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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:45 PM
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Pope: All aborted babies are sent straight to heaven by their mother
Pope is doing away with "Limbo." Aborted babies are going straight to heaven. Wouldn't this make it hard for a Christian to feel sorry for an aborted baby?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2387589,00.html

This week a 30-strong Vatican international commission of theologians, which has been examining limbo, began its final deliberations. Vatican sources said it had concluded that all children who die do so in the expectation of “the universal salvation of God” and the “mediation of Christ”, whether baptised or not.

The theologians’ finding is that God wishes all souls to be saved, and that the souls of unbaptised children are entrusted to a “merciful God” whose ways of ensuring salvation cannot be known. “In effect, this means that all children who die go to Heaven,” one source said.

The commission’s conclusions will be approved formally by the Pope on Friday.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:46 PM
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1. Where Zeus welcomes them with open arms.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:53 PM
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18. and Odin kisses them on the foehead
Then Siva teaches them to dance.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:46 PM
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2. So, basically, abortion has just been approved?
Because, obviously, God is okay with it.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:23 PM
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30. But the mothers go
straight to the lake of fire.:sarcasm:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:47 PM
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3. That's a shocking decision
I wonder if they will address abortion directly - or just leave it at that.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:47 PM
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This is interesting...
What about 'original sin'?

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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:48 PM
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7. guess you don't get that
unless you pass thru the birth canal.

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:50 PM
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15. How strange...
Yet, there has never been much consensus on the rulings handed down.

:crazy:

Makes my head spin... Wait, I'm only talking figuratively here.

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:47 PM
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4. Catholics haven't believed in limbo for years.
This is very odd to me. I work with a lot of Catholic theologians and the word has been for over a decade at the very least that limbo was an outdated idea.

Maybe this is finally putting a permanent lid on it?
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:49 PM
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12. it was still part of the official canon
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:57 PM
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23. Limbo was closed due to budget cutbacks
n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:19 PM
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29. No one believed (pretty much), but it was still part of the canon
It no longer is.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:47 PM
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5. Well then lets all have abortions.
Ladies, if you don't have abortions, your baby could go to hell. According to the Pope.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:47 PM
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6. so that means baptism is rendered useless.
why bother.


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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:48 PM
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9. Sort of like voting?
Sheesh.

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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:55 PM
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22. Baptism only matters for those who lived long enough
to acquire sins of their own, apparently. Maybe the Catholic Church will move towards the idea of adult baptism. That would be ironic, given all the people they killed defending the idea of infant baptism.
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:48 PM
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8. heaven
i have never understood this. Most xtian religions believe that babies, etc go straight to heaven. So what is their objection to abortions? the babes get to bypass the horrible life on earth, and go straight
to their everlasting reward. I am glad the pope has decided that limbo is a dumb idea.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:48 PM
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10. so do they just vote on this shit, or what?
:shrug:
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:49 PM
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11. pretty much.
Or the pope gives a directive.
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nickyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:54 PM
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20. beHAVE, arcane!!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:49 PM
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13. I thought everybody was born in sin?
How can you be sin-free if you were conceived by people born in sin?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:51 PM
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but they are not born. Guess that means they approve?
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:53 PM
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19. No, they have a right to life according to the Catholic Hierarchy
If they are considered the same as all the rest of us who aren't in a womb, the right to life that is, then how come they get the exemption and not us?
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:49 PM
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14. Adults currently in limbo who died before 33 A.D. are screwed
They have to wait for another TWO THOUSAND YEARS - maybe?
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:51 PM
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16. But, what I don't get is this. If all Popes (and other heads of churches)
are under direct guidance from God, then how can dogma be changed? Isn't that anti-conservative?
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:51 PM
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17. Are they exempt from "Original Sin"?
Or is that only for those who make it to birth? Weird shit this religion.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:27 PM
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32. see 31
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:54 PM
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21. VatEx?
"Vatican Express"
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:58 PM
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24. Hey, Fundies! Save your baby from hell! Get an abortion, Now! nt
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:04 PM
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25. Isn't religion the oddest thing?
Fascinating really.

A group of theologians has concluded that it is God's wish that all souls be saved, and the souls of unbaptized children are entrusted to a merciful god.

Well, whew! That's a relief! Good thing that an omniscient being cleared that up through special revelation to the group of theologians. Of course, at the age of 18, forget about any special mercy I guess. Is 18 the divine cut off of childhood like it is in the US? I guess that would make sense. If a child hasn't figured out what the one true religion is by that time, then it sucks for him or her!

Honestly, religion is amazing. Simply amazing.

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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:06 PM
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26. Wouldn't that be an argument in favor of abortion?
Given that a substantial proportion of adults are doomed to Hell (what proportion depends on your belief system) then wouldn't it be best to hedge your bets and do the thing that will absolutely guarantee your child a place in Heaven? If I believed in this sort of thing, my number one priority would be to ensure that my children didn't end up spending an eternity in torment.

This is what Andrea Yates was trying to do, I think. It makes some kind of sense in the context of that belief system. It does seem like sort of a dangerous idea to perpetuate, and that it would seem to undermine their stance opposing abortion.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:10 PM
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27. What about the moms?
Do they go to or do they go to hell? If hell, how will the babies feel about this in heaven? I don't think I'd be happy knowing that mom is burning in hell for an eternity.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:17 PM
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28. So much for the line about "He will return to judge the quick and the dead
Now the Pope has decided to take over that job.

Wonder if he's going to get a raise so he can buy some more cool looking shoes?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:26 PM
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31. Hmmm, unbaptized, conceived with original sin, I'd have gone the other...
way with that one. Elect me Pope and I shall declare that all aborted infants go straight to hell.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:32 PM
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33. Okay. Let me get this straight. Fertilized egg, 1 second after conception
equals "soul".

Unfertilized egg and sperm, one second before conception= "nothing".

Zounds!

And again, it proves what phony "pro-lifers" the Vatican are-- at least until they come out on the horror and carnage of the Preconceived Babies.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:35 PM
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34. Has Mother Goose weighed in on this????..jeeeeeeeeezz
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