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Wells Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:56 PM
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You-Tube and Google = Suppression of free speech?
Just a hunch, but could the recent purchase of the popular You-tube be a means to control media access? With all the re-airing of anti-Bush videos, the timing of the sale seems a little suspicious. Whom is behind Google?

Requiem: Free speech, we hardly knew ya, and now you're gone.

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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:57 PM
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1. Has google ever banned...
Personal videos that didn't infringe upon the rights of others?
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:58 PM
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2. Oh, spare me.
Seen any black helicopters lately?

Redstone
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:02 PM
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:13 PM
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10. They have manipulated results on other 9/11 videos
'9/11 Press for Truth' had hundreds of thousands of page views which would have placed it on Google's popular top 100 list. They have also deleted many comments. I've read about other 9/11 video results they have managed to "adjust". There must be something going on.

9/11 Press for Truth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=9%2F11+press+for+truth&hl=en
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 04:46 AM
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28. Eh?
Do you have any evidence to support this claim?
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:31 AM
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33. video.google.com resets page views and deletes comments
Edited on Wed Oct-11-06 10:38 AM by hpot
Keep your eye on the page views and comments. Some comments also mention the same observations. Last time I personally checked '9/11 Press for Truth', there were over 200,000 views. The counter currently displays 2,324 so it must have been reset by Google. For what purpose? I do not know. 'Terrorstorm' was also affected.

If it was a system wide problem why do the purges not affect all other videos such as the ones on the top 100 list? If it is not a system wide problem, which videos were affected by the purges?

9/11 Press for Truth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250&q=9%2F11+press+for+truth

Terrorstorm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&q=terrorstorm
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 11:44 AM
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38. Uh...
I don't see any other video in the top 100 with more than a few thousand hits. And given the massive use of video.google.com, all it probably indicates is that they reset all of the counters periodically to give a sort of "most popular right now" statistic vs. a "most downloads of all time" statistic.

As for the user comments, I have no idea, but given the sheer size of video.google.com, I highly doubt that they're moderating comments.

Take off the tinfoil.
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 12:03 PM
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42. I host a few videos on Google
None of them have been reset.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 12:29 PM
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45. Sorry, I was counting ratings, not views.
Still, the trailer for that movie has 200k+ views. Nobody is oppressing the MIHOP hive mind.
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 01:15 PM
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46. Trailer=215k views , Full movie=18k views (combined)
Edited on Wed Oct-11-06 01:32 PM by hpot
Google has deleted comments and views from popular 9/11 documentaries like '9/11 Press for Truth' and 'Terror Storm'. Just because they may have decided to leave a trailer untouched does not mean the deletions/purges never occurred. I am merely questioning the reason behind such purges and find it interesting.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:03 PM
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4. Back away from the tin foil hat, slowly.
:popcorn:
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:03 PM
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5. All I know is Josh Hastert is a lobbyist for Google
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:04 PM
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6. Hey, start another site for yourself. No one is stoping you.
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 12:14 AM
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24. Here is a link to get you started...
http://blog.kovyrin.net/2006/10/08/lighttpd-memcoder-flvtool-for-streaming/

Roll-your-own Youtube.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 08:15 AM
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31. thanks for posting that!
:hi:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:34 AM
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34. I think that will be the way of the future;
video on internet distributed via a peer-to-peer network rather than from one central depository controlled by one entity.

But for the time being one will have a hard time competing with the likes of google.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:04 PM
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7. I know that this nation has probably lost your trust...
and that there are very good reasons for you to be skeptical, but not everyone in this world is untrustworthy. Not everyone is bad, nor are all companies. I don't know what to say to help, but hopefully you will learn to trust again one day.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:11 PM
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8. Sequoia Capital. They turned $11 mil into $495 mil.
They also backed Apple, Cisco, Oracle,Yahoo and google.
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:11 PM
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9. Regardless of what we may think...
They are still private companies and can do what they please with their product. We as consumers are free to not use their product if we have any objections to how they run their business.

We might enjoy the freedoms of speech in this country, but not on private sites on the internet.
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:13 PM
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11. No
For starters Google is one of the companies that stood up to the Attorney General on his request to get their records.
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:20 PM
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13. Wired News: Google Bows to Chinese Censorship
"Xia suspects Google is cooperating with the Chinese government's censorship efforts to smooth the way for expansion plans that could help the Mountain .."

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,65089,00.html
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:57 PM
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18. Try to get a more recent link on the subject ok?
This is not exactly news.
2004?
I hope you are smart enough to find the more recent developments on your own.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 01:48 AM
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26. You have to be kidding
Edited on Wed Oct-11-06 01:54 AM by slaveplanet
Google floats their little mantra... "don't be evil"
and you actually believe that shit?

Dude, they are mocking us...

read on...

The idea appeared in Technology Review citing Peter Norvig, director of research at Google, who says these ideas will show up eventually in real Google products - sooner rather than later.


The idea is to use the existing PC microphone to listen to whatever is heard in the background, be it music, your phone going off or the TV turned down. The PC then identifies it, using fingerprinting, and then shows you relevant content, whether that's adverts or search results, or a chat room on the subject.

It get's worse...


Technology Review said Google talked about this software in Europe last June, and that it breaks sound into a five-second snippets to pick out audio from a TV, reducing the snippet to a digital "fingerprint", which it matches on an internet server.

