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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:22 PM
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They christened an aircraft carrier after a pilot who abandoned his crew.
NEWPORT NEWS, Va. (AP) - Spraying the bubbles from sparkling wine across the enormous gray bow of the USS George H.W. Bush, the Bush family on Saturday christened the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier named after the 82-year-old former president.

"I know you join me in saying to our father, President Bush, your ship has come in," the current president said during a ceremony for the last of the Nimitz-class carriers, the CVN 77.

"She is unrelenting, she is unshakable, she is unyielding, she is unstoppable," Bush said, lauding the warship's state-of-the-art design before pausing for a punch line aimed at his mother's well-known steely constitution. "As a matter of fact, probably should have been named the Barbara Bush."

The elder Bush, a decorated Navy pilot in World War II, joined the armed forces on his 18th birthday, June 12, 1942. "After our nation was attacked at Pearl Harbor, you simply couldn't find anyone who wasn't anxious to sign up," he told the audience as a heavy rain fell.

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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:30 PM
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1. Sickening isn't it
Orwellian in the extreme.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:43 PM
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8. DUCK AND COVER!!!
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:51 AM
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23. Good pic
only missing one thing...




The "Jolly Roger"
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:32 PM
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2. my question is why now?? why was it christened today..it won't be
ready or completed until 2008..i saw it this morn on MSNBC..and i kept asking the tv why now?? another diversion..yep..you bet!!

this ship will not be completed until 2008!!!!!!!!!

who christens a ship 2 years before it is completed??

just asking,,but i always thought you christened a ship when it was completed..

and ready to sail...

maybe that is not so with military ships..does anyone know??

fly
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:35 PM
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5. No, ships are christened when the hull is completed.
They sit in drydock until they are capable of floating, then they are christened and the final construction is done while the vessel is afloat. Drydock time is very expensive, so shipbuilders like to get their boats in the water as soon as possible. Most big ships take a couple of years to finish, after they've been christened.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:46 PM
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21. thanks for the answer...
but is that just typical of military ships??

i have been to crusie ship christening and they do that just before inaugeral cruise..

thanks for your answer!!

fly
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:32 AM
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26. I think that public christenings of cruise ships...
...are PR exercises aimed at making the first cruise passengers feel like they're in at the beginning. Most christenings occur in shipyards, where the public generally aren't allowed, so I wouldn't be surprised if the cruise industry has come up with a 'pre-cruise christening' as a way of selling some initial maiden voyage tickets.

If you look at video or film footage of christenings from the past (way back to early movies of the 'Titanic' and 'Lusitania') the ships slide into the water with nothing above deck but the stubs of the smokestacks.
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tinymontgomery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:36 AM
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34. Commissioning is what
is done when the ship is ready to go to the fleet and start working.
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rusty_parts2001 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:33 PM
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3. Another true story of a Bush, lost to the fog of time
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:33 PM
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4. I'm really happy * said...
"she is unrelenting, she is unshakable, she is unyielding, she is unstoppable." The sea reserves special punishment for those who claim their vessels are 'unsinkable.' Just ask the captain of the Titanic. I predict this thing will founder during sea trials. Here's hoping.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 10:02 PM
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14. I'd hate to be a fucking sailor on that boat! Enemy would want to
sink it above all others. Icky boat.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:33 AM
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27. Yep, that's the one to aim for, all right.
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 02:34 AM by Kutjara
Any sailor assigned to that one should signoff on immediate long-term sickleave.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:38 PM
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6. More...
AND THEN IN 1992, BLUMENTHAL TRASHED BUSH'S WAR RECORD

Continuing on our theme of, "Hey, why is there only outrage when someone questions a Democrat's war record?" we turn back to the archives of the New Republic. Thanks to some assistance from Dorothy McCartney, we blow off the dust of the October 12, 1992 New Republic (sorry, not online).

