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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 09:00 PM
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Real Shock & Awe: 1,405,000 Iraqis dead, 15 years sanctions & occupation
On Sat Mar 25th 2006 - I posted this as "1,000,000 Iraqis Dead". It is time to update it.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

What will it take to wake up the US? The whole truth, from a historical perspective, that places 'blame' appropriately on the shoulders of many leaders, many groups. You may categorize me as a "blame America firster" because I am critical of the US role in the Persian Gulf War, United Nations Economic Sanctions, and the Iraq War. If so, then so be it. The US played key roles in all of these events and the consequence is shocking:

In 15 Years (1991-2006), the US has caused/contributed to 1,405,000 Iraqi deaths

Persian Gulf War: 150,000
Gulf War Aftermath: Many thousands
UN Sanctions: Primary cause of 600,000 deaths
Iraq War: 655,000


Important: Whether or not you believe that US foreign policy caused all of these deaths - the death toll is a valid, conservative estimate of Iraqi deaths in the past 15 years in excess of what would have been expected if there had been peace. PLEASE TELL PEOPLE THIS NUMBER -- maybe it is big enough to shock the American public awake and cause them to realize the true devastation in Iraq: 1,405,000

The Persian Gulf War did not have to happen: Hussein did not invade Kuwait until after he had received an assurance from April Gillespie that the "US had no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts." Even if he had invaded, alternatives to war were available.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/provide_comfort.htm

The Gulf War Aftermath Encouraged by American radio broadcasts to rise up against their ‘dictator’, the Kurds of northern Iraq rebelled against a nominally defeated and certainly weakened Saddam Hussein in March of 1991. Fear of being drawn into an Iraqi civil war and possible diplomatic repercussions precluded President Bush from committing US forces to support the Kurds. Within days Iraqi forces recovered and launched a ruthless counteroffensive including napalm and chemical attacks from helicopters. They quickly reclaimed lost territory and crushed the rebellion. By the first week of April, 800 to 1,000 people, mostly the very young and the very old, were dying each day. link Al Franken has said that many 100,000's of Kurds and Shia were slaughtered, but I do not have a printed source.

UN (US/UK Sanctions) The United Nations Security Council has maintained comprehensive economic sanctions on Iraq from August 1990 until March 2003. Sanctions in Iraq hurt large numbers of innocent civilians not only by limiting the availability of food and medicines, but also by disrupting the whole economy, and reducing the national capacity of water treatment, electrical systems and other infrastructure critical for health and life. The oil-for-food program provided an average of $200 per year for each of 23,000,000 Iraqis - well below the international poverty level. In the UN Security Council, countries urged the US and UK to allow the sanctions to be lifted, but the US/UK would not allow this.

http://www.j-n-v.org/AW_briefings/JNV_briefing075.htm

http://woolseyforpeace.org/?q=node/65


Iraq War & Occupation A Johns Hopkins University study published in the British medical journal The Lancet in October, 2004. // The figure of 100,000 had been based on somewhat "conservative assumptions", notes Les Roberts at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, U.S., who led the study. That estimate excludes Falluja, a hotspot for violence. If the data from this town is included, the compiled studies point to about 250,000 excess deaths since the outbreak of the U.S.-led war. // Eman Ahmad Khamas.... said: "This occupation has destroyed Iraq. Americans don't know that tens of thousands of Iraqis are in prisons. Americans don't know how many have been killed. Lancet reported 100,000 in 2004, not counting Falluja. Now it is something like double this number."



PERSIAN GULF WAR: 150,000

At 2:30 a.m. on 17 January 1991 the bombs began to fall, and for forty-two days U.S. aircraft attacked Iraq on an average of once every thirty seconds.

The assault on the Iraqi military....was relentless. More than 40,000 tons of bombs targeted the military, often in proximity to civilian areas. B-52s carpet-bombed military areas from extremely high altitudes. Estimates of the numbers of Iraqi soldiers killed by the end of the bombing ranged from 100,000 to 200,000. On March 22, 1991, the Defense Intelligence Agency placed Iraq’s military casualties at 100,000.

The bombing of Iraq took more than 150,000 lives outright and left a broken and bleeding nation. The bombs killed indiscriminately, mostly Iraqis, but others as well. Among the dead were Muslims and Christians, Kurds and Assyrians, young and old, men, women, children, babies.

