Question from a Fundy - When was the last time Christians invaded a

sovereign country? (he won't accept Iraq as an answer, even though I think it applies)

part two - (not really a question) "Muslims are doing it all the time" :wtf:



that last line blew my mind, and I couldn't think of an answer... help me DU!

The person doesn't know what the eff they're talking about.

those blood thirsty muuusllims! :sarcasm:

I was absolutely speechless. I will throw that question back to him tomorrow, thanks!

But he was secular lol.

That's fertile ground for bashing both sides.

as "Reel Krishens".


I guess that leaves out the Serbs and Croats from the list.

I'm afraid I can't help you out anymore. Well, actually, what about the British Empire. Does Anglican, Presbyterian and Episcopalian count?

Depends on how deep into the freeky fundie attitude he/she really is. He/she could consider only those who listen to Reverent Billy Bob MacIntyre to be real Christians if he/she wants... The beauty of a fundementalist is that they percieve themselves as the only right people on the planet and the rest of us to be converted or burned.

if he does not believe America is a Christian country.

This is a guy who doesn't want to be confused by facts.

Or tell him to wait a couple weeks for Iran.

What in the HELL does he think the fucking Germans were, when they invaded Poland???

I'm trying to get it through his thick brainwashed skull that countries don't invade other countries for religion, they do it for money. Gold, minerals, oil. They just use religion to get the populace to follow along.

It's hard work!

and Sweden, and France and Denmark etc., etc.

Germany invading Poland? Germany overrunning Belgium? The US invading Granada (there was a grand war for ya). Did he mean a "Christian" country invading a non-Christian country? Up until recently if a Christian country invaded a non-Christian country it would have been infringing on the imperial holdings of another Christian county. And as for the other side, other than an ill-conceived attack on Israel back in the 60s I think it was, and the Iran-Iraq war I can't at the moment think of a Muslim country invading anyone since the days of the Ottoman Empire. Basically this Fundy idiot is an idiot.

You can't answer that until he clarifies it. It depends on definition. What does he consider "invasion" or even "christian" or "muslim" countries? What qualifies and why? Off the top of my head you have Japan, Vietnam, Korea, Phillipines, Iraq, Cuba, Turkey, Somalia, Egypt, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, Brazil, Mexico, Grenada, Panama (hell, most of South America), South Africa, Poland, France, the Balkan states, Belgium, Holland, USA, Canada, shall I go on?

The Spanish were Christian, so were the British, and the US. The Germans were Christian in both World Wars, remind the Fundy that every soldier in the Wehrmacht had "Gott mit uns" (God is with us) stamped on their belt buckle.

Outside the Ottomans and the Moors in the 15th/16th/17th/18th centuries I can't think of too many times when a "Muslim" country invaded another country (much less a Christian one) -- There were the Arab-Israeli wars in the 60s and 70s, Iran-Iraq war in the 80s (in which we supported Iraq), and the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait -- but as noted above Iraq was secular.

The question becomes murkier since the concept of "national sovereignty" is a 20th century idea and did not exist before that time.

Let me know if this helps. I can dig deeper if need be.

Thanks!

across the Mediterainian and into Southern Spain, but they were known as the Moors back then.

And as far as "Christians" invading sovereign countries, I seem to recall some sort of conflict between Germany and Poland in the 1930's

you answered him correctly when you said Iraq. But he won't accept that as an answer.

That's partly because he doesn't want to admit we invaded. Additionally, America is amazingly and suddenly not a Christian nation when FReepers don't want to call it one.

But more importantly, he intended, from the start, to not accept any of your answers as legitimate.

As for the "muslims do it all the time"... when, exactly?

but since we didn't use religion as reason to invade, it doesn't count. :eyes:

I'll be using the Germany-Poland and "when was the last time Muslims did?" lines tomorrow. should be fun. :evilgrin:

"Iraq wasn't smart, Bush is an idiot, But the Democrats are worse"

sound about right?

He's also claiming he's "not really a republican, more Libertarian" :rofl:

if you roll back those tapes from 1996 (first year I could vote), there's the proof. :D

I'm guessing this guy can't claim the same. :evilgrin:

this was a "Crusade against Islamofacist"....Monkeyboy by the slip of the tongue made this a religious war...it may not be one of the official reasons but it is one of the underlying reasons....

Not the most recent example, but nonetheless a good one, I think.

Ask if engineering coup d'etats counts? Iran in the 50's, Vietnam in the 60's, Chile to name just a few.

by the retarded fundie definition Catholics are not Christians.

The Christians took over the government of a sovereign United States.

Fuck the fundie.