A familiar name, Sidney Blumenthal, is examining President George Herbert Walker Bush's war record. This is a long excerpt, with a few of Blumenthals' extraneous thoughts about Clinton, Vietnam, and Bush on the campaign trial omitted:

Since the first day of the Republican convention there has been no issue emphasized more by the Republicans than Bill Clinton's draft record... From August 25 to September 21 the Bush-Quayle campaign fired off eighteen press releases attacking Clinton on the draft. The issue also points to... deeply troubling feelings from his past that Bush has wished to submerge for five decades.

George Bush was a 17-year-old student at Phillips Academy in Andover when Pearl Harbor was bombed. He wanted to join the military at once. Secretary of War Henry Stimson, the president of the prep school's board of trustees and a friend of Prescott Bush, delivered a speech to the students urging them to remain in school. George's parents and teachers persuaded him to graduate, but immediately afterward he enlisted in the Naval Air Corps, becoming one of the youngest pilots. "I couldn't wait for my 18th birthday," he told U.S. News & Wolrd Report in 1987. He was trained to fly a new torpedo bomber, the Avenger, which was specially built to make emergency landings on water. Bush's base was the San Jacinto aircraft carrier, from where he made many runs. Indeed, his plane was hit once, and he made a successful water landing. The Avenger proved itself seaworthy enough for the three crew members to paddle in a raft to a rescuing destroyer, singing "Over the Bounding Main."

On September 2, 1944 - the day Bush experienced what he has called "the most dramatic individual moment of my life" - he flew off the San Jacinto in a squadron attack on a Japanese radio installation on Chichi Jima island. While approaching the target, his plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire. What followed is subject to disputed accounts and may never be truly known. Yet, over time, it has become the center of Bush's political legend as the hero-pilot, a commander in chief in whom we trust. According to the intelligence report approved sometime later by the squadron leader (it was oddly undated), Bush's plane was enveloped in "smoke and flames," and "Bush and one other person were seen to bail out... Bush's chute opened and he landed safely in water... The chute of the other person ... who bailed out did not open." The plane crashed into the sea and sank. Both John Delaney and Ted White were reported missing in action, presumed dead. The report added a cautionary note: "Bush has not yet been returned to squadron by rescue sub, so this information is incomplete."

The confidential log of the USS Finback, the sub that picked up Bush, recorded on the day of the incident that at 11:56 a.m. Bush "stated that he failed to see his crew's parachutes and believed they had jumped when plane was still over Chichi Jima, or they had gone down with plane." At 4:20 that afternoon, the Finback picked up another downed pilot, James Beckman, who, according to the log, "stated that it was known that only one mail had parachuted from Bush's plane" - namely Bush. The log concluded: "This decided us to discontinue any further search of that area...."

Bush spent eight weeks on the submarine before being reunited with his squadron. Back in the Ready Room on the San Jacinto, he sought out Chester Mierzejewski, who had been the tail gunner on the plane just ahead of Bush's when it had been hit - the man with the clearest view, only 100 feet away.

Mierzejewski had been particularly close to Delaney. And Bush seemed to want to answer the agonizing unasked questions: Why didn't he make a water landing? Why was he the only one to jump? Did he panic? "Look," Mierzejewski told me Bush said to him, "I'm sure the two of them in the back were dead. I called them three times and got no answer." (Given the construction of the Avenger, it was impossible for the pilot, shielded by an armor plate, to see the crew; the only communication would have been by radio.)

Bush was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for his action at Chichi Jima, but he evidently was filled with the remorse of the survivor. "You mention in your letter that you would like to help me in some way," wrote Mary Jane Delaney, the sister of one of those killed. "There is a way, and that is to stop thinking you are in any way responsible for your plane accident and what has happened to your men." (The letter is published in Flight of the Avenger: George Bush at War by Joe Hyams.) "I try to think about it as little as possible, yet I cannot get the thought of those two out of my mind," Bush wrote to his parents - a letter he cites in his autobiography, Looking Forward.

