Very good advice from a former DUer:

He was talking about the Gannon/Guckert revelation at the time but this definitely applies now with the Mark Foley situation. Don't you agree?

thinking TIA, benburch, and especially Walt.
We could sure use them back. They were significant contributors to our community.
Wish the mods would listen to this plea.

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They should be here right now, posting great threads like they used to.

He quit DEM politics as a result of the cowards who refused to filibuster Allito.

I was very close to following him.

He is missed. And I hope you stay.:hug:

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Saw a diary of his just this morning.

...despite constant let downs from our "leadership."

I wish him the best either way.

easily.:shrug:

And I hate the color scheme!

What the hell is a "diary?"

I went in that afternoon and took my name off the Democratic files. Lots of us were disgusted. I am glad you are still here.

Sorry he left, but people move on in real life, too.

I was active at www.pdxradio.com and talked radio and politics for about a year before coming over to the DU.

Sounds like a good obituary for anyone -- although he's not dead, he's gone -- but not forgotten!

And then pound it SOME MORE. We have to do it on the front lines and in the trenches, because we don't have that nice, convenient echo chamber of hate radio and Pox "news" to advance it and repeat and catapult the propaganda for us. WE have to do it.

It needs to be said, read, and SPREAD.

And as Dr. Fate would say - make sure you add "...makes you wonder WHAT ELSE they're covering up..."

Besides - figure it this way: our letting it drop is exactly what the bad guys hope we'll do. Whatever they want us to do we should do PRECISELY the opposite.

every time a war monger drove by and said anything hostile, I yelled back "pedophile". :)

I can't understand all the people on this board saying we should move on. This is what Mr. and Mrs. Sixpack understand. Pedophilia = Bad. Tar and feather every Republican possible for as long as possible. Gawd knows they've done it to us for much, much lesser offenses.

this post to our attention. This is much worse than the blue dress.

and so have a lot of others. The Clinton story blew up because of sex. Same with Foley.

No, we cant. Which is the point of the OP.

Sure- all of us good activists on the ground speak up daily- the OP invites house-hold named DEMS with media access to do the same- or even more.

All of you DUers who expect the media to keep this alive without DEMS keeping it the echo chamber- you need to look back on the Gannon story that died in the water.

Walt is right- I wish the cowardly pro Allito, anti-Filibuster DEMS had not drove him and others away from DEM activism.

i miss walt... didn't always agree... but i totally miss him.

There is so much gay sex and pedophilia in the Republick Party, that I bet they'll announce their party's selection of a presidential candidate in 2008 by sending colored smoke up a chimney.

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remember Abramoff hookers&CIA scandal? Barely. So do I.

Last time I checked, those DEMS can get on TV pretty easily- we see at least one of them every week.

The media would not have been able to cover-up any scandal mentioned in this thread if, as the OP suggests, ALL DEMS with media access had kept discussing the facts on TV and injecting them into the echo chamber.

maybe Nancy Grace, maybe Larry King Live--and he kept saying the Dems need to be careful not to make this a partisan issue. I had to change channels before I put something through my TV screen.

Just when I read that I realized I haven't seen his posts. There are so many good writers on DU..it's hard to keep track.

He posts over at DailyKos, or somebody using his name does.

As somebody said above, I think it was his anger over not filibustering Alito.

fault that alito wasn't filibustered.

Anyway, I wish him well.

when Will Rogers first said it... and, it's still true today.

I'm guessing he was angry at:
1) People on DU who defended the decision not to filibuster, or,
2) Democrats in general, so he asked to be tombstoned from "democratic" underground.

1) They focused on the one scandal out there at a time.

2) Every day, literally, there is something new to get outraged about from Team Bush & his rubberstamp Congress (Remember the Ehime Maru? How about the new flyers at the Grand Canyon that said it was created by Noah's Flood? Bush slipping in the mud of Crawford when it hadn't rained there in 9 days?)

