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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 08:59 PM
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I could care less if the chairman of the RNC is a homosexual (ken mehlman)
Edited on Tue Oct-10-06 09:05 PM by Philosoraptor
http://www.gaypeopleschronicle.com/stories05/march/0325054.htm



Akron--“ have asked a question people shouldn’t have to answer,” said Republican National Committee chair Ken Mehlman to a reporter asking if he is gay.

Internet bloggers have pointed out that if Mehlman, 38, unmarried and never with female companionship, is gay, he is a hypocrite.

Activist and blogger John Arovosis says Mehlman should be outed if he is gay because “Mehlman has already said publicly that the gay issue is fair game for politics. If it is fair game, then the same rules apply to him.”

Arovosis opines that in addition to Mehlman defending George W. Bush’s anti-gay policies, “the Republican National Committee makes no bones about using gaybashing to help Republican candidates.”


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Why should I care, I'm one of these live and let live types. But kenny mehlman is just so virulently anti gay in his speeches opinions, and that makes me care just a wee bit.

Are the Christian conservatives who hate mark foley aware of ken mehlman's sexual preferences? And do you think they'd be cool knowing the head of the republican national committee is a homosexual hypocrite?

Maybe someone should tell them about ken, and david drier too, it might make their heads implode and that would be fun to watch.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:04 PM
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1. Yeah. It is the hypocrisy that pisses me off.
Smug fucking shifty-eyed smarmy sneering prick hypocrisy.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:06 PM
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3. that's it
the incredible hypocrisy against his own fellow homosexuals. Is it self loathing? Or just opportunism and pragmatism?
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:13 PM
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10. It's because
he's not really a homosexual, see? So what if he gets aroused by men and not women? And what male hasn't had one or two gay experiences? :7
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:18 PM
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21. Actually, I think it is a host of issues.
And I think that it starts early in life.

Whether pudgy little nerds, sissies, mama's boys, snitches, ass-kissers, closeted or open gays, whatever, who grow up through whatever their thing is, they all share a common thread.

They are going to get even and then some.

The GOP loves them and they knw those little bastards love anything that might empower them.

I look at all the jerkoffs at various levels of Government and imagine how many taunts, teases and asskickings those bastards must have endured, all the time thinking that if and when they ever get a chance they are going to make everybody pay.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:42 PM
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28. exactly
i don't give a flying rat's ass if he's gay or not - it's the hypocrisy that galls me!!
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:08 PM
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5. Republicans are less troubled by hypocrisy than normal people are.
nm
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:09 PM
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8. He is truly gross
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:05 PM
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2. Don't be silly. The rules never apply to Republicans.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:07 PM
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4. It's no one's business
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:08 PM
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6. his private sexuality is fair game
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:09 PM
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7. It's none of my business

guess that's just how I was raised.

Also I couldn't care.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:11 PM
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9. Fine.
Personally I think hypocrisy is completely fair game.

Guess that's just how I was raised.

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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:13 PM
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11. How is it hypocrisy for him to be hired by the GOP and then promote the
GOP agenda? :shrug:
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:16 PM
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17. When the GOP agenda includes denial of rights to homosexuals
and he himself is one, that's hypocrisy. Clearly he's benefitting from the GOP, but the rest of the group he belongs to cannot.

Are you being disingenuous?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:19 PM
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23. You mean the one that DEMONIZES gay persons, and trys to prevent us from
gaining EQUAL RIGHTS?!

That pedophile party?!
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 04:38 AM
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38. Fine, hypocrisy is fair game, but let's not spend all of our
"hypocrisy searching" time outing gay hypocrites. How about all the privacy rights hypocrites, the anti-war hypo cits, anti-pork barrel spending hypocrites, free speech hypocrites, term limit hypocrites, I could go on and on.

Are sure we can turn off the gay-outing spigot when it no longer suits our electoral purpose? It wouldn't surprise me if there are plenty of gay bashers out there who will be more than willing to get on our "outing" bandwagon. I only hope that they will be willing to get off the bandwagon when we decide that it has reached its destination.