That's the obvious answer. Wonder why the fundies aren't proud of that coup?

Every country the US has ever invaded... Falklands....

Just name any war started by white folks - I don't tolly understand what the "writer's block" issue here is.

It is intentionally difficult to address this statement, since they usually rebut most answers with " doesn't count". The short answer is there are numerous examples of historically defined Christian nations attacking other nations. Since there are so many examples before 1945, it's not worth listing them. Therefore, here's a list since 1945 culled from this website: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/demowar.htm

USA has attacked Vietnam (1964-1973), Grenada (1983), Panama (1989), Iraq (1991-Present), Afghanistan (2001) and Yugoslavia as part of NATO) (1999) CIA activities during this period are too numerous to mention, do not usually meet our definition of war. The Bay of Pigs Invasion of Cuba (1961) was more overt, but had minimal "official" military participation.

Other examples since 1945 include:
Count War Date Enemies Thousands Killed
5 Central American War 1955 Nicaragua vs. Costa Rica 1
8 Central American War 1957 Nicaragua vs. Honduras 1
16 Soccer War 1969 El Salvador vs. Honduras 4
28 Falklands War 1982 Argentina vs. UK 1.2
35 Ecuador-Peru 1995 Ecuador vs. Peru 0.1
36 Kosovo 1999 NATO vs. Yugoslavia 6

The long answer is more complicated. You have to identify several components of the questions. What are Christians? What are "Christian nations"? What are wars? Let's start with the first question. What are Christians and how do we define a Christian nation?

Christianity is the has largest number of adherents in the world. Here's a list of the top religions by adherents:
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Major Religions of the World
Ranked by Number of Adherents
1. Christianity: 2.1 billion (33%)
2. Islam: 1.3 billion (21%)
3. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion (16%)
4. Hinduism: 900 million (14%)
5. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million (6%)
6. Buddhism: 376 million (6%)
7. primal-indigenous: 300 million (6%)
8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
9. Sikhism: 23 million
10. Juche: 19 million

The next step is to define Christianity and identify which countries can be considered "Christian".

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_christian.html
Christianity, as defined for the purpose of census and surveys, includes all those who claim to be Christian. This includes varying degrees of religious activity, from essentially non-participating but still-nominal Christians to active full-communicants and life-long clergy. These numbers also include adherents of different divisions within Christianity, including Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant, Pentecostals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Latter-day Saints, African Indigenous Churches and others.

Here' a list:
Top 10 (by population) Christian Nations
Rank Nation Number Percent
1 USA 224,457,000 85%
2 Brazil 139,000,000 93%
3 Mexico 86,120,000 99%
4 Russia 80,000,000 60%
5 China 70,000,000 5.7%
6 Germany 67,000,000 83%
7 Philippines 63,470,000 93%
8 United Kingdom 51,060,000 88%
9 Italy 47,690,000 90%
10 France 44,150,000 98%
11 Nigeria 38,180,000 45%

If we define a Christian nation as having a majority Christian population, then we would traditionally look at Europe, North America, South America, Australia/New Zealand, and former colonies of the European nations and the United States. Europe, while still considered historically Christian, has huge numbers of Atheists/Agnostics/non-believers in God. Countries such as the Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, France, Great Britain, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, and many others are listed as Christian nations, yet have low single digit church attendance and growing religious minorities. For example, 78% of Swedes belong to the Lutheran "Church of Sweden", yet only 2% attend church and only 23% identify themselves as believing there is a god. Therefore, we need to determine how many of the potential Christian nations are actually Christian.

Top Countries With Highest
Proportion of Atheists / Agnostics/non-believers in God
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html
Nations with the largest measured percentage of people who identify as atheist, agnostic, or non-believer in God. These figures do not necessarily represent the number of people who are identify themselves as "atheists." For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists.

Country Total country
population (2004) % Atheist/Agnostic/Nonbeliever in God
Sweden 8,986,000 46 - 85%
Vietnam 82,690,000 81%
Denmark 5,413,000 43 - 80%
Norway 4,575,000 31 - 72%
Japan 127,333,000 64 - 65%
Czech Republic 10,246,100 54 - 61%
Finland 5,215,000 28 - 60%
France 60,424,000 43 - 54%
South Korea 48,598,000 30 - 52%
Estonia 1,342,000 49%
Germany 82,425,000 41 - 49%
Russia 143,782,000 24 - 48%
Hungary 10,032,000 32 - 46%
Netherlands 16,318,000 39 - 44%
Britain 60,271,000 31 - 44%
Belgium 10,348,000 42 - 43%
Bulgaria 7,518,000 34 - 40%
Slovenia 2,011,000 35 - 38%
Israel 6,199,000 15 - 37%
Canada 32,508,000 19 - 30%