3) They have a much greater ability to get their message out than we do - If something hits Limbaugh at noon, it then makes all the other hate radio that day, then it's in Fox News & CNN that night, the Washington Times & NY Post the next morning, and presto it makes the "mainstream" media and is soon in the NY Times, the network evening news, etc

It tooks us weeks - thousands of emails and letters to the editor, petition drives, phone calls, etc. to get some media coverage of the Downing Street Memo.

Same thing when you compare "The Reagans" to "Path to 9/11" - one inaccurate line in the Reagans spelled doom for that miniseries... yet, Path was full of lies and still aired.

lot harder cause they have a built in corporate megaphone system(how easy for them). But, we have a lot more at stake then the heartless greedy basterts.

If they are being denied equal access from TV news interview shows, I have yet to hear them make that charge.

Why?

If they are being denied access and yet they refuse to SAY that is the case, then I see 2 problems, not one.

Prove me wrong- show me the multiple TV clips where Hillary, Kerry, Dean, Obama, Reid, etc made the DSM a top issue.

I recall that we all watched each interview during that time, waitng for some top DEM to say something, anything, about the DMS- it was barely even brought up by our leadership- certainly not hammered at like "Monica", etc

As I recall, the DEM strategists called it "old news" and claimed that "this kind of talk makes us look weak on defense"

The OP is right- if top, household name DEMs would go on TV and repeat, repeat, repeat, facts about GOP scandals, the meida would have a harder time ignoring them.

No one is stopping top, household name DEMS with media access from discussing ANY scandal mentioned in this thread- whcih is the OP's point.

We definitely need more coordination in our talking points, but, was all that information available to our leaders in Congress? Sometimes, I think these folks live in something of a bubble.

They should have been informed on the topic, but it took us months just to get Conyers to hold a hearing in the basement. Did Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, etc know the details of the DSM from day 1?

Yes- they knew about it. They have "Google" on their computers as does the average DUer. They knew about it enought to say it was "old news" and that it would "make us look weak on defense" to make it an issue.

They knew about it enough to make vague references to it to the internet only activists/choir- but rarely or never in TV interviews.

Stop making excuses- WE knew about it, the foreign press knew about it- DEMS refused to discuss it b/c they were following a misguided strategy or they were too frightened to start a fight with the GOP/media.

Walt didn't put me up to this. I was searching for one of my old threads and came across this one and thought it would be a good idea to re-post it.

They don't call it a wurlitzer for nothing.

The Repubs own the media, sure, but I have NEVER heard Dean, Hillary, Kerry, Obama, Reid, etc say that they were denied access to a TV interview show, or that they were ordered NOT to discuss various issues or scandals while on those shows.

Have you?

That is the OPs point- and it is valid.

Or an appearance on a debate show.

Show me where he claimed he was told by a TV host or programmer not to talk about certain issues or GOP scandals.

Show me where ANY top, elected DEM has made this claim.

Just so I could provide a link to anyone who might've missed it in real time? Don't think so, but feel free to not take my word for it, I don't mind. As I won't take yours.

Like I said: we disagree.

"Disagree" means we both look at the facts and have different opinions, predictions, etc based on those facts.

You have not presented any facts that back up your assertion that Dean or other top Democrats makes these claims about access to Cable TV interview shows.

If you are having trouble finding a link of them talking about this, then that just shows how LITTLE they adress media bias- thus proving my point and taking away your excuse.

The facts are that Kerry, Dean, hillary, Obama, etc are on TV interview shows quite often. The facts are also that no one has yet to point me to a quote of any of them claiming to be denied access to or censored on a TV interview show.

Can you google & then post what you are talking about, for all to see?

And while I think that the All is fair political strategy may be successful, I do not think it is ideal. We can do better.

ps-
I remember once Walt Star posted an OP that proved that w. had used photos of himself in uniform with unearned medals visible. An awesome OP.

Those two words need to be repeated millions, no, billions of times. Until they're forever cemented in the American consciousness.

Some people never learn.

Don

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