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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:04 PM
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Is your email being watched?
Here's an article from the most recent Alabama Democrat (our Democrat news source in AL) that may reveal not only if you're being snooped on but also who might be snooping.

Is YOUR E-mail Being Watched?
Experiment to see if your mail is being tapped by the gov't
Richard M. Smith of ComputerBytesMan has come up with a "quick and easy method to see if one's email messages are being read by someone else."

1. Set up a Hotmail account.

2. Set up a second email account with a non-U.S. provider. (eg. Rediffmail.com)

3. Send messages between the two accounts which might be interesting to the NSA.

4. In each message, include a unique URL to a Web server that you have access to its server logs. This URL should only be known by you and not linked to from any other Web page. The text of the message should encourage an NSA monitor to visit the URL.

5. If the server log file ever shows this URL being accessed, then you know that you are being snooped on. The IP address of the access can also provide clues about who is doing the snooping.

The trick is to make the link enticing enough for someone or something to want to click on it. As part of a large-scale research project, I would suggest sending out a few hundred thousand messages using various tricks to find one that might work.

As Dave Farber notes: "It is not a good idea to try this if you hope to ever again fly on an American airline without first being strip-searched by the TSA monkeys."
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:07 PM
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1. hmmmm... so in order to find out if you're being spied on
you have to force them to spy on you? :shrug:

Just sayin'...

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 06:14 PM
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12. I'd Skip the Deliberately-Provocative Content...
...unless you like being hassled by the authorities.

The use of links to watch the watchers (by itself) may be useful for finding out if your mail is already being watched.

That assumes that they actually follow the link instead of either ignoring it, or accessing the data on the website by some other means.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 06:35 PM
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13. yeah, it was only a rhetorical question
:hi:

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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:40 PM
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22. Well, no
you are already being monitered anyway, but the trick is to get the agent/person that is doing the monitoring to try to spy on you even more. That is what gets registered.
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:13 PM
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2. Do you have a link to this information?
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:31 PM
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5. sure thing!
http://alabama-democrat.blogspot.com/

Sorry I didn't post it originally, I'm new at this... You know, one of those pain-in-the-a$$, ex-independent, born-again Democrats... That's one thing you can thank the presidential monkey master for; blessing (or cursing) your party with folks like me! Unlike you guys that have been plowing behind, feeding and nurturing that ole' mule all these years, we're ready to work! (just kidding, don't bash me so bad this time) LOL
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 09:21 AM
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27. No bashing -- indeed, I offer you a heartfelt Welcome to DU
:toast:

And to the original question: I'm afraid I'm probably personally responsible for the deaths of several people who were monitoring my email. My sources tell me they died of boredom.

Oh, and while I'm here... Hi, Agent Mike! Hope you had/are having a Happy/Merry/Blessed Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanzaa/Solstice/Holiday! (I do this every so often so he doesn't think we've forgotten him. That, and I figure a little judicious sucking-up can't hurt.)
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:21 PM
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30. thanks for the "welcome"
Okay, now, you guys heard Buns of Fire... It's safe for people who believe in God and the WHOLE Constitution, including the Second Amendment, to post at DU. Those sneaks are probably not dead, just comatose. They were lulled into sleep by the rhythm of tall goose-stepping boots before they read your email. Don't worry, you haven't killed anyone Buns... You've likely only pushed them deeper into their Bush-induced comma.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:20 PM
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3. Great methodology. Can cia expert, in cahoots with web provider, foil it?
AND your message doesn't have to be more radical or "interesting" than your common email content because if you are already interesting to the snooping cia types, they will chomp on the bait.
In fact, wouldn't it be smart to avoid drawing undue attention to yourself, above and beyond normal content?
This is a great project, and I just thought of another one. If your not a terrorist, and the cia is still snooping for political reasons, why not tie up as much of their time as it takes for them to finnally go to their superiors with the news of just how stupid the surveilance is.
I did that with a cop sitting in wait on our 25mph street, for a "speeder" or "runnig stops" at the stop sign, and with my comments, he never showed up again to bust neighbors who are running stop signs at all ahead slow instead of stopping dead.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:52 PM
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8. there you go!
Ask any heard on the prarie... there's safety in numbers and the predator gets tired when there's so many to chase. I want to clearly state, at this time, however, that the time and money I want to tie up isn't at the federal cop level. I want to see the Republicons (and that's no spelling error folks) tie up their time and money chasing the old tail!
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:27 PM
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4. Listen, if I set up a hotmail account
all it will get is big pecker ads.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:37 PM
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6. yeah....
They should target their demographic better with those ads and send them all to where they're needed: The White House... You know I think short power-hungry monsters like Hitler and Napoleon had inadequacy issues. By the way, I've been meaning to ask someone, "Did you notice how tall Kerry was compared to King George in those debates?
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:38 PM
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7. And I am willing to bet
he was better endowed, although evidently Cheney wins that contest.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:59 PM
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9. No
It was obvious he was better MENTALLY endowed but sill the presidential monkey master had a bigger bulge. It was on his back though... What kind of unnatural aberration was that, anyway?
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Now you know it has been PROVEN
THAT WAS HIS TAIL TUCKED UP THERE!