Total U.S. war casualties, including thirty-seven acknowledged to have died from "friendly fire," were 148, according to the Pentagon.

Ramsey Clark "Fire & Ice"



GULF WAR AFTERMATH: Many thousands

The massive defeat of the Iraqi military machine tempted the Iraqi Kurds to revolt against the Baghdad regime. Encouraged by American radio broadcasts to rise up against their ‘dictator’, the Kurds of northern Iraq rebelled against a nominally defeated and certainly weakened Saddam Hussein in March of 1991. Shortly after the war ended, Kurdish rebels attacked disorganized Iraqi units and seized control of several towns in northern Iraq. From the town of Rania, this sedition spread quickly through the Kurdish north. Fear of being drawn into an Iraqi civil war and possible diplomatic repercussions precluded President Bush from committing US forces to support the Kurds. Within days Iraqi forces recovered and launched a ruthless counteroffensive including napalm and chemical attacks from helicopters. They quickly reclaimed lost territory and crushed the rebellion.

Knowing the possible repercussions of further actions by Iraq, more than one million refugees headed toward the mountains of Iran and Turkey. Conditions deteriorated rapidly as crowds grew by the hour. There was no food, shelter, or water. It was still winter in the mountains, with temperatures plunging far below freezing each night. Press reports indicated as many as 3 million people fleeing, with the Iraqi Army still in pursuit. By April 2nd over a million Kurds had fled Iraq (approx. 800,000 Kurds in Iran, 300,000 in southeastern Turkey and another 100,000 along the Turkish/Iraq border. By the first week of April, 800 to 1,000 people, mostly the very young and the very old, were dying each day.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/provide_comfort.htm

Note: Al Franken has that Hussein slaughtered 100,000's of Kurds & Shia when they rose up to overthrow Hussein after being encouraged to do so by the US.



UN (US/UK) SANCTIONS: Primary cause of 600,000 deaths
August 1990 - March 2003

The United Nations Security Council has maintained comprehensive economic sanctions on Iraq since August 6, 1990. The international community increasingly views the sanctions as illegitimate and punitive, because of well-documented humanitarian suffering in Iraq and widespread doubts about the sanctions’ effectiveness and their legal basis under international humanitarian and human rights law. (2)

It is now clear that comprehensive economic sanctions in Iraq have hurt large numbers of innocent civilians not only by limiting the availability of food and medicines, but also by disrupting the whole economy, impoverishing Iraqi citizens and depriving them of essential income, and reducing the national capacity of water treatment, electrical systems and other infrastructure critical for health and life. People in Iraq have died in large numbers. The extent of death, suffering and hardship may have been greater than during the armed hostilities, especially for civilians, as we shall see in more detail below. Comprehensive sanctions in Iraq, then, are not benign, non-violent or ethical. (2)

A UN "Oil-for-Food Programme," started in late 1997, offered some relief to Iraqis, but the humanitarian crisis continued. (1)

Over a period of about five years, serving an Iraqi population of 23 million, the program has delivered roughly $200 worth of goods per capita per year, including oil spare parts and other goods not directly consumed by the population. Allowing for domestic production outside the Oil-for-Food program and for smuggling, the result still appears to leave Iraqi citizens an exceedingly low per capita income which may be at or below the $1 per day World Bank threshold of absolute poverty. (2)

The measurement of deaths rests on the concept of “excess” mortality – those deaths that exceed the mortality rate in the previous, pre-sanctions period or that exceed a projection of the earlier trend towards further gains. (2)

All of these excess deaths should not be ascribed to sanctions. Some may be due to a variety of other causes. But all major studies make it clear that sanctions have been the primary cause, because of the sanctions’ impact on food, medical care, water, and other health-related factors. (2)

Prof. Richard Garfield of Columbia University carried out a separate and well-regarded study of excess mortality in Iraq. Garfield considered the same age group and the same time period as the UNICEF study. He minimized reliance on official Iraqi statistics by using many different statistical sources, including independent surveys in Iraq and inferences from comparative public health data from other countries. Garfield concluded that there had been a minimum of 100,000 excess deaths and that the more likely number was 227,000. He compared this estimate to a maximum estimate of 66,663 civilian and military deaths during the Gulf War. Garfield now thinks the most probable number of deaths of under-five children from August 1991 to June 2002 would be about 400,000. (2)