Whether responsible or not for what befell his companions, he felt - admirably - responsible.

In 1980, campaigning for president, Bush spotted Mierzejewski, who was about to retire as a foreman from the Pratt and Whitney aircraft plant, at a rally in Meriden, Connecticut. "I'm glad to see him," said Bush, calling attention to his old war buddy from the podium, according to an article in the Meriden Record-Journal "Those were heroic times." In December 1987 Mierzejewski settled down in his living room to watch Bush, running again, be interviewed by David Frost. He was startled to hear the presidential candidate retell his war story, the one about how the plane was "in smoke and the wings were burning"; and how, of the two crewmen, "one of them got out. I think the other was killed in the plane."

This was not what Bush had told Mierzejewski in the Ready Room. Bush had related that he had called them three times - and he insisted that before he deserted the cockpit he was convinced that the two men must have been dead. Now Bush was saving on national T.V. that one of the men got out. "I never saw anyone else coming out of the plane," Mierzejewski told me. "It seems he Bush was awfully anxious to open that parachute. But I couldn't guess if those guys were alive. If the people are possibly alive, he was supposed to try to make a water landing. But I'm not in his mind." Mierzejewski now thought that Bush had "told me" that the men were dead as if he was justifying to me why he was bailing out himself." And why, he wondered, was Bush talking about smoke and fire? Mierzejewski had witnessed only a "puff of smoke" after Bush's plane had been hit - not billows of smoke and flames, certainly no smoke in the cockpit.

Bush's latest account, he decided, was not right. So he wrote the vice president an anxious letter: "These recollections are entirely different from my recall of the incident... I do not want to see your campaign hurt... I do not intend to dispute you in public." But he received no reply.

Mierzejewski's neighbor, a lawyer to whom he had confided his story, contacted the New York Post, whose reporter in turn contacted Mierzejewski. On August 12, 1988, the first day of the GOP convention in New Orleans, the newspaper published a front-page story, THE DAY BUSH BAILED OUT, by Allan Wolper and Al Ellenberg, which laid out Mierzejewski's claims. Some of the other crewmen substantiated a number of his details, including that he had the best view. The article noted that Mierzejewski was upset that though he was interviewed by the officer who wrote the intelligence report, his account was not included in it.

The Bush campaign responded to the story by circulating the intelligence report to the press. A spokesman called Mierzejewski's version "absurd." (None of the articles on the event observed that the intelligence report contradicted not only Mierzejewski's story but also the Finback log.) Then the coup de grace was delivered by Michael Dukakis, who remarked: "I don't think that kind of thing has any place in the campaign." Bush's wish was his command. Never again during the presidential race was the story raised.

Yet, during the contest, Bush published two campaign autobiographies containing divergent accounts of his war experience. In Looking Forward (written with Victor Gold, a friend and adviser), Bush described telling Delaney and White to "bail out" and jumping himself. "I looked around for Delaney and White, but the only thing in sight was my parachute drifting away." This story seemed to square with what Bush had related oil the Finback and to Mierzejewski. But in Man of Integrity (written with Doug Wead, Bush's liaison to the eligious right), he presented a radically different version. "I thought I was a goner," Bush recounted here. "I looked back and saw that my rear gunner was out. He had been machine-gunned to death right where he was. So then I turned back over the water and we bailed out. "But Delaney did not survive. "He was evidently cut to ribbons as he parachuted down. I was luckier."

In 1991 two books celebrated Bush's exploits as warrior-aviator, just as he was being celebrated as the victor in the Gulf war. Joe Hyams published Flight of the Avenger with "the cooperation of the president," which neglected to mention Mierzejewski and his story. Robert Stinnett, who had flown with Bush in his plane during the war as a Navy photographer, produced George Bush: His World War II Years, which attempted to refute Mierzejewski by citing four crew-member accounts, which disagreed with Mierzejewski's version, but did not quote the crew members reported in the New York Post who affirmed a number of Mierzejewski's particulars. Bush's story seemed intact...

What really happened at Chichi Jima will never finally be resolved. Were the men really dead when Bush jumped? Did one man parachute out? Why did the intelligence report say one thing and the Finback log another? And why have Bush's versions changed over time? Bush's experience in the Good War was more tortured and his accounts more tortuous than he now admits.

"I don't want to think about it," said Chester Mierzejewski. "I don't want to get involved politically." Still, he sees the attacks on Clinton as cynical in the light of what he has come to believe about the event of long ago. "I knew two guys who would be glad if George Bush had been a draft-dodger," he told me.

What we do know, in the end, is that terrible things happen in wartime; that the young Bush was consumed with doubt and pain; that the older Bush has presented a simple, unambiguous, but contradicting, story; and that he has directed his campaign to project onto Clinton's youthful grapplings with a very different war the harsh image of the evader.

Now, one can believe that Sid Blumenthal's article, citing Mierzejewski and some differing versions of Bush's story raises legitimate questions about the former president. And one can believe that the Swift Boat Vets for Truth, all 264 of them and their sworn affidavits, along with Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia story, raise legitimate questions about Kerry. But it is hard to contend that the former is legitimate hard-nosed journalism while the latter is just a smear campaign.

Oddly, Blumenthal's article does not appear to have made much of a splash back in 1992 (a Nexis search reveals that Chester Mierzejewski was referred to in one AP story and a few letters to the editor), and it has been largely forgotten by history.

When things like this fall down the memory hole, it's easy to conclude that the left would never question the wartime heroics of a presidential candidate.

http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerry200408231323.asp
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 04:42 AM
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31. USS Finback (SS-230) Report of War Patrol 10
Here is a site where you can view pages 5-7 of Finback's Report of War Patrol 10.

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/wajitfeluz/links/230_10.html

I don't know if you already had the benefit of this document or not.

According to his own account that day to the crew of Finback he didn't know if they had bailed out or if they had gone down with the plane.

I believe his overall military record is to be respected. Just going along for the ride on Finback's 10th War Patrol would have been frightful, to put it mildly. But it's clear that he's dressed up his story, at least to make himself look better and quite possibly to conceal negligence on that day.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:43 PM
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42. Is that when he got the nickname "Sid Vicious"?
I somehow missed that whole story. My take on politics in 92 was pretty simple: I'm voting for the Democrat, no matter what.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:41 PM
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7. Does it have a wide, yellow stripe down the center of its flight deck?
What's next? The "U.S.S. Benedict Arnold"?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 10:03 PM
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15. Yes an how bout piles on it's poop deck?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:50 AM
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36. USS AWOL?
A very not so swift boat!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:43 PM
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9. Strange, isn't it, how those truths never seem to make it to main stream
Edited on Sat Oct-07-06 09:43 PM by BrklynLiberal
media? hmmmmmmmmm :tinfoilhat: :shrug: :think: :crazy:

Another eerie tale to be added to the "Jim Hatfield", small aircraft, dingy motel room file of true stories that never seem to see the light of day.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:43 PM
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10. abandoned, hell. He doomed them to a watery grave.
Chickenshit bastard.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:44 PM
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11. Did Carter ever get a ship named after him?
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:48 PM
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13. Yes. SSN 23 Jimmy Carter
It's the Navy Spook Boat, last of the three Seawolf Class Nuclear Subs. I heard the Seawolf class subs had issues with their ballast tanks getting easily corroded and that the other two boats are now nothing more than floating spare parts for the Jimmy Carter.
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slingsam Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 09:44 PM
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12. I know the answer! Its about the Rapture.....
They are figuring that the rapture...is The October Surprise..in 2008.........