Right?
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 06:13 PM
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11. hmmm...
I just don't know... while I profess Christianity, I still don't think even Satan is low enough to compare with some Rep.o-man trained chimp act.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 09:18 PM
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19. Tail, my ass!
That bulge we see in photographs is a full colostomy bag unless you can prove otherwise. Prove me wrong, I double dare you! ;)
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:20 PM
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20. he's wearing it too high
I'm not really up on those colostomy bags but don't they wear them lower on the body? I guess maybe if you've got to attach them to the mouth wearing one that high would be reasonable.
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Ayesha Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 07:18 PM
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14. Homeland Security checked me out
I'm one of the owners of an anti-Bush t-shirt site, and last year we caught the Dept. of Homeland Security looking at our merchandise. I don't fly, but if I did I bet they'd be searching me extra carefully at the airport!

The complete story is posted here:

http://www.outspokenclothing.com/homelandsecurity.html
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 08:36 PM
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15. yep....
I bet those t-shirts would come in handy if they rip your clothing during a strip-search. That link looks good, I'll read it now... thanks for posting
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 09:02 PM
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16. RFID tags
tinfoil?: What if the government could get the shirt manufacturer to put hidden (in the tag) RFIDs in products like yours, Ayesa?
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 09:08 PM
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17. Here's a link to the "The Echelon Keyword Accumulated List"
basically the "flagged" words: http://www.jamechelon.org/keywords.htm
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 09:15 PM
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18. The site's timing out...will try later...
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:38 PM
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21. ???
what does "site timing out" mean?
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:48 PM
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24. exceeded bandwidth...
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 10:54 PM by BrotherBuzz
tomorrow is another day...

In the meantime, here's my partial list (I'll give a prize to the first
enteprising soul that uses all the words in one
sentence):

Waihopai, INFOSEC, Information Security, Information
Warfare, IW, IS, Priavacy, Information
Terrorism,Terrorism Defensive Information, Defense
Information Warfare, Offensive Information, Offensive
Information Warfare, National Information
Infrastructure, InfoSec, Reno, Compsec, Computer
Terrorism, Firewalls, Secure internet Connections,
ISS, Passwords, DefCon V, USSS, Defcon, Military,
White House, Undercover, NCCS, Mayfly, PGP, PEM, RSA,
Perl-RSA, MSNBC, bet, AOL, AOL TOS, CIS, CBOT, AIMSX,
STARLAN, 3B2, BITNET, COSMOS, DATTA, E911, FCIC,
HTCIA, IACIS, UT/RUS, JANET, JICC, ReMOB, LEETAC, UTU,
VNET, BRLO, BZ, CANSLO, CBNRC, CIDA, JAVA, Active X,
Compsec 97, LLC, DERA, Mavricks, Meta-hackers, ^?,
Steve Case, Tools, Telex, Military
Intelligence, Scully, Flame, Infowar, Bubba, Freeh,
Archives, Sundevil, jack, Investigation, ISACA, NCSA,
spook words, Verisign, Secure, ASIO, Lebed, ICE, NRO,
Lexis-Nexis, NSCT, SCIF, FLiR, Lacrosse, Flashbangs,
HRT, DIA, USCOI, CID, BOP, FINCEN, FLETC, NIJ, ACC,
AFSPC, BMDO, NAVWAN, NRL, RL, NAVWCWPNS, NSWC, USAFA,
AHPCRC, ARPA, LABLINK, USACIL, USCG, NRC, ~, CDC, DOE,
FMS, HPCC, NTIS, SEL, USCODE, CISE, SIRC, CIM, ISN,
DJC, SGC, UNCPCJ, CFC, DREO, CDA, DRA, SHAPE, SACLANT,
BECCA, DCJFTF, HALO, HAHO, FKS, 868, GCHQ, DITSA,SORT,
AMEMB, NSG, HIC, EDI, SAS, SBS, UDT, GOE, DOE, GEO,
Masuda, Forte, AT, GIGN, Exon Shell, CQB, CONUS, CTU,
RCMP, GRU, SASR, GSG-9, 22nd SAS, GEOS, EADA, BBE,
STEP, Echelon, Dictionary, MD2, MD4, MDA, MYK,
747,777, 767, MI5, 737, MI6, 757, Kh-11, Shayet-13,
SADMS, Spetznaz, Recce, 707, CIO, NOCS, Halcon,
Duress, RAID, Psyops, grom, D-11, SERT, VIP, ARC,
S.E.T. Team, MP5k, DREC, DEVGRP, DF, DSD, FDM, GRU,
LRTS, SIGDEV, NACSI, PSAC, PTT, RFI, SIGDASYS, TDM.
SUKLO, SUSLO, TELINT, TEXTA. ELF, LF, MF, VHF, UHF,
SHF, SASP, WANK, Colonel, domestic disruption,
smuggle, 15kg, nitrate, Pretoria, M-14, enigma,
Bletchley Park, Clandestine, nkvd, argus, afsatcom,
CQB, NVD, Counter Terrorism Security, Rapid Reaction,
Corporate Security, Police, sniper, PPS, ASIS, ASLET,
TSCM, Security Consulting, High
Security, Security Evaluation, ElectronicSurveillance,
MI-17, Counterterrorism, spies, eavesdropping,
debugging, interception, COCOT, rhost, rhosts, SETA,
Amherst, Broadside, Capricorn, Gamma, Gorizont, Guppy,
Ionosphere, Mole, Keyhole, Kilderkin, Artichoke,
Badger, Cornflower, Daisy, Egret, Iris, Hollyhock,
Jasmine, Juile, Vinnell, B.D.M.,Sphinx, Stephanie,
Reflection, Spoke, Talent, Trump,FX, FXR, IMF, POCSAG, Covert Video,Intiso, r00t, lock
picking, Beyond Hope, csystems, passwd, 2600
Magazine, Competitor, EO, Chan, Alouette, executive,
Event Security, Mace, Cap-Stun, stakeout, ninja,
ASIS, ISA, EOD, Oscor, Merlin, NTT, SL-1, Rolm, TIE,
Tie-fighter, PBX, SLI, NTT, MSCJ, MIT, 69, RIT, Time,
MSEE, Cable & Wireless, CSE, Embassy, ETA, Porno,
Fax, finks, Fax encryption, white noise, pink noise,
CRA, M.P.R.I., top secret, Mossberg, 50BMG, Macintosh
Security, Macintosh Internet Security, Macintosh
Firewalls, Unix Security, VIP
Protection, SIG, sweep, Medco, TRD, TDR, sweeping,
TELINT, Audiotel, Harvard, 1080H, SWS, Asset,
Satellite imagery, force, Cypherpunks, Coderpunks,
TRW, remailers, replay, redheads, RX-7, explicit,
FLAME, Pornstars, AVN, Playboy, Anonymous, Sex,
chaining, codes, Nuclear, 20, subversives, SLIP,
toad, fish, data havens, unix, c, a, b, d, the, Elvis,
quiche, DES, 1*, NATIA, NATOA, sneakers,
counterintelligence, industrial espionage, PI, TSCI,
industrial intelligence, H.N.P., Juiliett Class
Submarine, Locks, loch, Ingram Mac-10, sigvoice, ssa,
E.O.D., SEMTEX, penrep, racal,
OTP, OSS, Blowpipe, CCS, GSA, Kilo Class, squib,
primacord, RSP, Becker, Nerd, fangs, Austin,
Comirex, GPMG, Speakeasy, humint, GEODSS, SORO, M5,
ANC, zone, SBI, DSS, S.A.I.C., Minox, Keyhole, SAR,
Rand Corporation, Wackenhutt, EO, Wackendude, mol,
Hillal, GGL, CTU, botux, Virii, CCC, Blacklisted 411,
Internet Underground, XS4ALL, Retinal Fetish, Fetish,
Yobie, CTP, CATO, Phon-e, Chicago Posse, l0ck, spook
keywords, PLA, TDYC, W3, CUD, CdC, Weekly World News,
Zen, World Domination, Dead, GRU, M72750, Salsa,
7,Blowfish, Gorelick, Glock, Ft. Meade, press-release,
Indigo, wire transfer, e-cash,Bubba the Love Sponge,
Digicash, zip, SWAT, Ortega, PPP,
crypto-anarchy,AT&T, SGI, SUN, MCI, Blacknet,
Middleman, KLM, Blackbird, plutonium, Texas, jihad,
SDI, Uzi, Fort Meade, supercomputer, bullion, 3,
Blackmednet,Propaganda, ABC, Satellite phones,
Planet-1, cryptanalysis, nuclear, FBI, Panama,
fissionable, Sears Tower, NORAD, Delta Force, SEAL,
virtual, Dolch, secure shell, screws, Black-Ops,
Area51, SABC, basement, data-haven, black-bag,
TEMPSET, Goodwin, rebels, ID, MD5, IDEA, garbage,
market, beef, Stego, unclassified, utopia, orthodox,
Alica, SHA, Global, gorilla, Bob, Pseudonyms, MITM,
Gray Data, VLSI, mega, Leitrim, Yakima, Sugar Grove,
Cowboy, Gist, 8182, Gatt, Platform, 1911, Geraldton,
UKUSA, veggie, 3848, Morwenstow, Consul, Oratory, Pine
Gap, Menwith, Mantis, DSD, BVD, 1984, Flintlock,
cybercash, government, hate, speedbump, illuminati,
president, freedom, cocaine, $, Roswell, ESN, COS,
E.T., credit card, b9, fraud, assasinate, virus,
anarchy, rogue, mailbomb, 888, Chelsea, 1997,
Whitewater, MOD, York, plutonium, William Gates,
clone, BATF, SGDN, Nike, Atlas, Delta, TWA, Kiwi, PGP
2.6.2., PGP 5.0i, PGP 5.1, siliconpimp, Lynch, 414,
Face, Pixar, IRIDF, eternity server, Skytel, Yukon,
Templeton, LUK, Cohiba, Soros, Standford, niche, 51,
H&K, USP, ^, sardine, bank, EUB, USP, PCS, NRO, Red
Cell, Glock 26, snuffle, Patel,
package, ISI, INR, INS, IRS, GRU, RUOP, GSS, NSP,
SRI, Ronco, Armani, BOSS, Chobetsu, FBIS, BND, SISDE,
FSB, BfV, IB, froglegs, JITEM, SADF, advise, TUSA,
HoHoCon, SISMI, FIS, MSW, Spyderco, UOP, SSCI, NIMA,
MOIS, SVR, SIN, advisors, SAP, OAU, PFS, Aladdin,
chameleon man, Hutsul, CESID, Bess, rail gun, Peering,
17, 312, NB, CBM, CTP, Sardine, SBIRS, SGDN, ADIU,
DEADBEEF, IDP, IDF, Halibut, SONANGOL, Flu, &, Loin,
PGP 5.53, EG&G, AIEWS, AMW, WORM, MP5K-SD, 1071,
WINGS, cdi, DynCorp, UXO, Ti, THAAD, package, chosen,
PRIME, SURVIAC, UFO.

Oh, maybe we should throw in Shit, Fuck, and God Damn
in case they are sharing info with the FCC.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #24
25. okay
I can't quite fit all of these in a sentence and I think someone tossed a few in here to be silly. Come on; "Bubba the love sponge" can't be for real. If all of these words are triggers, there's going to be some red-state necks here in Bama in big trouble for emails. "Bubba the love sponge luvs eatin sardines whilst he's a-fishin at the crick an readin Playboy. I guess Mom was right when she caught me reading that mag as a kid; she said it would get me into trouble. I replied "I just read the articles."
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:26 AM
Response to Reply #25
26. James Dobson chose war with both Spongebob Square Pants and the...
Big Dawg - any connection there? "Disinformation, for sure", said the man wearing dark glasses and trench coat while he showered and the clock struck midnight.

Momma was always right, fortunately Playboy now has a Braille edition. Go figure.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #17
28. "Ronco" is a flagged word?
I always wondered why my Pocket Fisherman required a telephone connection...
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. Yeah
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 11:28 AM by Jeffersons Ghost
I always suspected eating foreign foods like Ronco Noodles and pizza would turn Americans into subversives and this proves it!
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mykpart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:44 PM
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23. I have nothing to hide. Spy away!
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