There are no reliable estimates of the total number of excess deaths in Iraq beyond the under-five population. Even with conservative assumptions, though, the total of all excess deaths must be far above 400,000. (2)

In the face of such powerful evidence, the US and UK governments have sometimes practiced bold denial. Brian Wilson, Minister of State at the UK Foreign Office told a BBC interviewer on February 26, 2001 “There is no evidence that sanctions are hurting the Iraqi people.” When denial has proved impossible, officials have occasionally fallen back on astonishingly callous affirmations. In a famous interview with Madeleine Albright, then US representative at the United Nations, Leslie Stahl of the television show 60 Minutes said: “We have heard that half a million children have died . . . is the price worth it? Albright replied, “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price – we think the price is worth it.” (2)

(1) Sanctions Against Iraq
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/indexone.htm

(2) Iraq Sanctions: Humanitarian Implications and Options for the Future
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/iraq1/2002/paper.htm



IRAQ WAR: March 2003 - October 2006: 655,000

A Johns Hopkins University study published in the British medical journal The Lancet in October, 2004: The Lancet estimate (usually approximated to 100,000 deaths) includes Iraqi civilians and insurgents, and includes all causes of death, whether violent or nonviolent, and whether they were caused by foreigners (such as US pilots) or by Iraqis themselves. (1)

The figure of 100,000 had been based on somewhat "conservative assumptions", notes Les Roberts at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, U.S., who led the study. That estimate excludes Falluja, a hotspot for violence. If the data from this town is included, the compiled studies point to about 250,000 excess deaths since the outbreak of the U.S.-led war. (2)

Eman Ahmad Khamas is a human rights advocate who has documented abuses by the U.S. military in Iraq.... She said: "This occupation has destroyed Iraq. Americans don't know that tens of thousands of Iraqis are in prisons. Americans don't know how many have been killed. Lancet reported 100,000 in 2004, not counting Falluja. Now it is something like double this number. Hundreds of thousands of families must search for men who are missing, and they are left with nothing to support themselves. Many people do not know about the bombing of cities. Bush said the war ended on May 1, 2003. That's not true. Many Iraqi cities have been bombed severely. And families are buried in the rubble. Get the troops back home' is not enough. Yes, the occupation has to end immediately, but those responsible for these crimes have to be held responsible." (3)

Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, and others is to be published Thursday on the Web site of The Lancet, a medical journal. (4)

(1) The Death Toll in Iraq
http://www.j-n-v.org/AW_briefings/JNV_briefing075.htm

(2) U.S. invasion responsible deaths of over 250,000
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11674.htm

(3) We Are Human Like You
http://woolseyforpeace.org/?q=node/65

(4) New Hopkins/Lancet Study
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2366655



Post-Script: In Germany, discussion among Germans about how they, the ordinary German people, had been involved in the Holocaust did not begin until the 1960's and 1970's. I remember, as a kid, seeing a 60-Minutes segment on a young woman who dug up the 'dirt' on her town -- she found out who had been in the SS, who had worked in concentration camps and so forth. The people of her town harrassed her and called her "The Nasty Girl." I guess am that, too. I want to confront Democrats, Republicans -- all Americans -- about the consequences of US Foreign Policy since World War II. Democrats do not get special blame, nor do they get off the hook. IMHO, if we really want to see a change in this nation, the change will not come with 'electing Democrats' it will come with a real change in consciousness in millions of Americans. We are not facing the truth of even our recent past. It is urgent that we do so.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 09:06 PM
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1. Helluva job, Brownie.
I am so ashamed to be an American right now.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 09:08 PM
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2. truth is stranger than fiction.
I guess Bill didn't like the Iraqi people to much either.

Thats kinda sarcasm, I knew all about it.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 09:10 PM
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3. Saying this may not be popular but
I really didn't like it when Madeline Albright said that the sanctions regime had been worth it. I know she much, much later said it was a dumb thing to say. Still, it's not like sanctions don't kill just because they don't involve tanks and aircraft and other Daddy Party toys.

We're down to arguing that the US occupation regime isn't worse than Saddam's regime.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 09:19 PM
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4. Excellent post
What you portray are the very real, probably understated, Hard figures. What doesn't go into this accounting is how many have perished due to any number of war-related issues. the toll is certainly half again what you put forth. And then the issue goes, as you state, to overall American foreign policy. If one would go back even further than WW 2, well how far back do you want to go and how deeply to you wish to delve into the civilizing project.....