This website lists religion statistics by country: http://www.worldfactsandfigures.com/religion.php

Here's a list of Christian nations excerpted from that list, based on the historical definition if not actual practice:
American Samoa: Christian Congregationalist 50%, Roman Catholic 20%, Protestant and other 30%
Andorra: Roman Catholic (predominant)
Anguilla: Anglican 40%, Methodist 33%, Seventh-Day Adventist 7%, Baptist 5%, Roman Catholic 3%, other 12%
Antigua and Barbuda: Anglican (predominant), other Protestant, some Roman Catholic
Argentina: nominally Roman Catholic 92% (less than 20% practicing), Protestant 2%, Jewish 2%, other 4%
Armenia: Armenian Orthodox 94%
Aruba: Roman Catholic 82%, Protestant 8%, Hindu, Muslim, Confucian, Jewish
Australia: Anglican 26.1%, Roman Catholic 26%, other Christian 24.3%, non-Christian 11%
Austria: Roman Catholic 78%, Protestant 5%, Muslim and other 17%
Bahamas, The: Baptist 32%, Anglican 20%, Roman Catholic 19%, Methodist 6%, Church of God 6%, other Protestant 12%, none or other 5%
Barbados: Protestant 67% (Anglican 40%, Pentecostal 8%, Methodist 7%, other 12%), Roman Catholic 4%, none 17%, other 12%
Belarus: Eastern Orthodox 80%, other (including Roman Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Muslim) 20% (1997 est.)
Belgium: Roman Catholic 75%, Protestant or other 25%
Belize: Roman Catholic 62%, Protestant 30%, none 2%, other 6% (1980)
Bermuda: non-Anglican Protestant 39%, Anglican 27%, Roman Catholic 15%, other 19%
Bolivia: Roman Catholic 95%, Protestant (Evangelical Methodist)
Bosnia and Herzegovina: Muslim 40%, Orthodox 31%, Roman Catholic 15%, Protestant 4%, other 10%
Botswana: indigenous beliefs 50%, Christian 50%
Brazil: Roman Catholic (nominal) 80%
British Virgin Islands: Protestant 86%, Roman Catholic 6%, none 2%, other 6% (1981)
Brunei: Muslim (official) 67%, Buddhist 13%, Christian 10%, indigenous beliefs and other 10%
Bulgaria: Bulgarian Orthodox 83.5%, Muslim 13%, Roman Catholic 1.5%, Uniate Catholic 0.2%, Jewish 0.8%, Protestant and other 1%
Burundi: Christian 67% (Roman Catholic 62%, Protestant 5%), indigenous beliefs 23%, Muslim 10%
Canada: Roman Catholic 42%, Protestant 40%, other 18%
Cape Verde: Roman Catholic (infused with indigenous beliefs); Protestant (mostly Church of the Nazarene)
Cayman Islands: United Church (Presbyterian and Congregational), Anglican, Baptist, Roman Catholic, Church of God, other Protestant
Central African Republic: indigenous beliefs 24%, Protestant 25%, Roman Catholic 25%, Muslim 15%, other 11%
Chile: Roman Catholic 89%, Protestant 11%, Jewish NEGL%
Colombia: Roman Catholic 90%
Congo, Democratic Republic of the: Roman Catholic 50%, Protestant 20%, Kimbanguist 10%, Muslim 10%, other syncretic sects and indigenous beliefs 10%
Congo, Republic of the: Christian 50%, animist 48%, Muslim 2%
Cook Islands: Christian (majority of populace are members of the Cook Islands Christian Church)
Costa Rica: Roman Catholic 76.3%, Evangelical 13.7%, other Protestant 0.7%, Jehovah's Witnesses 1.3%, other 4.8%, none 3.2%
Croatia: Roman Catholic 76.5%, Orthodox 11.1%, Muslim 1.2%, Protestant 0.4%, others and unknown 10.8% (1991)
Cyprus: Greek Orthodox 78%, Muslim 18%, Maronite, Armenian Apostolic, and other 4%
Czech Republic: atheist 39.8%, Roman Catholic 39.2%, Protestant 4.6%, Orthodox 3%, other 13.4%
Denmark: Evangelical Lutheran 95%, other Protestant and Roman Catholic 3%, Muslims 2%
Dominica: Roman Catholic 77%, Protestant 15%, none 2%, other 6%
Dominican Republic: Roman Catholic 95%
Ecuador: Roman Catholic 95%
El Salvador: Roman Catholic 86%
Equatorial Guinea: nominally Christian and predominantly Roman Catholic, pagan practices
Estonia: Evangelical Lutheran, Russian Orthodox, Estonian Orthodox, Baptist, Methodist, Seventh-Day Adventist, Roman Catholic, Pentecostal, Word of Life, Jewish
Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas): primarily Anglican, Roman Catholic, United Free Church, Evangelist Church, Jehovah's Witnesses, Lutheran, Seventh-Day Adventist
Faroe Islands: Evangelical Lutheran
Fiji: Christian 52% (Methodist 37%, Roman Catholic 9%), Hindu 38%, Muslim 8%, other 2%
Finland: Evangelical Lutheran 89%, Greek Orthodox 1%, none 9%, other 1%
France: Roman Catholic 90%, Protestant 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim (North African workers) 3%, unaffiliated 4%
