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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:34 AM
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You gotta know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em...
Everything has a lifespan - people, corporations, trees, and news stories. Each will reach a point of diminishing returns. I say this in regards to the Mark Foley story. There are few people in America that have not heard about this story and that have not yet formed an opinion. Once their opinions are formed, it is difficult to change them.

Democrats will need to know when to back off on this story and to go back to the story that people truly vote upon - national security. Just as Mr Bush said yesterday that the people could not "trust" Democrats to protect this country. His inside people are telling him that "national security" is the issue on which Democrats are very weak. That is the meme they want to plant in every American's mind.
Democrats need to counter Mr Bush and the Republican's claim of superiority on the "national security" issue. The facts belie their deeds.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:39 AM
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1. Have the Democrats really made much of an issue of this?
They seem to be letting it play out and not commenting much on the matter, other than to say they are disgusted by the whole mess.

The MSM has piled on because of the nature of the scandal.

:shrug:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:42 AM
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3. I think you are right...
and that is the right way to handle it at this time. However, they cannot let the Repubs morph this into an "anti-gay" issue. They would need to respond in that case.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:23 AM
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6. That's what bothers me about this.
They are trying to put those two issues together.

Great read from the Plaid Adder on this...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2307891

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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:39 AM
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2. new meme: people can not "trust" Republicans with their kids
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:50 AM
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4. Democrats have been on the sideline long enough
I disagree completely with your point. It's high time Democrats start taking control of the issues and framing them their own way. The Foley debacle is a big fat fastball for the Democrats to hit out of the park. Like the Dem strategist said on MSNBC the other night - the GOP is a party of criminals and pedophiles!

Bush can call Democrats weak all he wants...he has the bully pulpit. The words coming out of every Democrat on TV in the next month should be "You can't trust Republicans to protect teenage pages in Washington, how can you trust them with national security?"
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:27 AM
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7. And then...
the debate returns to Clinton and Monica and the same old re-hash... My point is that Democrats simply need to know when this issue has "maximized" and not lose ground once it has been won. And this has been bad for Repubs and good for the Democrats as an issue, no doubt.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:25 PM
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10. only if we allow it
all the GOP has left is to rehash Clinton and Monica. They have no defense for their own incomptence so they divert as they always do, all with the complicit aid of the media. Democrats need to be out and loud about this and not let up....voters need to know the GOP leadership in Congress would rather spend time, money and resources on protecting a pedophile than investigating corruption in Iraq (just to mention one of a thousand priorities).
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:56 AM
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5. By all means let's let them up off the floor.
They would do the same for us. It is the polite thing to do.


Excuse me I have to throw up now.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:31 AM
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8. the cnn and msnbc homepages are trying to forget the story already
but they've kept bush's nonsequitor that 'dems can't be trusted' in a prominent display position.

and fox is trying to make foley appear like he's a Democrat.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:36 AM
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9. Iraq will still be there when Foley is gone....
that is a fact.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 01:37 PM
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11. so true.
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