Oh well, if those nasty RWers continue to out gays after I tell them it is no longer "cool", I will resume calling them gay-hating bigots with no respect for the privacy rights of all people and purge this nasty little episode from my memory.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 09:54 AM
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50. I understand the point you're trying to make.
When "all the privacy rights hypocrites, the anti-war hypo cits, anti-pork barrel spending hypocrites, free speech hypocrites, term limit hypocrites..." hurt people as badly as the anti-gay hypocrites hurt gay people and their families, I'll concede your point.

They aren't equivalent, and I'm troubled by your suggestion that they are.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #38
53. While I agree with what you are saying
this particular issue is the one that is going to open the eyes of the republican 'base'. Unfortunately. They don't seem to really care much about the other hypocrisies going on. For that reason this issue is worth pursuing - *especially* right before the election.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:15 AM
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57. Oh I understand the electoral strategy and support the goal.
I think that it will help in this election.

It is just the "worrier" part of me that is concerned with legitimizing gay outing after decades of fairly successfully trying to get people to view it as an unethical tactic. While I think it will help alienate the GOP fundamentalist base for this election, I don't see them staying away for long, especially since we don't want them anyway.

When they return to the GOP fold, they will have a arrow in their quiver, gay outing, that we had fairly successfully taken away from them. Our only response then will be not that they are employing an unethical tactic that society has accepted as a violation of the right to privacy, but that they are outing our guy who is not a hypocrite.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:35 AM
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59. well, the point is that a Democrat wouldn't NEED to be in the closet
for political reasons. But I hear what you are saying - and I think you are making a very important point.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:13 PM
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12. but, what about the Christian children? Won't he molest them?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:15 PM
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13. you think he has done that?
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:16 PM
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16. the Xtians think ALL gays are like michael jackson
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:16 PM
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18. OK, if you believe that
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:16 PM
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15. I agree n/t
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:18 PM
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22. It is if he HIDES from it and ABUSES his position to ABUSE gay persons!
Smell the damn coffee and get a fucking clue!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:30 PM
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34. Its everyone's business. According to the GOP, being gay
is an immoral choice, and is a moral failing.

Therefore, Their very Chairman is immoral.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:14 AM
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55. It IS our business
It's our business because he and his party have chosen to make it our business.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:15 PM
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14. He should be outed
I mean, all of these fundy evangelicals believe that gays are more likely to molest children. Under that logic, wouldn't they like to know then if the chairman of their party is a possible child molester? Thus, we'd be doing them a favor if we outed Mehlman.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:17 PM
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20. we should at LEAST let them know about kenny
They'd WANT to know.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 05:32 AM
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39. Yes. And they deserve to know, as well.
They really do need to take back their party. In the future only straight Nazis need apply.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 05:41 AM
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40. All future applicants must pass the "Homo test"
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:17 PM
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19. Gay Repukes are right up there with Jewish Nazis in my esteem
but, good grief, I HOPE ol' Ken's not gay. He's just so ugly and repulsive...but that's only my opinion. Someone, somewhere, might find him attractive *shudder* I'd like to think that these gay Repukes will realize the harm they've done some day, but probably not.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:31 PM
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24. I could care less if dennis hastert is a homosexual
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:36 PM
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25. This is absurd! - this is rediculous! ... is he really gay?
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:37 PM
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27. only one way to find out
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:17 PM
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32. ????
Don't keep me hangin'!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:37 PM
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26. out them all
I never used to understand why gays chose to out Republican gays, but after this whole episode I get it completely.

It's like the right wing smearing Kerry, when they're the ones who avoided military service.

Or Hyde and Gingrich and Dole impeaching Clinton when they'd had their own affairs and floozies on the payroll.

Or ranting on about Jefferson's $100,000, when Halliburton and Becthel and Big Oil are walking away with billions.

Or Ralph Reed manipulating voters against gambling, when he was getting paid by gambling interests.

Or even like my local Christo-queens who gasp at the 'f-word' when they're having affairs and beating their kids.

No more letting these people smear everybody else and walk away pretending they're above reproach.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:31 PM
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35. I know, its so sickening
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:42 PM
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29. The problem is, I care so little that I can't even remember who's gay
and who's not.