K&R
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 09:54 PM
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5. K & R for unpopular reality.
The sooner Americans face it the sooner we can change.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:35 AM
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6. kick & rec #4
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:08 AM
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7. From one Nasty Girl to another....
:hug:

:hi: "The Nasty Girl" (Das Schreckliche Maedchen) is a great movie and I reccommend it to everyone. It inspired me to dig up my family's past in Germany in actually fighting against the Nazis (my father's family later escaped Nazi Germany) and to understand how the Nazi's were able to rise to power. Later as an adult when I lived in Germany working, I remember driving each day past the Dachau concentration camp and wondering "how could the people of Dachau and Munich not have known"?

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 06:28 AM
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8. Driving past the Dachau concentration camp...
Is it on a heavily used road? In my naive imagination I had thought concentration camps were miles and miles and miles back in forests, hidden.

:cry:
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:26 PM
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13. I don't know about in the 1930's, but currently the town of Dachau which
is only about 10-15 miles (?) north of Munich, is right next to the Autobahn (freeway). My understanding is that it was Hitler himself that started building the Autobahns too. The bottom line though, is that certainly the people who lived in Dachau had to know and people in Munich (in the Schwabing area in North Munich) would have only been about half an hour away from the atrocities of the concentration camps of Dachau. I went and visited the camp...an awful awful place that gave me chills.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:10 AM
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9. What if polls in Iraq showed that Iraqis hated living under Saddam
so much that the majority felt that the war and the horrible violence that it has unleashed was worth it to get rid of the dictator.

If that were true, IF, could we move on to a critique of how we went about helping a people get rid of a brutal dictator? Or must we focus on our mistakes to the point that we become convinced that the US is so bad that we have no role to play, now or ever, in helping others better their lives? I don't like Bush, but I am not willing to build a wall around the country to keep us from hurting others and to keep those foreigners from taking our jobs.

We are a part of the world. The world is a part of us. We wall ourselves off at our peril. JFK had it right. "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." We have to be careful to wisely decide when and how to help repressed people and when we have to step away, because the risk is too high, but we cannot turn our backs on repressed people all the time everywhere.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:57 AM
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11. I believe we should take the world into account
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 09:11 AM by IndyOp
in every decision we make. We are less than 5% of the world's population. Breathe that in and then live it everyday. They are 95%. We are less than 5%. If we don't take the world into account and care about the 95% - they aren't lost - we are.

Whether you are aware of it or not, you are echoing the right-wing talking point that the primary way (they only way?) in which the US can help the world is to use our military. THAT is exactly what the corporate robber-barons have always wanted US citizens to believe. And it is a damned lie.

WHY are there repressed people in the world? Think on that long and hard. No it is not 'just the US' - but it is due to the fact that the wealthy nations steal the riches from other countries and use and abuse their people to work in factories for salaries that are less than they require to live.

FAIR TRADE everywhere in the world. Investing money in people all around the world. FEED the people. Stop with the freakin' export of arms. Stop allowing multi-national corporations to profit from us so we can break the backs of the mutli-nationals - like Coca Cola who encourage union-busting in their South American plants to the point that they won't take any action to discourage the assasination of union leaders. Coca-Cola is the company of the death squads! And what about Nestle - they profit from slave children in Africa who pick cocoa beans for free so that Nestle can sell M&Ms for less than $1 here and make HUGE profits.

Please get off the "save people by invading countries" bus - it is a damned lie that we've been told over and over and over again.



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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:39 AM
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12. Sorry not to have emphasized more my point that
"We have to be careful to wisely decide when and how to help repressed people and when we have to step away." I put that at the end, so it may seem that it was not that important to me. The "when and how" are indeed extremely critical decisions. The military should not be the primary (certainly not the only) way of helping.

I do agree that we need to deal with the root causes of poverty and repression in the world. How to structure the world economic and political system to accomplish this is difficult to accomplish due vested interests largely in the wealthy countries. Your proposals are all great: fair trade, invest in people, feed, no arms exports, and curbing multi-nationals.

Oh, and I will get off the "save people by invading countries" bus. :headbang: (I swear they changed the sign after I got on the bus.)
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:47 AM
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10. Credit goes to Bush I, Clintion, Bush II.... and all the little politician
who made it possible.
Genocide, American Style!

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:41 PM
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14. Kicking
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