French Guiana: Roman Catholic
French Polynesia: Protestant 54%, Roman Catholic 30%, other 16%
Gabon: Christian 55%-75%, animist, Muslim less than 1%
Georgia: Georgian Orthodox 65%, Muslim 11%, Russian Orthodox 10%, Armenian Apostolic 8%, unknown 6%
Germany: Protestant 38%, Roman Catholic 34%, Muslim 1.7%, unaffiliated or other 26.3%
Gibraltar: Roman Catholic 76.9%, Church of England 6.9%, Muslim 6.9%, Jewish 2.3%, none or other 7% (1991)
Greece: Greek Orthodox 98%, Muslim 1.3%, other 0.7%
Greenland: Evangelical Lutheran
Grenada: Roman Catholic 53%, Anglican 13.8%, other Protestant 33.2%
Guadeloupe: Roman Catholic 95%, Hindu and pagan African 4%, Protestant 1%
Guam: Roman Catholic 85%, other 15% (1999 est.)
Guatemala: Roman Catholic, Protestant, indigenous Mayan beliefs
Guernsey: Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Baptist, Congregational, Methodist
Guyana: Christian 50%, Hindu 33%, Muslim 9%, other 8%
Haiti: Roman Catholic 80%, Protestant 16%, none 1%, other 3% (1982)
Holy See (Vatican City): Roman Catholic
Honduras: Roman Catholic 97%, Protestant minority
Hungary: Roman Catholic 67.5%, Calvinist 20%, Lutheran 5%, atheist and other 7.5%
Iceland: Evangelical Lutheran 93%, other Protestant and Roman Catholic, none (1997)
Ireland: Roman Catholic 91.6%, Church of Ireland 2.5%, other 5.9% (1998)
Israel: Jewish 80.1%, Muslim 14.6% (mostly Sunni Muslim), Christian 2.1%, other 3.2% (1996 est.)
Italy: predominately Roman Catholic with mature Protestant and Jewish communities and a growing Muslim immigrant community
Jamaica: Protestant 61.3%, Roman Catholic 4%, other, including some spiritual cults 34.7%
Jersey: Anglican, Roman Catholic, Baptist, Congregational New Church, Methodist, Presbyterian
Kenya: Protestant 38%, Roman Catholic 28%, indigenous beliefs 26%, Muslim 7%, other 1%
Kiribati: Roman Catholic 54%, Protestant 30%, some Seventh-Day Adventist, Baha'i, Latter-day Saints, and Church of God
Latvia: Lutheran, Roman Catholic, Russian Orthodox
Lesotho: Christian 80%, indigenous beliefs 20%
Liechtenstein: Roman Catholic 80%, Protestant 7.4%, unknown 7.7%, other 4.9% (1996)
Lithuania: Roman Catholic (primarily), Lutheran, Russian Orthodox, Protestant, Evangelical Christian Baptist, Muslim, Jewish
Luxembourg: the greatest preponderance of the population is Roman Catholic with a very few Protestants, Jews, and Muslims
Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: Macedonian Orthodox 67%, Muslim 30%, other 3%
Malawi: Protestant 55%, Roman Catholic 20%, Muslim 20%, indigenous beliefs
Malta: Roman Catholic 91%
Man, Isle of: Anglican, Roman Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, Society of Friends
Marshall Islands: Christian (mostly Protestant)
Martinique: Roman Catholic 95%, Hindu and pagan African 5%
Mexico: nominally Roman Catholic 89%, Protestant 6%, other 5%
Micronesia, Federated States of: Roman Catholic 50%, Protestant 47%, other and none 3%
Moldova: Eastern Orthodox 98.5%, Jewish 1.5%, Baptist (only about 1,000 members)
Monaco: Roman Catholic 90%
Montserrat: Anglican, Methodist, Roman Catholic, Pentecostal, Seventh-Day Adventist, other Christian denominations
Namibia: Christian 80% to 90% (Lutheran 50% at least), indigenous beliefs 10% to 20%
Nauru: Christian (two-thirds Protestant, one-third Roman Catholic)
Netherlands: Roman Catholic 31%, Protestant 21%, Muslim 4.4%, other 3.6%, unaffiliated 40% (1998)
Netherlands Antilles: Roman Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Seventh-Day Adventist
New Caledonia: Roman Catholic 60%, Protestant 30%, other 10%
New Zealand: Anglican 24%, Presbyterian 18%, Roman Catholic 15%, Methodist 5%, Baptist 2%, other Protestant 3%, other or none 33%
Nicaragua: Roman Catholic 85%, Protestant
Norfolk Island: Anglican 39%, Roman Catholic 11.7%, Uniting Church in Australia 16.4%, Seventh-Day Adventist 4.4%, none 9.2%, unknown 16.9%, other 2.4%
Northern Mariana Islands: Christian (Roman Catholic majority, although traditional beliefs and taboos may still be found)
Norway: Evangelical Lutheran 86% (state church), other Protestant and Roman Catholic 3%, other 1%, none and unknown 10% (1997)
Palau: Christian, Modekngei religion (one-third of the population observes this religion which is indigenous to Palau)