I must say, though, that while the phenomenon of gay people advocating anti-gay policies bewilders me, I guess it's their right.

I'm a firm fence-straddler on this one. It pisses me off that people pass laws that hurt gay people, and feel they should be stopped. However, who cares who sleeps with whom? :shrug:
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:53 PM
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30. If it's the right of gay people to advocate anti-gay policies,
they've obviously made their own peace with that contradiction, that fundamental discrepancy and disconnect. In other words, they've become okay with it.

If they're okay with it, then, why not out them and let the world know?
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:16 PM
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31. That sick gay bastard weaseled himself into our pure, sacred
Republican party and tried to corrupt it with his sinful ways.

He lied and tricked everyone just like Satan will lie and try to trick the holy into doing the wrong thing.

The faggots have infiltrated God's chosen party like a plague of locusts. It's not the party's fault! Don't you blame the Republicans!

Pray for our President, brothers and sisters! For this is his hour of need.

Now put your hands on the computer monitor and I'll bless them and cure you of chronic halatosis when I receive your 20 dollar check.

Amen!

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:30 PM
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33. You're right. He makes his sexual orientation important with his anti-gay
platforms and rhetoric.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 03:38 AM
Response to Reply #33
36. and now he's hiding till the dust blows over, if it ever does
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 03:47 AM
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37. I think the bush lovers should know who is gay in their party
They SHOULD know this, as a public service announcement. Hey bush loving born again homophopes, did you know?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 05:50 AM
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41. I say we out any and all gay republicans
Seriously, perhaps if the republican party wasn't so hellbent on peeking in everyone's bedroom and determining what they feel is morally ok and what is morally corrupt, then perhaps I wouldn't give 2 shits.

Thing is, we know that the repukes don't care if their own is gay - they care about frightening the bejesus out of the American public. And for years now, hell decades, the republicans have turned homosexuality into some form of boogieman to the American people that causes somewhat sane, logical voters to turn into dumbass fearing for their lives & marriage if god-forbid a same-sex couple wants to form a lifetime living partnership. Who cares that the national divorce rate amongst hetero couples is like 50%.

The republicans feed into this 'Hate the Homos' hysteria because it generates votes for them EVEN IF THEY THEMSELVES are a closetted homosexual.

Personally - out each and every one of those closeted homosexual republicans who have created this vile hatred. Perhaps by outting them, we'll show the world that #1 - REpublicans are without a doubt hypocrites who clearly play the "Do as I say not as I do" method of scare tactics and #2 - There is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality, it's a natural way of life and it's about time the rest of the world just minds their own damn business and stop worrying about things like 'gay marriage'. Gay Marriage has NOT been the cause of 50% of the divorces in this country.

Mind you, under normal circumstances it's none of my business to out someone who chooses to not leave the closet. It's a personal decision for that person. However, my plan is for republican hypocrites - it needs to be done!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 05:56 AM
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42. I agree
Outing is such a touchy subject, and I wouldn't ever do it to anyone I know. But on the hill they blackmail each other over it, lie about it, live double lives over it, and basically become whores who will do ANYTHING to advance their own phony baloney careers, including outing EACH OTHER.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 06:25 AM
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45. "Normal circumstances" will return after the election, right?
"Mind you, under normal circumstances it's none of my business to out someone who chooses to not leave the closet. It's a personal decision for that person." I do hope that someone is responsible for telling me when "normal circumstances" have returned, so that I can return to my principles.

I have become predictable at condemning RWers and fundamentalists for outing gays against their will. Perhaps I should be thankful that I get to out some gays for a month or so, and see how much fun the RW has been having for all these years. Perhaps this "right to privacy" is, as the conservatives contend, not really a right, but a privilege that can be ignored when it is trumped by "hypocrisy" or, I assume, "Christian values".