Given the furore caused when AOL released searches on the internet, there might be more than a few civil liberties activists less than happy for Google to put this idea into practice. Also, given that Google provides the software link between its search software and the microphone, it's a small step to making the same link to any webcams attached to the PC.

Pretty soon the security industry is going to find a way to hijack the Google feed and use it for full on espionage.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/03/google_eavesdropping_software/



This isn't the the 1960's we're livin in here, this is Buck frikin Rogers time now...If they build it, big brother will come.

All hail, big Brother!
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 04:48 AM
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29. Run! Hide!
Or... turn off your microphone. Geez.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 03:28 PM
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49. That's right mock and smirk
Edited on Wed Oct-11-06 03:42 PM by slaveplanet
so typical of you OCT'ers.

We've got the head of Google research saying he plans on recording sounds you make in your living room, office, bedroom, even your kid's bedroom.

How do you turn off that microphone in your TIVO again?

What happens when they embed microphones directly into the motherboards?

There has been declassified documents, that they can listen in off your telephone's transmitter, even when it's on the hook.

We can remove the batteries from the cell phones.
We can just remove the phone from the wall everytime we're not using those too.


That doesn't change the reality of the situation.
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 11:19 AM
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35. The point is
Google is my favorite search engine but I do not expect them to be morally superior than any other corporation. Like any other business, Google will submit to the government's will when enough pressure is applied.

The news about their censorship may be a few years old but remember,.. they are currently still censoring Chinese results.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 11:23 AM
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36. then what difference does it make who owns YouTube?
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 11:45 AM
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39. Online Media Consolidation
YouTube and Google video are the two most popular video services on the Internet. Now that Google has control of Youtube they are the dominant player in this sector... until another competitor arrives.

If Yahoo bought YouTube, market dominance would be split with Google. That would mean less power under one corporation.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 12:06 PM
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44. okay. I thought you were suggesting it was corporate ownership per se
that was bad
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:14 PM
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12. Absolutely. Media conglomeration is destroying our country.
Edited on Tue Oct-10-06 10:21 PM by BuyingThyme
This kind of crap is illegal under the anti-trust standards which used to protect us.

ON EDIT:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010507/20010424
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:24 PM
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14. No. And I See No Reason Whatsoever For The Paranoid Question Either.
You're free speech is fine.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:25 PM
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 12:00 AM
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21. Do you enjoy being nasty to people?
I agree wholeheartedly that the speculation in the OP is completely unfounded but is it really necessary for you act like that? This sort of commentary is to the detriment of all DU in my opinion.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 12:02 AM
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22. And I don't begrudge you yours.
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threadkillaz Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:41 PM
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16. Hopefully, Google will help crush TV
593 GWB Videos at moment:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22george+bush%22&hl=en
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:43 PM
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17. Google's one of the good guys, overall (n/t)
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:02 PM
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19. They might deep-six that Criss Angel levitation video
It costs $100 on DVD to learn the secret, which you can learn in all of two minutes on the right YouTube link. I don't think Criss and his lawyers are too keen on that.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:12 PM
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20. Don't listen to the naysayers on this thread.
Seems like they have an ax to grind. :eyes:

HOWEVER...

What you are suggesting is VERY possible given how much the almighty dollar bill is worshipped in this country. If truth and integrity were more important than money this country would NOT be in the situation it is in right now. Not only that, but most of us should know by now that Free Speech is just about dead. :(
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Wells Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 12:08 AM
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23. ..frickin scary or what?
Thanx all, for the curteous replies. I won't be hanging up my tin foil hat, however. They're making us wear them. Kidding... seriously... Is Bushco frickin scary or what?

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 02:16 PM
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47. Even more scary since the torture bill was passed...
:scared:
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 12:21 AM
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25. Google is BLUE, they give 100% of their political donations to DEMOCRATS!
http://www.buyblue.org/node/1053/view/summary

Support & Buy Blue!
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 04:38 AM
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27. No matter what they do
Edited on Wed Oct-11-06 04:39 AM by bowens43
it won't be 'suppression of free speech'. Private companies and organizations have no obligation to allow any speech. The first amendment applies only to suppression by the government.
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silko Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 07:16 AM
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30. Don't worry. Vint Cerf and Gore are at Google.
Both are Democrats. ;)
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 10:25 AM
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32. Unless there is profit in supressing free speech ...
you can be sure that this is not the goal.

Cheers
Drifter
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 11:43 AM
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37. Google was the only one who didn't cave to Gozalez... perhaps youtube.com
will have less censorship?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 11:47 AM
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40. This "Question Mark Journalism" belongs on Fox, not DU. /nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 11:58 AM
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41. The herd creates mega-brands
If the herd hadn't all grouped around Google, then Google wouldn't be a mega-brand with the power to squeeze out competition and catapult other mega-brands. If people don't like the creation of these mega-brand corporate monsters, stop giving them all your business.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 12:04 PM
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43. It is the beginning of corporate control of the internet
After all, corporate dominance of the "old school" media is damn near complete, now they're looking for new pastures. I expect that there is going to be wave after wave of corporate mergers of internet companies over the next twenty years until much like "normal" media, you will literally have a handful of mega corporations controlling 95% of the 'net. This is just the beginning.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 02:17 PM
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48. google video has "reset" popular videos' view counts
It removes them, or keeps them off, of the "most viewed" page.
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