Panama: Roman Catholic 85%, Protestant 15%
Papua New Guinea: Roman Catholic 22%, Lutheran 16%, Presbyterian/Methodist/London Missionary Society 8%, Anglican 5%, Evangelical Alliance 4%, Seventh-Day Adventist 1%, other Protestant 10%, indigenous beliefs 34%
Paraguay: Roman Catholic 90%, Mennonite, and other Protestant
Peru: Roman Catholic 90%
Philippines: Roman Catholic 83%, Protestant 9%, Muslim 5%, Buddhist and other 3%
Pitcairn Islands: Seventh-Day Adventist 100%
Poland: Roman Catholic 95% (about 75% practicing), Eastern Orthodox, Protestant, and other 5%
Portugal: Roman Catholic 94%, Protestant (1995)
Puerto Rico: Roman Catholic 85%, Protestant and other 15%
Reunion: Roman Catholic 86%, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist (1995)
Romania: Romanian Orthodox 70%, Roman Catholic 3%, Uniate Catholic 3%, Protestant 6%, unaffiliated 18%
Russia: Russian Orthodox, Muslim, other
Rwanda: Roman Catholic 52.7%, Protestant 24%, Adventist 10.4%, Muslim 1.9%, indigenous beliefs and other 6.5%, none 4.5% (1996)
Saint Helena: Anglican (majority), Baptist, Seventh-Day Adventist, Roman Catholic
Saint Kitts and Nevis: Anglican, other Protestant, Roman Catholic
Saint Lucia: Roman Catholic 90%, Protestant 7%, Anglican 3%
Saint Pierre and Miquelon: Roman Catholic 99%
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: Anglican 47%, Methodist 28%, Roman Catholic 13%, Seventh-Day Adventist, Hindu, other Protestant
Samoa: Christian 99.7%
San Marino: Roman Catholic
Sao Tome and Principe: Christian 80% (Roman Catholic, Evangelical Protestant, Seventh-Day Adventist)
Seychelles: Roman Catholic 90%, Anglican 8%, other 2%
Slovakia: Roman Catholic 60.3%, atheist 9.7%, Protestant 8.4%, Orthodox 4.1%, other 17.5%
Slovenia: Roman Catholic 68.8%, Uniate Catholic 2%, Lutheran 1%, Muslim 1%, atheist 4.3%, other 22.9%
Solomon Islands: Anglican 34%, Roman Catholic 19%, Baptist 17%, United (Methodist/Presbyterian) 11%, Seventh-Day Adventist 10%, other Protestant 5%, indigenous beliefs 4%
South Africa: Christian 68%, Muslim 2%, Hindu 1.5% (60% of Indians), indigenous beliefs and animist 28.5%
Spain: Roman Catholic 99%, other 1%
Swaziland: Protestant 55%, Muslim 10%, Roman Catholic 5%, indigenous beliefs 30%
Sweden: Lutheran 87%, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Baptist, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist
Switzerland: Roman Catholic 46.1%, Protestant 40%, other 5%, none 8.9% (1990)
Tanzania: mainland - Christian 45%, Muslim 35%, indigenous beliefs 20%; Zanzibar - more than 99% Muslim
Tokelau: Congregational Christian Church 70%, Roman Catholic 28%, other 2%
Tonga: Christian (Free Wesleyan Church claims over 30,000 adherents)
Trinidad and Tobago: Roman Catholic 29.4%, Hindu 23.8%, Anglican 10.9%, Muslim 5.8%, Presbyterian 3.4%, other 26.7%
Turks and Caicos Islands: Baptist 41.2%, Methodist 18.9%, Anglican 18.3%, Seventh-Day Adventist 1.7%, other 19.9% (1980)
Tuvalu: Church of Tuvalu (Congregationalist) 97%, Seventh-Day Adventist 1.4%, Baha'i 1%, other 0.6%
Uganda: Roman Catholic 33%, Protestant 33%, Muslim 16%, indigenous beliefs 18%
Ukraine: Ukrainian Orthodox - Moscow Patriarchate, Ukrainian Orthodox - Kiev Patriarchate, Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox, Ukrainian Catholic (Uniate), Protestant, Jewish
United Kingdom: Anglican 27 million, Roman Catholic 9 million, Muslim 1 million, Presbyterian 800,000, Methodist 760,000, Sikh 400,000, Hindu 350,000, Jewish 300,000
United States: Protestant 56%, Roman Catholic 28%, Jewish 2%, other 4%, none 10%
Uruguay: Roman Catholic 66%, Protestant 2%, Jewish 1%, nonprofessing or other 31%
Vanuatu: Presbyterian 36.7%, Anglican 15%, Roman Catholic 15%, indigenous beliefs 7.6%, Seventh-Day Adventist 6.2%, Church of Christ 3.8%, other 15.7%
Venezuela: nominally Roman Catholic 96%, Protestant 2%, other 2%
Virgin Islands: Baptist 42%, Roman Catholic 34%, Episcopalian 17%, other 7%
Wallis and Futuna: Roman Catholic 100%
Yugoslavia: Orthodox 65%, Muslim 19%, Roman Catholic 4%, Protestant 1%, other 11%
Zambia: Christian 50%-75%, Muslim and Hindu 24%-49%, indigenous beliefs 1%
Zimbabwe: syncretic (part Christian, part indigenous beliefs) 50%, Christian 25%, indigenous beliefs 24%, Muslim and other 1%