Hell....that's the only thing that will save their asses!!!!!!
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 10:11 PM
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16. As political travesties go, this is right up there with Henry Kissinger
being given the Nobel Peace Prize.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 10:18 PM
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17. Someday, the USS William Jefferson Clinton will take to the waves
On that day, all the fuses at Fox News will simultaneously short out, the presses at the Washington Times will overheat and melt together, and Newt Gingrich's mind may, *may* finally get blown. We'll see.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:15 PM
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19. No way
The powers-that-be in the military/industrial complex (that is stronger than ever) who have always deemed Clinton illegitimate will never give him the honor.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:38 AM
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35. Only if it is shaped like
a giant penis.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 10:25 PM
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18. The George H. W. Bush
Is it a pirate ship? ;-)
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:25 PM
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20. I wish we went back to naming aircraft carriers,
after Revolutionary War battles, instead of after the recent flavor of RW turd that infested our political system. Can you imagine Midway being fought with the USS Herbert Hoover?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:56 PM
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22. Victory would have been around the corner. n/t
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:15 AM
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25. Well, when they are cut apart for scrap in China we won't feel so bad.
:shrug:

The George H.W. Bush is probably just lot of rebar and car parts taking a temporary ocean cruise.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 01:55 AM
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24. I forgot all about that .
K&R.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:35 AM
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28. I know of one man who wasn't so anxious to sign up - Ronald Reagan
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:56 AM
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38. Reagan joined the Army and was a Captain, but he never left
Edited on Sun Oct-08-06 08:57 AM by rasputin1952
Hollywood to fight in any war. He made training films and "war" films, sitting in a mock up cockpit of a bomber on a "mission" over Germany, and things like that. Jimmy Stewart DID fly missions over Germany, as did a few others.

During WWII, many of our common household names come up as well. Lyndon Johnson took a leave of absence from the House to become a Naval Officer. Jimmy Carter went into the Navy, as did Richard Nixon. Eddie Albert, who piloted a landing craft in the Pacific, is responsible for the evacuation of some 250+ wounded Marines from Iwo Jima. Desi Arnaz joined the Army, but saw no action as he was with a group of entertainers and was a band leader. Charles Lindbergh went to the Pacific as a civilian, but was involved in some air battles until ordered to stand down; he then went to work on getting more out the P-38's range and fuel consumption issues, (his suggestions were implemented, and were one of the reasons
Yamamoto was shot out of the sky).

There are other examples....and I have always been impressed that so many answered the call during WWII.

I'm not certain that Nixon saw combat, but we all know Kennedy did. I think Johnson saw a little combat, but I'm not sure about Carter. One thing Carter did do while in the Navy, he was one of only 12 that passed a crash course on nuclear technology as the Navy went nuclear. some 350 Officers were selected for what was a 4 year course crunched into some 16 months, and only 12 got through it. Shows me he certainly has a great intellect.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 12:52 PM
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39. So, you're saying Reagan was a pathetic coward
I am aware of his wartime films.

I don't see this as even worthy of mention.

I see a man who saw the war as a chance to try to boost his repuatation as an actor and really break out, while real men were actually overseas and fighting.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:50 PM
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41. I think that Reagan essentially was a coward, he could have done
more, but he didn't. John Wayne used various ways to stay out of the military as well, but went far and above the call to make movies depicting dubious heroics. Most of those in uniform who saw the John Wayne flicks of the era knew they were bogus, but the made good fodder for the war effort.

John Ford and others went into harms way and filmed some of the most graphic aspects of the war, but were censored, and many miles of footage are just now coming out; few people know what has been archived and classified. After the war, much was just forgotten in vaults.

Reagan began to alter history long ago, he felt he needed to be seen as some sort of patriotic demigod, and the whole thing culminated when he started talking about flying missions over Germany. He got called on that, and there were no more war tales coming from him after that. Apparently, he began to equate his real life with his cinematic life. Maybe he thought Bonzo was one of his kids?