If it's alright with you, I will keep my condemnation of RWers on file, so that when "normal circumstances" return, I can start bashing those fundamentalists that out gays.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 06:28 AM
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46. I know what you're saying - it's a tricky road
But I'm tired of this anti-gay fervor created by a party that degrades every gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender human being out there EXCEPT for those willing to promote the republican hate machine. If outing them will help dismantle the hate and show the rest of the country that homosexuality is as normal as the nose on your face - then so be it.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 06:17 AM
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43. No one said Mehlman is gay...there is an allusion to that in the piece...
and there might be speculation, but just because he lacks female companionship, is 38 yo and unmarried tells me nothing, except that he has the personality of a rock and is, judging by the pic, quite homely.

I've seen and listened to Mehlman on the talk-a-thon shows, he's an idiotic ideologue for the RW. His sexual preference means nothing to me, (unless there are kids involved, either sex), and IF he is gay, he should say so, big deal...but since this is just an allusional and speculative bit of writing, it would be good to keep that in mind.

The blatant hypocrisy of the RW is the real issue, not necessarily w/Mehlman possibly being gay. It is the complete breakdown of the "morality party" because of the hypocrisy that is the issue. No party, nor any individual has the right to impose their moral values on the nation, and feel as if they cannot bide by their own "morals". It is wrong to steal and coerce, but DeLay did it w/impunity for years, and when caught, the R's tried to change the rules to protect him....there lies the hypocrisy that is born of power and enacted through corruption.

If Mehlman is gay, big deal...but at this point, speculation should not rule over what we know. If it becomes conclusive that he is gay, and has spent time bashing gays for an "agenda" or whatever, he should be pilloried as a hypocrite.

I can't stand the man because of his smarmy, indignant personality and his political views....his sexual preferences mean nothing to me.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 06:23 AM
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44. I haven't heard Ken Mehlman rejecting his party's anti-gay agenda.
So, out away. Another Republican hypocrite who's toeing his party's virulently homophobic agenda.

Christ, it's not like it's not obvious or anything. My gaydar short circuits when I see him on television.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 06:50 AM
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47. "...that makes me care just a wee bit."
I say out ANY Republican.

It's the virulent hypocrisy- not the sexual orientation.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 08:31 AM
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48. Mrs. mehlman, can kenny come out?
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 09:33 AM
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49. no, he's playing with that weird Timothy across the street
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L A Woman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 09:58 AM
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51. you COULD care less or you COULDN'T care less? n/t
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:15 AM
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56. I'm flexible, either way
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:00 AM
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52. GOP platform is anti-gay.. OK to 'out' this self-hating hypocrite.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:11 AM
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54. The Republican Base's Collective Heads Explode
and that's the real reason to hammer this home. An October surprise from the gods. And if it doesn't make their heads explode, maybe in their happy, 'rationalize everything republican' way they'll join the civilized world and realize there's nothing wrong with being gay.

We can talk around it and say it's about hypocrisy - which it is - but let's face it, the real reason is the effect it will have on the republican base, right before the election.
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:19 AM
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58. OUT EVERY GODDAM ONE OF THEM!!!!!
I HATE HYPOCRITES -- And so do most Americans!!!

Any self-loathing gay person who would be a member -- let alone a LEADER -- of the party dedicated to destroying the RIGHTS of gay people is NO BETTER than those Jewish people who led other Jews to the Nazi concentration camps!!!

People DESERVE to KNOW who those people are!!!!

OUT EVERY GODDAM ONE OF THEM!!!!!

NOW!!!!!!!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 07:07 PM
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60. that is a good analogy
Gay men promoting gay hatred is the same as snitches in a prison camp
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:09 AM
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61. i used to oppose outing in all circumstances,but i'm reevaluating that
That position depended on the assumtption that the closeted, double-life leading self-hating, hypocritical homosexual was a danger to no one but him/herself. I was wrong. The closet is a damaging, unhealthy place to live. These people living double lives are not only a threat to themselves, they are prone to risky, unhealthy secret lives that put others at risk without their consent. Foley is just the last confirmation that solidified an evolving opinion.

Out them all if they're secretive deceptive -- a big difference than simply private.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:11 AM
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62. The day the GOP stops demonizing gays, I don't care about Mehlman
Until that day, I will continue to refer to him as Gay-As-Fuck Mehlman, and I suggest every other patriotic American do so as well.
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