I'm sure you could find a few wars started by one of these nominal Christian nations against another nation, even another Democratic nation, or "gasp" even another Democratic Christian nation.

Here's a great write-up by Matthew White on wars between/among democracies since 1945. Using the above list, a quick look would show numerous "Christian" nations attacking another nation:

Democracies Do Not Make War on One Another. ...or do they? by Matthew White
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/demowar.htm

International Wars, 1945-1999:
Count War Date Enemies Thousands Killed
1 1st Indo-Pak War 1947-49 India vs. Pakistan 5
2 Israeli War of Independence 1948 Egypt, Syria, Jordan vs. Israel 11
3 Tibet 1950 China vs. Tibet 2
4 Korean War 1950-53 North Korea, China vs. South Korea, USA, UK, et al. 1200
5 Central American War 1955 Nicaragua vs. Costa Rica 1
6 Suez Crisis 1956 Egypt vs. Israel, UK, France 3
7 Hungarian Revolt 1956 Hungary vs. USSR 10
8 Central American War 1957 Nicaragua vs. Honduras 1
9 Sino-Indian War 1962 India vs. China 2
10 Indonesian Confrontation 1962-65 Indonesia vs. Malaysia, UK, Australia, New Zealand 0.7
11 Somalian Border 1963-67 Somalia vs. Kenya 4
12 2nd Indo-Pak War 1965 India vs. Pakistan 7
13 2nd Indochina War 1965-73 North Vietnam vs. South Vietnam, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Phillipines, South Korea, Thailand 1200
14 Six-Day War 1967 Egypt, Syria, Jordan vs. Israel 20
15 Czechoslovakia 1968 Czechoslovakia vs. USSR, Bulgaria, East Germany, Hungary, Poland 0.1
16 Soccer War 1969 El Salvador vs. Honduras 4
17 Sino-Soviet War 1969 USSR vs. China 3
18 Bengali War of Independence 1971 India vs. Pakistan 11
19 Yom Kippur War 1973 Egypt, Syria vs. Israel 14
20 Cyprus 1974 Turkey vs. Cyprus 5
21 Angola 1975-1988 Angola, Cuba vs. South Africa 500
22 Lebanon 1976-2000 Israel, USA, France vs. Lebanon, Syria (in various combinations) 150
23 Ogaden War 1977-78 Ethiopia, Cuba vs. Somalia 35
24 Ugandan War 1978-79 Tanzania vs. Uganda 3
25 3rd Indochina War 1978-89 Cambodia vs. Vietnam 75
26 Sino-Vietnamese 1979 China vs. Vietnam 20
27 1st Gulf War 1980-88 Iran vs. Iraq 800
28 Falklands War 1982 Argentina vs. UK 1.2
29 Chad 1982-87 Chad, France vs. Libya 35
31 Grenada 1983 USA vs. Grenada 0.1
32 Panama 1989 USA vs. Panama 0.9
33 Nagorno-Karabakh 1991-95 Armenia vs. Azerbaijan 20
34 2nd Gulf War 1991-98 Iraq vs. Kuwait, USA, Saudi Arabia 5
35 Ecuador-Peru 1995 Ecuador vs. Peru 0.1
36 Kosovo 1999 NATO vs. Yugoslavia 6
37 Eritrean War 1998-2000 Ethiopia vs. Eritrea 60
38 Kashmir 1989- India vs. Pakistan 25
39 Congolese Civil War 1998- Congo-Kinshasa, Zimbabwe, Angola, Sudan vs. Uganda, Rwanda 200