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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 02:37 AM
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29. Can someone post some links to Bush's "harrowing" story?
I've seen em before, but many DUers may not have...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 08:53 AM
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37. Poppy bailed out on his men...
Here ya go:



George Bush Parachutes Again to Exorcise Demons of Past Betrayal

By Ted Sampley
March/April/May 1997

Former President George Bush, who bailed out of a crippled Navy Avenger bomber 53 years ago, jumped again in March of this year. His World War II jump is historic. It made Bush the only president to ever bail out of an airplane and the only president whose crew mates were sent careening into the ocean because their pilot had abandoned the aircraft.

SNIP...

Prior to the jump, Jim McGrath, Bush's assistant, had said "The reasons behind this are strictly personal, . . . It has to do with World War II."

SNIP...

In a 1987 account of the World War II incident, which differed from his earlier versions, Bush told about the incident on television. He claimed that during a bombing run against a Japanese radio installation on ChiChi Island, his plane was hit and engulfed in flames and that he ordered his crew to bail out. He said one did, but his parachute failed. Bush claimed the other crewman did not answer the intercom, so he assumed that the crewman was critically wounded or dead.

Bush, who was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for action prior to the crash, said that even though the plane was in flames, he managed to fly it on to the target and drop his bombs before he bailed out. Bush admitted, however, that in his rush to get out of the Avenger, he pulled the parachute rip cord too quickly and was gashed on his forehead when he hit the tail of the plane.

Bush's Betrayal

Chester Mierzejewski, an old war buddy of Bush, who said he was angered by the "false assertions" made by candidate Bush when describing the incident, gave a different account.

After 44 years of silence, Mierzejewski, who also was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross, told the New York Post that Bush had abandoned his crew to death when there was another choice.

He said he was approximately 100 feet in front of Bush's plane as the turret gunner for Squadron Commander Douglas Melvin's plane, "so close he could see in the cockpit" of Bush's bomber. Mierzejewski's close wartime buddy was one of the two crew members in Bush's plane.

According to Mierzejewski, the squadron was in a tight-formation bombing raid against a Japanese radio installation on an island reported to be heavily fortified. He saw "a puff of smoke" come from Bush's plane which quickly disappeared and was certain only one man parachuted from the plane and that it was Bush, the pilot.

Mierzejewski said the Avenger torpedo bomber was engineered so that it could successfully crash land on water and that Bush doomed his own crew by bailing out and leaving the bomber out of control.

Other World War II veterans also expressed concern about Bush parachuting out of the aircraft. "He had a moral obligation to put that plane in the water in an emergency landing," Robert Flood, a former B-17 bombardier told the press. "He violated the primary rule for a captain of a multi-crew aircraft: The pilot never leaves the airplane with anybody in it."

Pete Brandon, a Marine Corps Avenger pilot, who also served in the South Pacific, said an Avenger pilot had two choices: Set the plane down in the water or hold it steady until the two crewmen could prepare to jump.

"In an Avenger, only the pilot wore a parachute," Brandon said. "The two crewmen wore harnesses. If the order came to bail out, they had to take chest parachutes from a shelf and strap them on - and bail out. The Avenger was very unstable. The pilot had to be at the controls the whole time or it would go right over on its back."

CONTINUED...

http://www.usvetdsp.com/story46.htm



I remember one crewman was an "old family friend" of the Bushes. The poor guy was Skull and Bones at Yale, too.
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40. Much appreciated. Now people can link to it if needed,
and they can see the disgusting details, if they didn't already know
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43. Fascinating jagoff reaction on TSTSNBN ...
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 11:54 PM by TahitiNut
The hypocrisy is monumental. The same people who foamed at the mouth in a chickenhawk feeding frenzy attacking Kerry and Cleland pretend vacant-skulled outrage at this thread. Enlist? Hell, they couldn't muster up the courage to leave their mommy's basement.
Bush's Betrayal

Chester Mierzejewski, an old war buddy of Bush, who said he was angered by the "false assertions" made by candidate Bush when describing the incident, gave a different account.

