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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:36 PM
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Liberal Church Sued by IRS...the latest
All Saints Church in Pasadena, CA has been sued by the IRS, who is claiming that a sermon given by a guest lector in October 2004 violated IRS regulations regarding the endorsement of a political candidate by a tax-exempt organization. The IRS has threatened to revoke the church's tax-exempt status.

I attend the church and am on their mailing list. This is the latest information they have sent out to their parish:

On September 15, the IRS served All Saints with two summonses--the first, seeking a wide range of documents concerning the October 2004 sermon of George Regas; and the second, the testimony of Ed Bacon about those documents and our policies against campaign intervention. In considering what our appropriate response to the summonses should be, the Vestry and Ed listened to the wise counsel of our parishioners and many of our friends and supporters from outside of our parish, consulted with our legal counsel and clergy staff, and prayerfully considered our two options--compliance now or challenging the summonses first. On September 21, the Vestry voted unanimously to challenge legally, and in a court of law, the right of the IRS to proceed with either of these two summonses.

We made this decision not because we have anything to hide: Indeed, we have reviewed the most relevant of the many documents that the IRS has summoned and believe that they fully support our position that we have always been mindful of the IRS regulations against campaign intervention, respect those regulations, take steps to ensure compliance and have always been in compliance. We believe that All Saints has not engaged in campaign intervention on behalf of any particular candidate or party--not in October 2004 nor at any other time.

Rather, we made this decision because of our belief that these summonses intolerably infringe upon our Constitutional rights and the IRS regulations that embody those principles--namely, the First Amendment rights of our church to speak and worship freely--rights we see as indispensable to our core mission, as well as to that of other faith communities throughout the country.

More available here: http://www.allsaints-pas.org/saintsalive/aSA-061008a.pdf

Background, including text of the sermon in question available here: http://www.allsaints-pas.org/all_saints_church.htm
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:38 PM
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1. Please keep us informed.
This has been posted a few times as it developed. I can't believe that after all the campaigning the republicans did, quite blatantly, through right-wing churches the IRS is going after a liberal church for an anti-war sermon.
:grr:
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:40 PM
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2. Annoying, isn't it?
Particularly since the church was originally bothered by the IRS last year, but then didn't hear anything more until 2 months before another election.

But I'm sure the timing was just a coincidence. :sarcasm:

I will definitely keep you updated.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:42 PM
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3. Thank you! nt
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:42 PM
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4. If churches can preach "Vote Republican; vote Bush"...
... all while proteced by, "We have a fundamental right to preach our beliefs and to inform parishoners about politicians who support those beliefs", I fail to see how other churches do not have a right to do the same thing.

Don't give up, and thanks for keeping us informed.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:45 PM
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5. Should it get that far before they back down, here's to the 9th circuit!
:toast:
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:46 PM
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6. Yes, there is that
at least we're in the "activist" circuit! ;)

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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:30 PM
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7. .
:kick:
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 07:01 PM
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8. Bradley Whitford (West Wing & Studio 60) attends this church also
Edited on Wed Oct-04-06 07:02 PM by ms liberty
He mentioned it on Bill Maher week before last when he was on.


edited to add: thanks for keeping us informed - this is an important story.
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 07:45 PM
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9. Yes, that he does...
he also posted on HuffPost about it when they were originally contacted by the IRS.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 09:12 AM
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10. Interesting...
that christians need to be told, over and over and over again, what it means to be a christian. You'd have thought the clergy would have convinced them by now if christianity was a true religion.
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 01:55 PM
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13. Excuse me?
What the hell does that have to do with a church being sued by the IRS?

Take your anti-Christian bullshit elsewhere.

Thanks.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 09:19 AM
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11. Wow.

This news needs to get out. If they start busting "Liberal" churches, then guess who is next? If the right sets the precedent then look out. They better have those BBV machines locked down, because if we get in control then its time to pay the fiddler.
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E-Z-B Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 09:22 AM
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12. I still don't get why they haven't gone after the NC church that
expelled all democratic members.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 04:12 PM
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14. The IRS ought to tax every church in America
to finance the Iraq war.
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 04:35 PM
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15. Great idea
if, of course, you don't mind shitting on the Constitution. :eyes:
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 04:36 PM
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16. this one needs to have their tax status reversed
Edited on Thu Oct-05-06 04:37 PM by greenbriar
Heritage Baptist Church 2490 SE Melalueca Blvd. PSL, FL 34952


http://www.heritagebaptistpsl.com/gpage1.html
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