I identified Christian nations attacking other nations at the top of this post.

...during the second world war, we would all be speaking German."

In any case, it doesn't really matter if he accepts it or not, it's a fact. His non-acceptance of the fact doesn't make it less of one. The USA - a "Christian" country (or so they keep telling us) - invaded Iraq, a sovereign country. What doesn't the fundie get about this?

According to Wikipedia, with my off-the-top notes in bold. I've tried to stick to one official religion country invading another, but I also tried to list notable invasions that some of those countries suffered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion

The following states recognize some form of Christianity as their official religion (by denomination):


Roman Catholic

Jurisdictions which recognize Catholicism as their official religion:

* Argentina Invaded the Islas Malvinas, or Falklands, 1982
* Bolivia Chaco War with Paraguay, 1932
* Costa Rica
* El Salvador the incredibly stupid "Futbol War" "invasion" of Honduras, 1969
* Haiti
* Liechtenstein
* Malta
* Monaco
* Some cantons of Switzerland
* Vatican City



Eastern Orthodox

Jurisdictions which recognize one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches as their official religion:

* Cyprus constantly at war with the other half of Cyprus
* Greece Metaxas' counter-invasion of Albania, 1940; invasion of Turkey, 1920
* Finland "Invasion" of Russia, 1941, actually an attempt to recover territory lost to the Soviets in the Winter War of 1939-40

Lutheran

Jurisdictions which recognize a Lutheran church as their official religion:

* Denmark
* Iceland
* Norway
* Finland

Arguably, NOBODY has invaded more sovereign nations than the combined might of the Scandinavians, starting in ca. 835 A.D. and continuing through the Napoleonic Wars. Vikings--many of whom had already converted to Christianity--raided every square foot of Europe accessible by sea, to the point where Vikings raiding up the Volga River from the Black Sea actually ran into a Viking raiding party from the Baltic. After ca. 950 A.D. those invasions continued in the name of God, into England, through the Crusades, through Gustavus Adolphus to Charles XII.


Anglican

Jurisdictions that recognise an Anglican church as their state religion:

* England - Church of England Invaded Iraq, 2003. Consolidated a worldwide empire ca. 1600-1945, partially through conquest, and fought innumerable colonial wars to keep those conquests. Subjugated virtually the whole of the Muslim Middle East from Bangladesh to Palestine. England is the most obvious choice; it's Protestant, it invaded Iraq, and no Muslim country has since invaded anyone else. So England should get the prize I think for "last time any nation with an official religion invaded anyone else." And it doesn't hurt that the U.K. invaded a country which has Islam as its official religion.



Reformed

Jurisdictions which recognize a Reformed church as their official religion:

* Some cantons of Switzerland Yes, the Swiss were once bastards, too, but they are best known as mercenaries in the employ of other invading nations--notably the Vatican, but we won't count the Vatican here.


