Why is it OK to go off to kill Iraqis in some peoples minds?

http://www.wtvm.com/Global/story.asp?S=5520735&nav=8fap

Parents: Marine son died in Iraq while living his dream

PIKE ROAD, Ala. Brad Payne knew from an early age that his future would include becoming a United States Marine.

The 24-year-old's Alabama native's dream came true, but it was cut short Friday when his convoy was hit by a roadside bomb in the Al Anbar Province in western Iraq.

His parents, W. Howard and Carol Payne of Pike Road say the only solace in their son's death is knowing he was killed while living his dream.


:wtf: Why is it OK with parents for their children to go off and live their dream of killing Iraqi people who never attacked us?

I mean if my kid said to me his dream was to go off and kill people who didn't doing anything to us I would try and arrange a psychiatric evaluation for the boy.

I don't understand this "living his dream" stuff at all.

Don

Some fantasy.

are needed. Doesn't say much for the "American character."

This thing needs a warning! Peace, Kim

NUKE IRAQ ...uhh??

So that's 'their' way of sayin' "Support the Troops!"?? Nuke 'em?? :crazy:

Witness the rotten 'fruits' of the dimwit in the WH...

Don't you know about the redemptive power of violence? See, violence, slaughter, bloodshed and carnage can make any situation better. Some of you wussy namby-pamby types were sorrowful after the September 11 attacks; but it a took real by-God men like George W. Bush and his advisors to realize that the only way to redeem the smoking ruin of the World Trade Center towers was to launch not one, but two invasions of other countries, and kill tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of people who had nothing whatsoever to do with the attacks.

We have now retrieved our national honor, done right by the memory of the September 11 dead, and put the rest of the world on notice that the United States is ruled by the most powerful, batshit crazy cabal put together since Caligula made his horse a Senator in Rome.

Most of the Iraqis are proud to die in support of President Bush's efforts to bring democracy to their lands. They recognize that their previous existence was empty and meaningless, and they view the opportunity to be slaughtered as a form of baptism. Thanks, George.

maybe his dream was to help Iraqis (by killing other Iraqis and foreigners) I imagine many serving in Iraq feel that way.

If he was told he was going to serve his country by killing Canadians (they have oil) would that have been OK too?

Or if he was told to serve his country he had to kill Americans (US soldiers have killed American citizens in my lifetime) would that be OK?

When is it NOT OK to "serve their country" by killing Innocent people in your estimation?

Don

But the answer to your question is: when the cause is unjust or the costs, in innocent lives, too high.
I know we both agree that the Iraq War is unjust and the cost in lives too high. But for many, they don't see it that way. For them, the people they are fighting aren't innocent, they are the enemy or enemy sympathizers. Heck, some of them - the insurgents that commit what are unarguably terrorist acts - aren't innocent at all and are legitimate targets.

Iraqis. Can a young man be convinced by media, culture, whatever that there is a war for freedom going on in Iraq? Not if you read DU every day, but many do not.

You might be able to make a case that he was not politically aware, but he may have known the difference between the state of freedom in Iraq as opposed to Canada or the US. IMO it is more likely that he did have a "dream" of helping Iraqis than that he wanted to serve his country by killing innocent people.

I wish more people had a "dream" of helping bring, if not freedom, at least some measure of security to the people of Darfur without killing innocent people, of course.

Not like us at all.
They have big noses and dark skins.
Their women are all ugly.
They wear weird clothes and worship a weird god.
They don't even talk English.
They eat with their fingers.
They have long funny names that are impossible to pronounce.

So it's not like killing actual human beings.
:sarcasm: OFF.

And as patriotic and romantic as it might have sounded to a kid, I doubt that he really wanted to end his days in the hellhole of Iraq.

the Director of Personnel Management for the Army -- Maj.Gen. Bierne (sp?) on WJ.

This guy couldn't tell the truth to save his @ss.

The war is going well, they're meeting their recruitment goals, the VA takes care of soldiers and the Army takes care of families. It made me want to puke.

It says something about the unreality that has infused our military culture. And it says something about the manufactured horsesh!t that is fed to that culture 24/7 by the Cabal.

No wonder these parents can say something like that automatically. The whole culture is divorced from reality, let alone ethics or morals.

/oops

I feel for ANYONE who has lost a beloved family member, regardless of circumstances.

If you are asking if there is any cause anywhere at any time in this world that is worth risking your life for? Yes. If this young man had been willing to kill and die an end to the slaughter in Darfur, I would have immense respect for him, in spite of the fact that Sudan has not attacked us. If, and I realize that this is a significant if, he really believed that he was fighting for the freedom of Iraqis, then I respect him, even while I may criticize the media or Bush or the culture for perpetuation this myth.

Heck, in the 1930's liberals from America and around the world went to Spain to fight the fascists there in the Spanish Civil War, even though the Spanish fascists had never attacked the US or any other country. It didn't work in the sense that Franco's fascists won the war, but liberals were certainly willing to kill and die for their principles and "dreams."

I realize that there is no civil war in Sudan. It is a one-sided slaughter, but the principle still applies. There are dreams worth killing and dying for.

continue to believe he was there to fight for "Iraqi freedom"? I seriously doubt it. I imagine what happens after the initial disallusion is, remembering this is your job and it's above your pay grade to think about it critically.

what I see and read here, I would have to believe that the disillusionment would kick in pretty quickly. I guess they could see things there that would encourage them, but that is hard for me to imagine. Some of them do volunteer to go back and say the right things about why they are doing it, but it may just be about doing a job, the higher combat pay, and getting promotions.