINCT level, for one and all to see.

This is the whole enchilada for Election Reform, as far as we can tell. It is as close to ideal as anything in our dearest dreams. I had no idea this was being taken that seriously, this early, and this immediately put before Congress, but thought it was farther off on the horizon. Even if the Republicans shoot it down in bogus fashion, it forces their hand, at a time when they are busy contending with their damage control, and puts this one and only true reform of voting on the map. Apparently some of our reps have been listening to us. There are also some of the people in our voting groups in Ohio, elsewhere., not all, but we have been fighting a lot of the others for two and a half years now, to get this on the front burner. All Paper, all People counted, all Posted at the Precinct level, with full access to participation by public and neutral observers.

exactly, point for point, what my article was about two months ago at http://www.opednews.com . In each key detail. Of course, the writer ~ Mark Crispin Miller ~~ whose post was the object of my commentary, is at the Cleveland conference and a key speaker there this week, with several other allies of ours, and our people are taking this battle directly to them. Kucinich attended it, at Tri-C College, near my Union HQ, since that is Dennis' district, and the email below reflects much of the excitement and encouragement after Kucinich's speech. Following Lynn Landes' trailblazing work on this subject, and her unsuccessful but valiant court battle to ban machines, finally dismissed by the U.S. Supreme Court, we also have been carrying that torch, insisting this all Paper and People voting process is the ONLY way we can secure our election integrity, and that was after studying the way Canada has been doing it for quite some time, just like this, all the official Canadian documents, links, are posted at http://www.banvotingmachines.org, Landes' site of key research. ( Interesting too, when I spoke to Kucinich, tete-a-tete, three years ago at Laguna Woods Clubhouse 3, across the street from our family bungalow there, I pointedly asked him about voting fraud, and all he said was, "I'm supporting paper trails," and then kind of blew me off, capping an otherwise friendly five minute schmooze. But now he's finally plugging, with John Conyers, McKinney, Maxine Waters, et al., the ONE thing we've been asking for, since then, these last two years, and more: All Paper and People Process, and this would solve our election problems, at least the voting integrity part of it. ) Fraud will always be an issue, in the ol' U.S. of A. ( or as Garrison Keillor called them recently, The United Corporations of America ) but this proposed legislation is the equivalent of Ivory Soap, at least as far as the visible process goes: 99.44% pure................

For all of us who have left our other lives years ago, to focus on this, this has to be hyper-ventilatingly exciting. Yes, Virginia, I think, this time, I WILL....hold my breath! ~JE


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2269919


When convenient, please read this important info below:

Additional info, on co-sponsors of HR 6200 ( this is the original email Rady Ananda sent me: she's tops, and I've known her for over a year ~~ she was one person, besides my radio host friend, Jim Hogue most interested in my concept for a "People's Intelligence Agency" to deconstruct, de-centralize, Central Intelligence, globally, and said she shared it at the Oregon Conference last year ). In email below to our hand counted paper ballot group today, she shares her elation:

MORE >>>>
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/10/03/18317658.php
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Red Right and BLUE Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:34 AM
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1. Proud to be the 1st Rec.
This is amazing stuff. Just in time, I have pride in my leadership.
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:41 PM
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19. We also need vote by mail and counted paper ballots by civil servants
The vote by mail prevents Republicans from using ballot security challengers and also police roadblocks in the south. When you vote by mail noone can tell the color of your skin and a civil servant prevents groups of republicans from destroying or challenging votes from certain areas.

Registration of voters by civil servants and couting votes by civil servants prevents companies aligned with Republicans from removing thousands of democrats from voter rolls and prevents Republicans from corrupting the vote counting process.

You can have paper votes but if you still have Republicans in control of the vote counting and voter registration and if you don't have vote by mail you get ballot security squads and choicepoint removing democrats from the voter rolls.

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:36 AM
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2. excellent news. step one at least nt
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:39 AM
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3. I've been after the Kooch for years about this - HE WAS LISTENING!
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Red Right and BLUE Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:40 AM
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4. May I pass your post around? eom
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:56 AM
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10. Please!
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:40 AM
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5. Awesome! Recommended n/t
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:41 AM
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6. Mighty KICK!
:woohoo:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:49 AM
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7. Ok, but let's see if it makes a fair showing.
I am not expecting it to pass in this congress. But maybe with a regime change in Congress...if it gets a respectable showing on this go 'round.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:52 AM
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9. there isnt a chance in hell it will pass till we get a majority in both
houses and a president to sign it.. the bill is the death knel for the GOP.. they cant win a fair election
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:24 AM
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12. Well unless we have a fair election we won't win those houses back
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:51 AM
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8. its our only hope for Democracy to survive, GOP plans on stealing 3 millio
votes to win the next election and maintain control.. that is twice what the stold last election

if we cant get total paper we will end up in a brutal Kissenger/Negraponte/Chilean government..
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:23 AM
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11. Paper ballots. Hand counted by little old ladies from my neighborhood.
...so to speak. That is how I have been putting it for several years now in my personal advocacy for paper ballots.

I had given up on ever getting what this bill provides!

There seemed to be an absolute, insurmountable, practically god-ordained presumption from nearly everybody that machines just have to be involved - and that "fixing" the machines is what is needed.

This is the whole enchilada!

:party:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:43 AM
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13. I love enchiladas!
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 07:44 PM
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14. For President only, not House or Senate races
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 07:45 PM
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15. The bill has my full support.
:bounce:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:27 PM
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16. K&R n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:14 PM
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17. K & R for Transparent Democracy nm
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:31 PM
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18. Uber-kick. Uber-rec. Uber-Happy.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:53 PM
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20. thanks you!!
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 01:24 AM
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21. kicking
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