Countries which recognize Islam as their official religion:

* Afghanistan Often invaded to the eventual dismay of the invaders, which include India, the USSR, the U.K., and the U.S.
* Algeria Invaded by France, 1808; invaded by the U.S. and Britain, 1942
* Bahrain
* Bangladesh
* Brunei
* Iran Counter-invasion of Iraq, ca. 1982; Occupied by UK and USSR, WWII
* Iraq Invasion of Iran, 1980. Invasion of Kuwait, 1990
* Jordan Planned invasion of Israel, 1968; invasion of Israel, 1948
* Kuwait
* Libya Invasion of Chad, 1980s
* Maldives
* Mauritania
* Morocco Occupation of Parsley Island, 2002--an entry at least as useless as the "Futbol War" above
* Oman Invaded by USMC forces, Battlefield 2. Okay, it's just a video game.
* Pakistan Periodic border disputes with India
* Qatar Supplied headquarters for US forces invading Iraq, 2003
* Saudi Arabia Participated in wars against Israel, 1973, 1948
* Somalia Invaded by George H. W. Bush, 1992. Yeah, I just stuck that in there to piss off the Freepers.
* Tunisia Invaded by Allied forces, WWII
* United Arab Emirates
* Yemen Border disputes with itself, mid-20th C.


Sunni Islam

* Algeria
* Malaysia
* Saudi Arabia (as state-sanctioned religion)
* Somalia

Shi'a Islam

* Iran (as state-sanctioned religion)


Buddhist countries

Countries which recognize Buddhism as their official religion:

* Bhutan (Drukpa Kagyu school of Tibetan Buddhism) Soon to be invaded by the Chinese
* Cambodia (Theravada Buddhism) Wars with Vietnam and China
* Kalmykia, a republic within the Russian Federation (Tibetan Buddhism - sole Buddhist entity in Europe)
* Sri Lanka (Theravada Buddhism - The constitution accords Buddhism the "foremost place," but Buddhism is not recognized as the state religion. ) Never-ending war with itself
* Thailand (Theravada Buddhism) Invaded by the Japanese, 1941
* Tibet Government in Exile (Gelugpa school of Tibetan Buddhism) Come on.

* Israel Invaded Egypt once; counter-invaded Egypt twice more. Counter-invaded Syria twice. Counter-invaded Jordan once. Invaded Lebanon twice. Raided Uganda once. Raided Iraq once. Et cetera. I've added Israel for the purpose of tossing it out below.

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As you can see above, since the 19th Century it's the Christians doing most of the invading. Way back when it was Christians doing most of the invading, too. That middle part, it was mostly Christians doing the invading as well. In the 19th-20th Centuries much of the Islamic Middle East was occupied by an unquestionably Christian nation--England--in various guises such as "mandates" and protectorates.

If you toss Israel out of the equasion (many Muslims might argue that any invasion of Israel is in fact a liberation of Palestine), we get an even more astounding picture. Muslim nations rarely fight each other anymore--with the obvious exception of Saddam Hussein's Iraq--and haven't successfully invaded a non-Muslim nation in a very long time. The non-Israeli Muslim wars of note in the 20th C. are the Iran-Iraq war, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, the Lybian debacle in Chad, and the Kashmir border wars between Pakistan and India. That's about it, I think--am I forgetting anything?

If your pal wants to start bending the rules, I reserve the right to toss in Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, France, Belgium, the Dutch, and of course the good ol' U.S. of A.

There is no question in my mind that Christianity is the most violent and most consistently violent and exploitative religion in the world, ever, and has been since the Romans picked it up like a bad habit. In recent times, the Protestants have been arguably worse than the Catholics, thanks to the C of E. The creation of the pan-Islamic empire in the 600s-800s AD and the invasions of the Ottomans do not hold a candle to the world conquest and extermination perpetrated by Christianity against North and South America, Australia, Africa, and most of Asia. Christianity does not and has never embraced peace as a matter of foreign policy--except when a Christian nation is in danger of losing; it has often been used as a justification for invasion, genocide, and theft. There is virtually no habitable territory on earth that has not at one point or another fought wars of survival against other Christian-backed nations--and Argentina claims a big hunk of Antarctica, so someone will be fighting that Christian war sooner or later, too.

Your pal is an ignorant cog in the largest, deadliest, and most effective religious war machine ever created, and I hope you will tell him that from me.

and I'm printing it out for him, so you'll be telling him yourself. :evilgrin:

or Israel and Lebanon (which Israel invaded), but in each case he's wrong about them being Muslim forces. If his arguement is the Saddam Kwuait angle, then tell him that Iraq was a secualr state not a theocratic state. The invasion of Kwuait came about as a disagreement (Iraq accused Kwuait of slant drilling on Iraqi soil) regarding oil. Iran/Iraq was a war that both the US and Isreal supplied, some could argue Saddam fought it for us by proxy. The Israel/Palistine turmoil again stems from a land dispute, not religion, and has drawn in support from organizations (not always good and somtimes claiming to be doing god's work) from surrounding states, i.e. Lebanon, Syria and sometimes Egypt.

On the other hand, christians never stopped. They often do their dirty work disguised as missionaries, saving the heathens from their godless lives:sarcasm: