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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:29 PM Original message |
Battle over veil heats up in U.K. Teachers aide refuses to remove veil. |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. The standard in the US is "reasonable accommodation" |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. A veiled face does not belong in a public school. |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. How does a veil interfere or create an undue hardship on the school? |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Just as non-Muslim women are required to cover themselves |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Wrong. The US is not Saudi Arabia, and neither is the UK |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Tolerance has its limits. Should I tolerate people who want to |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
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Hatalles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Question |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. The following WHO document is illuminating. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
156. Truly incredible logic |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. Don't confuse them with logic |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #156 |
161. Oh, and I guess the Christians who do it are closet Muslims, right? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Deleted sub-thread |
JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
198. Not the same thing at all... 'not' wearing a veil holds no |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #198 |
246. Do women wear veils in Iran? |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
59. That's no different than forcing women to cover. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. A face veil may be inappropriate with some children |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. I'm sure the children can learn just fine without seeing her face |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Actually, that's not quite true |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Please provide evidence that veiled women are unable to teach |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. What part of sex segregated didn't you get? |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Still no evidence that veiled teachers are ineffective |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. What about handicapped students? |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Sounds like you are looking for any excuse to discriminate |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Deaf children are mainstreamed in virtually all classrooms today |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:42 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. If you go back to my first response on this article |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Or children with Aspergers, or blind children.... |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. I think you are using excuses about handicapped children |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. I think you ar using excuses about multiculturalism to build barriers |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. All of your posts oppose the right of this woman to teach in school |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. All of your posts disregard the needs of handicapped children |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. I granted your point that deaf lip-reading children and others |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Teachers are not bound to their classrooms |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Well, at least you recognize the rights of Muslims to be teachers |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. She got fired because she wasn't being an effective teacher! Her students |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #97 |
109. The kids were not handicapped. That was your manufactured reason |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:13 PM Response to Reply #109 |
118. Right, so no immigrant children are handicapped? |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #118 |
151. You are fabricating the issue of handicapped children |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #151 |
171. You have not answered any of my questions |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:39 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. Likewise |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
163. ....and it's always a mistake to try to teach a pig to sing. |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #163 |
167. That sounds like a children's book |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
189. No, that's wrong. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
191. Nothing like stating your opinion as if it were fact. |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #191 |
232. young children also need less barriers not more |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
204. Her imam, her Muslim MP and the UK Islamic orgs agree with you Warpy |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
207. Inappropriate for a teaching environment. |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 02:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
247. In fact I heard an interview |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
77. Just a picky point. |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. haha sure, he wants to see their "expressions" |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #80 |
96. self-delete |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 05:07 AM Response to Reply #80 |
181. Yes, he does |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. If I were a little kid, and she was an assistant in my class, |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Kids exposed to cultural diversity aren't afraid of the Other |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. The majority of Mulsim women don't wear veils. Veils have |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. It is her interpretation of Islamic requirements |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Great, but |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I didn't know that was in question |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. She's working with children. |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Provide evidence that the veil interferes with her teaching |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
48. Here's a twist: |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. Does nudity interfere with the function of the school? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. Her specific job is helping teach English to children for whom it is a 2nd |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #69 |
148. I think I have a pretty basic question on all of this... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 04:57 AM Response to Reply #148 |
180. A good question, to which the answer is becoming muddier |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 06:56 AM Response to Reply #180 |
183. No kidding.... |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-19-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #148 |
263. She did not wear it to the job interview |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:24 AM Response to Reply #56 |
184. Children learn through visual and audio clues |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #184 |
233. ITA, 100%. Thank you. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
201. For thousands of years India has been home to naked holy men |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Produce a definitive statement that Muslim women are required |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. The requirements are very vague. |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
63. Your interpretation of the Quran is irrelevant |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. I am opposed to teachers wearing it in school. Period. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:26 AM Response to Reply #63 |
185. It's not inherently her right in every circumstance to wear her veil |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
62. I don't care about defending the veil itself |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:27 AM Response to Reply #62 |
186. "What is your problem with a woman's choice?" |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
53. Interesting logic |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. A veiled face would be naturally intimidating to kids. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The article says she is willing to remove her veil in class. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. But she won't always be in her class |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
203. Do you mean the way brown kids shy away from yellow kids? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Children rely on non verbal communication |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Non-verbal communication is almost as important as cultural awareness |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
17. already a long thread going if anyone wants to check it out... |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 04:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. If you had a teacher who taught you why she held such values |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. But those values are religious values |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Your opinion of the what the veil represents is not the point |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Religious women of any belief are NOT excluded from teaching |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. You have no evidence that she is ineffective |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. I have. And the school has too. Clearly they believe her veil |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
86. In another article on this subject linked in one of the posts above, |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #71 |
87. Maybe if you wish really really hard |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. The students were complaining that she wasn't being an effective teacher |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Students suddenly complained after she was teaching for a year? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. I am not a teacher, I am a parent |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. My contortions? Pot kettle black! |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #101 |
113. Are you a teacher? A parent? |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:10 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. I am also a parent - of three girls |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:20 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. I don't think you understand school logistics |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:15 PM Response to Reply #122 |
149. She was suspended pending a review of complaints and her complaints |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 05:15 AM Response to Reply #95 |
182. Much less than a year |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
248. Interesting about her teaching for a year. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:25 AM Response to Reply #49 |
212. What the veil represents isn't hard to figure out. |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:51 AM Response to Reply #212 |
216. the same requirements aren't made of muslim men |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 03:34 AM Response to Reply #216 |
223. Psychodad, thanks for the input |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
206. Great post. You make an excellent point that the veil is the |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:47 PM Response to Reply #206 |
210. thanks! |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
25. When MEN wear a veil...... |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Unbelievable intolerance |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I find none of the things you mention |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Which of the above cover their face? That is the question here. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
165. Nuns and priests and letters of the alphabet |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:57 PM Response to Reply #165 |
168. Most of what you wrote was thought provoking |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #165 |
195. And, most nuns no longer wear traditional garb |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. Sounds like the same old anti-gay teacher crap. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
115. ... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:44 PM Response to Reply #115 |
175. Until I see the majority of Islamic men at the local library |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:51 PM Response to Reply #175 |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 10:44 AM Response to Reply #25 |
194. I actually agree with what you just wrote |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:53 AM Response to Reply #25 |
217. How about beards? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #217 |
227. Are you honestly trying to equate beards with face veils?? |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
31. My dog has a beautiful leash and he loves it dearly... |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Great post. I couldn't agree more that if God want women to |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. Your comparing women to dogs is offensive and sexist |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Same ole, same ole in this thread too, I see |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:50 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Yup, the other thead got too big and I can't open it anymore |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
144. I am not imposing my views on anyone... |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:24 PM Response to Reply #144 |
152. You need to work as hard on your comprehension as you do on your logorrhea |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:30 PM Response to Reply #152 |
164. Obviously, I must work harder on my comprehension... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #164 |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:39 PM Response to Reply #166 |
173. Up until it impacts the education of secular children in public schools. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:45 PM Response to Reply #173 |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 12:39 AM Response to Reply #166 |
178. That is entirely my point... |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 12:53 AM Response to Reply #178 |
179. A woman's choice is not her choice, I see |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
238. I thought mikelewis' post was great. An apt comparison. |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
50. If a Woman Choses to Wear One I Have no Problem (nt) |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. You would if your child read lips. nt |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Interesting Point.... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. I'm not pissed |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
154. Assuming that's their reason for firing her after a year on the job |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #154 |
200. Your continued insults and ad hominem attacks clearly show you |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #154 |
202. Then her imam, her Muslim MP, and the UK Islamic orgs are all bigots too |
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KitSileya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 03:11 AM Response to Reply #154 |
221. Per the timeline posted up-thread, |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 01:12 AM Response to Reply #61 |
219. According to the sister... |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #219 |
224. You find the arguments Kitselya makes against veil |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
60. Odd |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
93. Veils cover the entire face below the eyes. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #93 |
103. None of which is relevant for visiting a legislator's office |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #103 |
199. You make some interesting points concerning various scenarios.. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
140. what about people wearing ski masks? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:25 PM Response to Reply #140 |
153. One's covered by Free Exercise |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 03:23 AM Response to Reply #153 |
222. thought crime??? |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
64. 'religion' aside - how is this different than wearing a mask in public? |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. See Freedom of Religion |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. None of our "freedoms" are without qualifications.... |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. Good one! All men are created equal |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. well, this is going on in England so the US Constitution isn't moot |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Yup, its a performance issue, pure and simple nt |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. You have no evidence that her performance was deficient |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. you are absolutely right |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #91 |
102. I believe woman have the right to choose their religious beliefs |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. You can't marry 4 women either |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:11 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. Because you don't like what the veil represents to you |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:17 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. she has a right to her religion - that isn't the issue |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:22 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. The only issue would be if her expression prevents her from performing |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. right. that's the issue |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. As I understand it she only claims to need to cover her face when |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:35 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. not when she's teaching boys? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:43 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. Nope, boys aren't a problem. It's her male co-workers that are |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #137 |
236. Does anyone else find it a bit presumptive that this woman feels |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #132 |
141. Appparently boys are not an issue. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:38 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. Do you understand the logistics of a school day with young children? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #134 |
143. I think she could interact with most people. If not, the school can make |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:57 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. I think she has to interact with them ALL, equally. That's the case. |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:30 PM Response to Reply #134 |
170. Religious rights are dubious? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #108 |
121. Nothing progressive about separation of church and state? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #81 |
92. Her students were complaining that she wasn't being an effective teacher |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Her community is complaining that the decision is religious discrimination |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. This is going to court to get settled. She will lose. nt |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #98 |
110. Then why not find a fundamentalist board that shares your views |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:07 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. I am not a fundamentalist for supporting a woman's right to choose |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:15 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. you can choose to be Mormon but you can't marry more than one woman |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:23 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. No, but reasonable accomodation is called for, and religious |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. It doesn't have anything to do with the woman's religion |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. And that is an expression of her religious belief. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:38 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. Religious belief doesn't give you automatic license to do anything |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #135 |
138. No one said it gives license to do anything. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. well that IS the question isn't it. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:56 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. Whether you think it's creepy or not isn't really relevant to whether or |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:07 PM Response to Reply #145 |
147. didn't say it was |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #145 |
209. Wearing a veil is like wearing a religious billboard. It screams |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 01:13 AM Response to Reply #125 |
220. So if I wear a mask into a bank.. |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #220 |
237. Touche! |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
82. How is that different to a teacher with a facial disfigurement? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. This isn't about opposing "diversity", it's about religious gear that |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. How does it impede effective teaching? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #94 |
106. I imagine that a facial disfigurement would be evaluated individually |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:37 PM Response to Reply #106 |
133. I see, and I'll have to agree with you on this one based on the new info |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:41 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. what's the real story? |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:50 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. I don't know |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #94 |
126. Isn't it obvious? |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:50 PM Response to Reply #126 |
158. Comparing Islam to the Klan says more about you than anything else |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #158 |
169. Wearing a mask in western culture means that you are |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. Your opinion about other people's religious belief is fascinating |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #158 |
208. Odd how Muslims with an agenda are sooooo ardent about |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #88 |
105. It's about finding excuses to exclude religious Muslims from public life |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:30 AM Response to Reply #105 |
187. Oh brother -- no, it isn't |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 01:01 AM Response to Reply #105 |
218. And that's how many muslims see it. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #218 |
225. Except of course that her imam, Muslim MP, and UK Islamic orgs |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-19-06 01:47 AM Response to Reply #225 |
257. I suspect that her Iman, Muslim Mp, et al... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #218 |
239. I have to ask... |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-19-06 02:05 AM Response to Reply #239 |
258. You are right. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-19-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #258 |
260. I agree with much of what you say |
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Chomp (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
83. Less theocracy, not more. Please. nt |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #83 |
99. More freedom of choice; Less intolerance of others |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
104. The Koran does NOT require women to cover their faces |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #104 |
111. Yes, it is a cultural variation in religious interpretation |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:21 PM Response to Reply #111 |
123. Catholics haven't been required to eat fish on Friday (actually, it was |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:18 PM Response to Reply #123 |
150. You are denying that this woman has a right to make her own decisions |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #150 |
155. No, but the significant fact to me is that she |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. If true, there are many other potential reasons |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #155 |
197. Agreed |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #150 |
234. Sure, but no one has a right to a job. |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
112. Man, WHERE have you all been? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #112 |
127. I think the thread got to big for people with dial up |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
160. This is one hot topic! |
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Nolo_Contendre (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-16-06 10:11 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. The veil symbolizes the contested role of women |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:31 AM Response to Reply #162 |
188. bwwwahhhhh |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
190. Empire has consequences. |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
192. Nice to see all my posts deleted from this thread |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 09:46 AM Response to Reply #192 |
193. Sorry you were silenced. |
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hsher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:09 PM Response to Reply #193 |
229. I got "silenced" last night too |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
196. Why didn't she wear the veil to the interview? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
205. Lose the veil, lady. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-17-06 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
211. I'd like to know.... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #211 |
228. Freedom of religion does, however, call for reasonable |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #228 |
230. yes, and ... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #230 |
231. But by definition reasonable accomodation does precisely |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #231 |
241. "Being religious" doesn't equal "above the law" |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 01:19 PM Response to Reply #241 |
242. Indeed. No one has suggested that it does. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #241 |
243. More on Religious Accomodation |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #243 |
245. good info |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #245 |
249. My answers |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
213. The real disappointment here... |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:37 AM Response to Reply #213 |
214. yep, and according to some.... |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #214 |
215. Yes, It's primarily cultural.... |
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hsher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
226. She will probably end up teaching in a Muslim school |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
235. How is this demanded "right" different from fundie pharmacists |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #235 |
240. The question would be if this in fact prevents her from |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 02:32 PM Response to Reply #240 |
244. Non verbal expression is one of the most significant |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #244 |
250. People are allowed to thumb their nose at affiliation. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #250 |
251. What happened to the notion that Islam is a religion of peace? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #251 |
252. That's a theological, not a legal, question. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #252 |
253. Government is not the solution. Muslims have to decide which is |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #253 |
254. I think we're talking about a few different things here. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #254 |
255. Firstly this is not a "PR" issue, its much deeper. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-18-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #255 |
256. But, again, it is a legal issue. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-19-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #256 |
265. Why is it that Muslims living in the West claiming the choosing to wear |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-19-06 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
259. Just announced: Mixed Result For Teacher |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-19-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #259 |
261. So she wasn't discriminated against, but the school didn't follow protocol |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-19-06 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
262. Case, sort of, settled |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-19-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #262 |
264. Thanks for posting the article. A very worthwhile read. |
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