After 44 years of silence, Mierzejewski, who also was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross, told the New York Post that Bush had abandoned his crew to death when there was another choice.

He said he was approximately 100 feet in front of Bush's plane as the turret gunner for Squadron Commander Douglas Melvin's plane, "so close he could see in the cockpit" of Bush's bomber. Mierzejewski's close wartime buddy was one of the two crew members in Bush's plane.

According to Mierzejewski, the squadron was in a tight-formation bombing raid against a Japanese radio installation on an island reported to be heavily fortified. He saw "a puff of smoke" come from Bush's plane which quickly disappeared and was certain only one man parachuted from the plane and that it was Bush, the pilot.

Mierzejewski said the Avenger torpedo bomber was engineered so that it could successfully crash land on water and that Bush doomed his own crew by bailing out and leaving the bomber out of control.

Other World War II veterans also expressed concern about Bush parachuting out of the aircraft. "He had a moral obligation to put that plane in the water in an emergency landing," Robert Flood, a former B-17 bombardier told the press. "He violated the primary rule for a captain of a multi-crew aircraft: The pilot never leaves the airplane with anybody in it."

Pete Brandon, a Marine Corps Avenger pilot, who also served in the South Pacific, said an Avenger pilot had two choices: Set the plane down in the water or hold it steady until the two crewmen could prepare to jump.

"In an Avenger, only the pilot wore a parachute," Brandon said. "The two crewmen wore harnesses. If the order came to bail out, they had to take chest parachutes from a shelf and strap them on - and bail out. The Avenger was very unstable. The pilot had to be at the controls the whole time or it would go right over on its back."

Steve Hart, then Vice President Press Secretary, described Mierzejewski's account as absurd. Hart said, "The Vice President has told us time and time again what happened that day. To suggest that the account is inaccurate is absurd."

What is absurd is the conflicting or missing reports of exactly what happened to Bush's two crew members. According to the Post, the intelligence report on the loss of Bush's plane in September, 1944 notes that it had become "standard doctrine" for VT 51, Bush's bomber squadron, "to make bombing runs on targets near water so as to retire over the water. This puts pilot and crew in position for water rescue in event of forced landing . . . "

The same document reports, without attribution, that "smoke and flame" engulfed Bush's engine, and that "Bush and one other person were seen to bail out. The chute of the other person who bailed out did not open."

The report was signed by Melvin and an intelligence officer, Lt. Martin E. Kilpatrick. Contrary to normal military procedure, the report was not dated and Navy archives were unable to supply a subsequently completed report.

Gunner Lawrence Mueller, who lives in Milwaukee, flew on the ChiChi Jima mission. When asked who had the best view, he replied unhesitatingly: "The turret gunner in Melvin's plane."

Mueller's recollections, jogged by a log book that he kept, support Mierzejewski's account. And it was noted that Bush's plane was the only one from the squadron that did not return. Mueller told the Post, "No parachute was sighted except Bush's when the plane went down." He also said no one mentioned a fire engulfing Bush's plane or he would have noted it in the log book.

The Finback, the sub which picked up Bush from his raft in the water, made no report of a fire on Bush's plane, but did comment on his crew: "Bush stated that he failed to see his crew's parachutes and believed they had jumped when the plane was still over ChiChi Jima, or they had gone down with the plane."

About six hours later, the Finback picked up another pilot, James W. Beckman, from the USS Enterprise, who stated that it was known that only one man had parachuted from Bush's plane. "This decided us to discontinue any further search of that area . . ."

Although the heart of Bush's story about the incident remains the same, Mierzejewski is adamant Bush's account is not the truth and blames Bush for the abandonment and deaths of both men.

"I think he could have saved those lives, if they were alive. I don't know that they were, but at least they had a chance if he had attempted a water landing," Mierzejewski said.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/story46.htm


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